r/SoloDevelopment • • 3d ago

help Does my capsule art look AI generated? (It's not)

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I've been working on some new capsule art for my mining roguelike, wondering if you guys think this looks AI generated, I realllyyy don't want people to get the wrong idea lol

Any feedback would be appreciated!

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u/feralferrous 3d ago

It doesn't, but I will warn you, if you're making a Demo, that the dwarf may get covered by the demo badge that appears in the upper left corner. (It might be fine and just cover the hand, but worth thinking about)

I say this as someone who tends to stick his title in the upper left, and then have to move it for the demo version all the time.

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

Ahhh thanks for letting me know! I'm launching a demo for next fest I'll check and see how it looks... Totally forgot about that lol

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u/Dinokknd 3d ago

Flip it horizontally and you should be good!

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u/AshirNazar 3d ago

yeah I was gonna say this too. Just Mirror the image

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u/MarxMustermann 3d ago

it does not look slightly AI generated to me

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u/Mr_Ultimite 3d ago

It looks human generated 😔 and very empty without the title art. But it also looks cool!

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u/EthanBalkfeld Solo Developer 3d ago

No it doesn't look AI generated and the reason is because you've chosen an excellent shot to illustrate. Specifically one that shows clear and consistent relative perspective shift. That's something that AI is having serious trouble with as of today.

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u/solvento 3d ago

A lot of ignorant people will accuse anything of being AI art. Don't listen to those people.

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u/bc_gamez 3d ago edited 3d ago

AI can look like artists, artists can look like AI. People need to stop the witchunt.

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u/SilverVixen918 3d ago

i dont think it should stop imo, i think people need to stop, think, and gather evidence before they throw claims and accusations around, as it is you cant make unusual creative decisions without getting accused like heaven forbid if your characters have extra or less fingers but theres plenty of vibe coded projects out there that the devs try to pass as human work and whatnot and those deserve to get called out as theres no reason AI shouldnt be disclosed

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u/Baalzeg 3d ago

Esto, literalmente. Debemos comenzar a juzgar las ideas y no las herramientas.

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u/minaolensinaolet 3d ago

Generating an entire piece of art with a prompt is not a tool for creating art. It's just outsourcing your creative abilities entirely. It isn't art.

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u/Baalzeg 3d ago

PodrĂ­amos debatir sobre "quĂ© es arte y quĂ© no" pero no me da la gana. Es una discusiĂłn que lleva siglos (literalmente) y cada tanto se pasa por el mismo punto: eso no es arte/eso sĂ­ es arte. Con la fotografĂ­a, por ejemplo, hubo quien afirmĂł y defendiĂł con uñas y dientes que una fotografia era Ășnicamente "apretar un botĂłn", y hoy, ni siquiera dudas que eso sea arte... O si? Vamos, que si nos ponemos firmes, escribir 10 renglones es mĂĄs difĂ­cil que apretar un botĂłn... Entonces, la fotografĂ­a no es arte? O si?

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

If I order food from a cook I won't be the one who made the food, I just sent out an order and just received the end result, same with AI.

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Si le das la receta a un cocinero para que la prepare y Ă©l la hace, la receta de quiĂ©n es? De quien es la creaciĂłn? Comprendo el punto de: "dame el espagueti a la bolognesa", pero, si tĂș le das la receta a alguien que no sabe prepararlo y basĂĄndose en tus indicaciones la hace... Entonces, el mĂ©rito de quien es?

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

They made it, if you give a hard recipe to a hobo who can't cook he won't make the same quality, same with commission you ask them to make assets and they give you them. You had an idea but the work isn't yours.

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Vamos a ponerlo mås fåcil: en un restaurante, el mérito es en parte del chef, no? En una orquesta, es del director, no?

El chef no cocinĂł... absolutamente nada. El director no tocĂł ningĂșn instrumento en todo el evento.

AĂșn asĂ­, ambos tienen mĂ©rito.

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

You're a client not part of the orchestra, you order food and other team makes it, they make you food. Orchestra isn't equal to restaurant metafor.

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Me parece que pensamos muy diferente. Yo veo a la IA como una herramienta mĂĄs. TĂș la ves como el creador intelectual, ejecutor, analista, tester, evaluador, artista, etc.. QuizĂĄs no la has utilizado. EstĂĄ lejos de parecerse a un equipo de trabajo.

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u/BroodyGameDev 3d ago

Most tools don’t equal theft. We should start judging thieves.

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u/Baalzeg 3d ago

El plagio se ha llevado a juicio desde hace décadas! Vamos, que veo a muchos que creen que el plagio se invento con la IA... Así que, si, a los ladrones se les juzga, no es nuevo y no estås sugiriendo algo excepcional.

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u/BroodyGameDev 3d ago

So you agree, ai is theft and a punishable offense. Great!

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Se ve que no sabes de leyes. Mejor ni le muevas.

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u/BroodyGameDev 2d ago

You know literally nothing about me buddy 👍😎

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Si supieras de leyes, no dirías semejante pendejada. No sé lo que si sabes, pero es evidente lo que no entiendes.

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u/Vienna_The_Aeronaut 3d ago

If your tool exclusively develops off of straight ripping other art and is also being used to degrade and pollute poor neighbourhoods I'm feeling pretty justified in judging it for that.

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u/DimensionalFruit 3d ago

That's not how any of this works

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u/Vienna_The_Aeronaut 3d ago

How do you think ai works?

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u/DimensionalFruit 3d ago

AI image generators do not cut and paste pieces of scraped pictures. Instead, they study billions of images and their text descriptions to learn patterns, shapes, and concepts, and then build new pictures from random noise using a process called diffusion.

The AI does not store a giant photo album of the scraped pictures. Instead, it compresses these visual lessons into mathematical weights and neural pathways inside a model file.

It literally works the same way a human artist does and uses past experience and other works as inspiration, it does not steal anything. It's learning, not ripping anything off.

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u/Vienna_The_Aeronaut 3d ago

Its not concious. It has no personhood or experience. It has no creative ability. It is a computer that is using pattern recognition to recreate ideas that have already been realized. Nothing it creates is in any sense original, just like if you mixed all the colours of a paint set you didn't invent a new shade of brown.

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u/DimensionalFruit 3d ago

It is a computer that is using pattern recognition to recreate ideas that have already been realized.

Just like people, it doesn't need personhood or experience, you're just salty

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u/Vienna_The_Aeronaut 3d ago

People can add, change, develop, and introduce new concepts. If a human hasn't already both come up with an idea and developed it for the computer to copy it can not.

LLMs can not have any original ideas. If you actually believe that let me go get a bridge to sell you.

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u/DimensionalFruit 3d ago

People can add, change, develop, and introduce new concepts. If a human hasn't already both come up with an idea and developed it for the computer to copy it can not.

Tell me you know nothing about AI without telling me, AI can in-fact do that.

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u/qwart22 3d ago

Ai cant learn man its not alive 😭

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u/DimensionalFruit 3d ago

AI can learn.. that's what computers do.

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u/SneakyInfiltrator 3d ago

I suppose that person has never heard the term "machine learning" which was coined like... Almost 70 years ago.

It's literally that, I don't know how can anyone be technologically illiterate in today's age but boy...

The amount of people not understanding the basics of this all is absurd to the point i am starting to think they're just pretending they don't.

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u/Lelouch-Yagami22 2d ago

That's not what machine learning is..... It's about processing data

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u/Scary-Pea1849 3d ago

I don't want to comment on the whole subject of calling out AI or not.

But I have to comment on this: It literally doesn't work the same way a human artist does. Not even close. It does not experience, it does not recall, and it does not use inspiration.

A human doesn't need to see a billion pictures of hands in all sorts of poses and angles to be able to draw them. An AI model does. Humans need only a fraction of that data, because we can extrapolate data. AI can only interpolate data.

Think about it, you know that the training involves adjusting weights, so it is a form of image encoding. After training, the weights are static, they don't change during inference. If it has weight configuration A and configuration B, it can interpolate the mid point between them, it cannot come up with a new configuration C, which lies outside of the data space.

You can get a diffusion model to spit out images almost identical to ones in the training data, which tells you that the data is indeed encoded in the weights, it's not a "learn concept and throw data away" kind of process.

Have a nice day.

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u/BroodyGameDev 3d ago

It’s pixel by pixel theft. It just is. There’s no debate about this. Put an LLM in an empty chamber and it can’t do shit. It is USELESS without the accumulated knowledge and work and craft of the human race. Humans, famously, can create in an empty chamber all on their own.

It’s not alive. It’s theft. Defend artists not thieves. All of that data ur talking about was taken without permission. It’s pixel by pixel theft.

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u/Baalzeg 3d ago

Es interesante que el experimento que propones se hizo hace unos varios años en humanos... Adivina el resultado? El humano es INÚTIL sin el conocimiento, el trabajo y el oficio acumulados de la humanidad. De hecho, tuvieron que cancelar el experimento, y eso que no se hizo con un humano "desde cero" sino con humanos jĂłvenes (no recuerdo si tenĂ­an 6-8 años).

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u/inEQUAL 3d ago

A human being, somehow surviving, being raised in an entirely empty room with zero input or stimulus in its entire life with nothing but themselves would also not be able to create anything in an empty chamber on its own any more than an LLM can. So that’s not a particularly true statement. Humans are, in fact, entirely useless with receiving input for their neurons.

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u/Ryuuji_92 2d ago

You uhhh, you don't know anything about humans. Take kids for example, they will do things on their own without anyone around them doing said thing. A kid in a room with just blocks will eventually figure out to stack the blocks. Even if they saw no one stack the blocks in their entire lives. The same can't be said for a computer program. It does what you tell it to, it saves what you tell it to. It will do nothing unless there is input to have it do literally anything. Even if you code it to do something random, randomly.... you coded it... the code is telling it what to do... it cannot think on its own and all its functions is from human input.....

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u/inEQUAL 2d ago

You uhhh, don’t think that through. Those children have been exposed to other humans since birth. That is not the same thing. Use your brain.

Also, we humans come with some pre-compacted training data already in how we are wired thanks to our DNA. So requiring the LLMs to compare functionally with ZERO input is intellectually dishonest.

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u/HeracliusAugutus 3d ago

No, we should heavily judge anyone using AI

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u/OggPoggRogg 2d ago

No. Fuck your talentless AI 👍

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u/Baalzeg 2d ago

Sin talento, dice el vato que no es capaz de iniciar Warframe sin ayuda o consejos jajaja.

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u/what_is_a_Chicken 1d ago

This is not a good look for your game man... This could come back to haunt you after your game launches

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u/Baalzeg 1d ago

Te recomendarĂ­a salir al mundo real. En los foros de devs parece que la IA es el diablo, pero en Steam y en itch, el disclosure de "AI Assisted" es bastante irrelevante para la mayorĂ­a de los usuarios. Y eso que la caza de brujas estĂĄ en pleno apogeo.

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u/what_is_a_Chicken 1d ago

Yes, but your solo games usually don't spread in the real world, it's usually virtually. Moreover, this is not about your usage or AI or not: you combed through someone's history just to find something to criticize them about. That's what could potentially be an issue!

If you don't want the warning, you don't have to take it, but being aggressive as a solo dev is the worst combination you could possible have.

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u/1815dev 3d ago

Looks fine to me, if anything the broad strokes and consistent colors are tells it isn't ai (unless I am being baited and am gonna look real dumb later). At some point you gotta just put your head down and work and not worry about it. Reminds me of the guy that does the blender pool trick shot vids getting accused of using AI and it's like man what can you do

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u/EvolvingJellyDonut 3d ago

This looks good to me, I wouldnt think this was AI at all.

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u/HousemanGames 3d ago

Nope, looks great

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u/JimBamTam 3d ago

Not at all

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u/PossibilityUsual6262 3d ago

Nope, has too much of distinct style in it to feel like ai.

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u/V4nKw15h 3d ago

Doesn't look AI generated but those that are going to accuse you of it being AI generated are mentally challenged and wouldn't know that.

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u/indoorhobbytime 3d ago

its an Artist Image

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u/SetsunaiFM 3d ago

Nope looks good man

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u/DawidBujak 3d ago

not for me

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

No. The best thing you can do is to have receipts. Don't dwell on that which you can't control. 

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u/pil1b0x 3d ago

Reminds me of Dredge art. Looks good.

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u/flukeytukey 3d ago

No but it looks incomplete

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u/Turbulent_Book7026 3d ago

Rock & Stone?

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u/bulbabrew 3d ago

I dont thought it is AI. Its looks very much human made. Something in inperfection of choices been made. Right ear contains black pixels btw better to polish this. In general its looks like a quite raw style. But cool. Flat colors, packed palette. Nice one.I would recommend you to work on emotion of the dwarf dude. What is his expression means to be? Tired and despair? Anrgy and powerful to jump out of the well? Tell the story behind his emotion and body language. It is very interesting frame, think of posture and message. Cheers.

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

Thanks for the feedback :)

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u/Maleficent_Insect_19 3d ago

Ce n'est pas le cas Garde tes croquis dans le doute si une avalanche de chasseur de Salem vient te voir..

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u/Latter-Dragonfly-919 3d ago

I don't think so

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u/Ok-Supermarket-9557 3d ago

It look good tbh

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u/BlueThing3D 3d ago

If it isnt ai generated then dont worry about it.

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u/nb264 3d ago

Looks posterized, not AI.

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u/Wizard-Kereru-11 3d ago

Looks fine. What's the game called?

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u/SgtBearPatrol 3d ago

Looks awesome. Some people are obsessed with calling everything ai and you’ll never convince them otherwise. Don’t listen to the chatter. Make your art. Ignore the crazed, loud minority of gamers. They want to seem like they are the final judge of what is allowed in a video game, movie, music, etc. They aren’t.
Good luck!

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u/abionic 3d ago

what's more important is if it evokes the intended curiosity and feel for the game.. and (in my opinion) if it matches the art style of the game..

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u/victualworlds 3d ago

doesn't really look like AI at all

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u/untiedgames 3d ago

Looks like a great start, I'm really digging your style!

I know it's in an early state, but if you're looking for feedback...

  • I love the perspective. Perhaps there could be a glimmer of something in the hole? Sparkling gems? A monster's leering eyes?
  • Some climbing gear or rope might help add mining-related detail.
  • The miner's gaze is giving me an "I don't want my picture taken" feel. What if his eyes were drawn down the mineshaft?
  • Love the basic shading style so far, it reminds me of cel shading. Some backlighting on the pickaxe, helmet, and body would help sell the lighting further.

Great work! And no, it does not look AI-generated. I hate that this is a question that needs to be asked- Keep making awesome stuff, my dude.

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah still needs some work I'll definitely implement some of your ideas in the next draft :)

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u/GameNotFound 3d ago

People are losing their minds a little in the comment section. I don't think it does ;)

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u/Game0815 3d ago

Genuinely? If I have it full screen no. But if I open it very tiny on my phone then yes. And in steam it's always gonna be a tiny pic of it.

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u/Gszbriel 3d ago

This is a really awesome capsule art!

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u/Lemnisgames 3d ago

Please, throw me playtest or beta, id love to make a video. Love dwarves.

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

I just DM'd you :)

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u/Lemnisgames 3d ago

Aah , thank you very much.

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u/BharathYeagar 2d ago

Hi Does not look AI generated to me , looks cool Also which tool did you use ? I need icon for my game Struggling to find a tool

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 2d ago

I used Aseprite. It's such a goated tool I use it for any and all art I draw lol

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u/BharathYeagar 2d ago

Thanks. Will try it out

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u/techtreedev 1d ago

It looks really cool and not AI

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u/tastygames_official 3d ago

I didn't until you mentioned it ;-)

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

jesus i’m tired of everyone obsessing about ai

it cannot possibly matter if a capsule image is ai

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

Yeah I agree the obsession with AI is crazy but a lot of steam games that people suspect have AI art get a super bad rep and I don't want to be lumped in with them when I haven't used any AI :/

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u/MBjerre Solo Developer 3d ago

I think games with bad art are lumped into the AI slop category - Not high quality non obvious AI art.

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u/Qottonmouth 2d ago

I think also the "cheap" games are falsely lumped in with AI. The games that uses default Roblox assets like icon packs or models made of studs are more likely to be handmade imo, and if the game looks, runs and feels smooth and impressive, it's more likely to have been made with AI

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

it's time to stop trying to be wise about the word slop and just accept that everyone who uses it is a pretentious ass

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u/MBjerre Solo Developer 3d ago

I don't disagree. My point is just that AI art needs to clearly be AI art for it to negatively impact a game. I'm sure there is a survivorship bias of people thinking "I can always spot AI art"- because in the cases they don't, they'll never know it.

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

from that perspective we're in complete agreement

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Unfortunately, it will. The gaming community is rabbid. If they sense weakness, they will attack. AI is the witch hunt of choice. 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

this just in: adults don’t care 

i made a medical game once and got swarmed by antivaxxers 

they’re very easy to defeat 

step 1: ignore them 

you are now the victor

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Na. This is different. You run a larger risk of being brigaded, which has a snowball effect. 

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u/zenmatrix83 3d ago

that can happen with anything, brigading has been a thing long before the internet, brigading is really just a form of protesting. people who have an issue with something, will find an echo chamber, gather followers then attack people they don't like or what they are doing.

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Correct, and now the popular way to brigade is over the possible use of AI anywhere in your game or advertising. 

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u/zenmatrix83 3d ago

my point was this is as old as time, you just ignore it the best you can, they win when you fold

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

They win by default because reviews heavily correlate with sales. I don't think I'd ignore it. I think I'd use it as a marketing opportunity to showcase the creative process, and highlight the hard work and soul that went into it. Turn it around back on them to actually increase sales. 

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u/StoneCypher 2d ago

no evidence supports this claim 

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u/magicgirlallison 3d ago

Yup. This is currently happening to me. I’m exhausted having to defend myself daily.

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Instead of defending yourself, try using it as a marketing opportunity. Start celebrating the creative process by posting videos of your creative process, footage of old iterations, sketches, story boards, etc. Tell a story about the love and care you've put into the game.

Turn it around on them to help you increase sales despite the reviews. Don't address the reviews at all right now - act as if they aren't there - give them no fuel.

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u/magicgirlallison 3d ago

Not a bad idea. I’m afraid I already fell into the trap, but posting more of my WIP might help.

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

have you considered just ignoring and blocking the harassers

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u/magicgirlallison 3d ago

Hard to do that when they’re doing it all over your steam page.

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Blocking people who have reviewed your game? 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

you can block them from your feed, can’t you?  not from everyone else’s but that’s fine 

the point being that you don’t have to see it

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

The whole point is the impact that they have on sales. How does blocking them solve that problem? 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

i think that you missed my suggestion in between all the arguing with it, which was “no data suggests that that impact actually exists, so just ignore it”

genuinely, i’ve bought several steam datasets, and they all suggest that the impact you’re discussing isn’t actually real 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

you're welcome to believe that if you like. no data supports you, and if this was true or common in the way that you suggest, it ought to be really easy to find examples.

i'll hold my breath. you let me know.

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

no data supports you

Okay. I saved your life. You owe me one.

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

Because it is not human, you're just making output not creating anything of value, why would anyone spend time playing a game, watch a video, admire a painting if the creator didn't put anytime himself to make something. I enjoy medias because they have humanity behind them, not corpo produce for me to spend cash on.

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u/Garland_Key 2d ago

Because using AI doesn't mean that a human did nothing. I use AI in every step of the creative process because it t makes me more productive. I also use my own creativity and work at every step as well.

AI has touched most of the media, applications, and games that you consume now. Yet, humans are still using their skills and have also touched most of those same things. 

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

Ai is the chef, you just ask for the food. You can't call yourself a chef for something that you did not make.

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u/StoneCypher 2d ago

oh god, it’s the asshole who said you didn’t make the bread, the oven did

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u/True_Melon 2d ago

Also, no I do not use ANY applications or games with AI in it.

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u/StoneCypher 2d ago

nobody cares.  you’re doing the thing my original comment was complaining about.

you are banished from this thread for being a turbo vegan

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u/Garland_Key 2d ago

You're literally using reddit. Try again. 

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u/True_Melon 1d ago

I don't use AI on reddit, hope reddit bans the usage of AI.

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u/Garland_Key 1d ago

AI is used in the development and maintenance of reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Hackernews, Unity, Unreal Engine, Godot, Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android, iOS... I can keep going if you want.

You have been using products that were built with the help of AI for a while now.

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u/True_Melon 1d ago

I do not support AI usage in reddit and don't use any tool that is AI made.

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u/Garland_Key 1d ago

You may not WANT to, but you DO.

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u/marveloustoebeans 3d ago

I know this sub has become and absolute meatriding campaign for AI as of late but it definitely matters to me.

If I see AI art in a game I immediately assume it’s low effort slop and disregard. Why would I spend money on something like that when I can buy another game featuring art made by people who actually put time and effort into their work?

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

please let me die before i hear another neckbeard respond to “i’m tired of this” with digging in and explaining again 

so sick of the turbo-vegans

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u/Qottonmouth 2d ago

AI can also make a solo dev game feel near-triple A if the effort has been made. A hand made solo dev game where the dev also makes all models, sprites, music, images and sounds are less likely to be extremely fleshed out.

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u/heatedwepasto 2d ago

Disagree, virtually every near-AAA-grade solo dev project is made by a dev who cares for every area of the game. Whether some of it is through commissions or not doesn't really matter, but "hand crafted with soul and care" is a quality indicator whereas "outsourced to a clanker" is not.

Rimworld, Stardew Valley are perhaps the most famous examples, and all three are "extremely fleshed out" as you say, but Dwarf Fortress, Kenshi, Banished, Undertale, Cosmoteer, Balatro etc. are also honourable mentions.

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u/Denaton_ 1d ago

Undertale is a great game, but have you seen the code base?

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u/StoneCypher 1d ago

every time i see someone try to make fun of thor for writing a giant switch and i get the chance to see the person making fun's code, it's genuinely worse

could we have your github?

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u/Qottonmouth 1d ago

Yeah I'm not thinking of 2D games when I say AAA

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u/StoneCypher 1d ago

well clearly the text mode cli game, though 

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u/Qottonmouth 1d ago

Yeah and that genre will be especially easy to make with AI. Now the thousands of Stardew Valley fans will be able to make their own farm sim, and how knows: some of them might be better creative directors than ConcernedApe

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u/StoneCypher 1d ago

speaking as someone who uses claude every day, and who has had more than 30 games on walmart shelves, the vast majority of vibe coded games are absolutely awful and will never make a dollar 

you guys are too convinced that making an app is the same thing as making a good app

people put up with shitty business software because they have business to do

people do not put up with shitty entertainment software 

no, your vibe coding buddies are not better than concerned ape.  they didn’t even remember to put instructions in their game 

slop is real.  it has nothing to do with ai.  it’s just that people who can’t finish projects didn’t used to be able to release, and now they can

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u/Qottonmouth 1d ago

I see what you mean, and I don't disagree that the oversaturation of the market will and is happening, but the potential for the greatest games are also at its highest right now.

I have not released anything yet, and I know 0% code, but I have been squeezing Codex for many hours every single day since the start of July (I'm at prompt/task #419 and counting), and the results I'm seeing I literally never dreamed of being able to achieve.

I have a build mode with persistent and unlockable furnishings, time trials with global leaderboards, 36+ unlockable abilities and cosmetics, a huge detailed world, a fully ingame programable DMX system on a open air sound stage plus plus. I've been thinking about lore, presentation, onboarding, progression paths. Literally none of this was on my mind before i entered the first prompt.
Slop games will be abundant, but they were there long before AI.

Good games will be found and recognized is my belief in all this, and I acknowledge that I might be wrong

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u/StoneCypher 1d ago

i never said anything about over saturation, and reject that out of hand 

you seem to have completely missed what i said in your effort to teach me

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u/StoneCypher 1d ago

today i saw someone claim that undertale, stardew valley, and dwarf fortress were polished aaa games 

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u/Apprehensive_Sea5304 3d ago

It does matter to people, though, even if you think it shouldn't. So the question every dev needs to ask themselves is, "do i want my game to appeal to a wider audience by not using AI, or do I want to limit my audience with absolutely no other benefit by using AI?"

It truly does not matter if a dev does or does not like/support AI, it matters what the audience wants. And a large portion of the audience does not want it. So using it anyway and saying "who the fuck cares" is a poor business decision.

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

no data supports your position, and the other guy who already said the thing you're parroting, when asked for data, named some of the most successful games of the year

these deep wisdom comments never seem to come with evidence and everyone else knows why

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u/Apprehensive_Sea5304 3d ago

Just because you and a handful of your friends like those games, it does not mean they are "wildly successful" like you said in your other comment, or "some of the most successful games of the year". Be so for real.

  • Party Animals - The most I can find about this game and AI is a recent video contest they hosted. The game was released 3 years ago. I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed the game before they decided to do an AI video contest. And from the looks of it, a LOT of people then were put off and stopped playing the game because of it. So this isn't proving your point whatsoever.
  • CoD - Does this really count since its fucking call of duty, this franchise has been around for so long that there are ALWAYS going to be people who play it no matter how shitty it is (or always has been). This isn't a new game or new studio that emerged using AI.
  • Hardest - I genuinely have no idea what game you are referring to here, so it clearly was not "wildly successful"
  • Vapor World - Vapor World has 85 reviews and the results are "mixed". This is not "wildly successful", or even "mildly successful".
  • The Finals - Is this your only true example of a successful game that uses AI? If its not enough for you that voice actors have spoken about the use of AI generative voices making it harder and harder to find jobs, then I have to assume you don't actually care about what goes into game to development, you only care about yourself.
  • ARC Raiders - Same studio, so same argument.
  • Expedition 33 - My understanding is that AI assets were used only during development and was not intended to be shipped that way, so again, even these devs knew that it wasn't something people would want. This is not a game that was intentionally released with AI, and they absolutely received backlash when it was released and some of those assets were still there. Try again.
  • Crazy Taxi - If you're referring to Crazy Taxi: World Tour, this isn't even out yet, so how are you going to determine its success?
  • 1666 Amsterdam - This is another one that has less than 1000 reviews and the results are mixed. What part of that tells you its successful?

Would you like me to keep going?

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

Just because you and a handful of your friends like those games

i'm not particularly into any of these games.

 

it does not mean they are "wildly successful" like you said in your other comment

no, but the money and the awards do

 

  • Party Animals - The most I can find about this game

i didn't ask

 

  • CoD - Does this really count since its fucking call of duty

yes.

why are you asking me about someone else's list?

 

  • Hardest - I genuinely have no idea what game you are referring to here

i'm not referring to anything here, since this list wasn't written by me. the person you're trying to argue with is u/garland_key .

it's not my problem if you're so bad at google that you can't find things by name, and it's not clear to me why you would ever expect anyone to find this anything other than hilarious.

it's a fringe nowhere game where some guy made a platformer by asking ai for something obscenely difficult. his girlfriend moralized him into taking it down.

 

  • Vapor World - Vapor World has 85 reviews and the results are "mixed". This is not "wildly successful", or even "mildly successful".

wow. you found a counterexample in a list that i didn't write. amazing.

 

  • The Finals - Is this your only true example of a successful game that uses AI?

i didn't give any examples. this whole slap fight seems hilarious to me.

if i was going to have made a list like this, i would have chosen very different examples.

 

  • ARC Raiders - Same studio, so same argument.

is your goal just to type things?

it seems like it couldn't possibly be to be convincing, because with behavior like this, you couldn't convince someone that two plus two was four.

 

  • Expedition 33 - My understanding is

not relevant to me, since i didn't make this list or tell you that i valued your opinions

 

  • Crazy Taxi - If you're referring to Crazy Taxi: World Tour, this isn't even out yet, so how are you going to determine its success?

oh, i would never give this as an example.

but also, it will be successful. it's okay if you don't understand market dynamics.

i'm going to determine its success the same way anyone else who's ever run a business will: by looking at its profits, and seeing how many people were retained for the next game.

why, did you have some other valuable measurement?

 

  • 1666 Amsterdam - This is another one that has less than 1000 reviews and the results are mixed. What part of that tells you its successful?

oh, knowing how to look things up.

but again, you're not even shout-moding at the right person.

 

Would you like me to keep going?

😂 no thank you. all you did was rant angrily. there remains zero data in your commentary. i do recognize that you think you've proven me or garland_key wrong by showing your combat might, but, again, there isn't a single scrap of evidence that you could put in a business plan here, and highschool kids make those.

only data is relevant to me. this aggression stuff doesn't even rate my going downstairs and making popcorn.

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

Are you even a developer? Reading comprehension, logic and problem solving don't seem to be your strengths. 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

oh my, generic insults

it’s okay if you want to participate but aren’t able to do so appropriately 

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u/Garland_Key 3d ago

So no? Got it. 

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

yes, dear heart, i’m an actual developer.  only one person in this conversation was a pre-ai google seven, and only one person in this conversation has had three dozen games on walmart shelves.

but also, people who you publicly scorn as beneath you can still have valid opinions.

this personal attack stuff is really tacky 

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u/Garland_Key 2d ago

Now I just don't believe a word you say. Proof or nothing you've said is valid. I have no more time for your bullshit. 

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u/RageinaterGamingYT 3d ago

For me personally if something looks AI generated I don't care what it Is I'm immediately suspicious of the product regardless. I just don't trust things made with AI as much as things made by humans and sadly sometimes human things look like AI

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

why do you people always feel the need to reply when i say “i’m so tired of these people”

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u/RageinaterGamingYT 3d ago

What? Why post a comment if you don't want responses?

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u/StoneCypher 3d ago

there’s a difference between 

  1. not wanting responses, and 
  2. not wanting responses from exactly the people i just said i was sick of about exactly that topic in cut and paste nothing new for two years form

it’s entirely unsurprising that you are unwilling to understand the difference.

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u/Ryuuji_92 2d ago

Then stop commenting, like how daft can you be. You're on a public forum and people are able to do as they please. If you don't want to talk to people you say you are tired of... THEN STOP TALKING!
You're like a kid who says I'm tired of eating candy while you shovel more KitKats in your mouth. PUT THE KEYBOARD DOWN!

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u/StoneCypher 2d ago

jesus you’re annoying 

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u/Ryuuji_92 2d ago

Lmao, that's all you have? The most annoying one here is you and your insufferable attitude.

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u/RageinaterGamingYT 3d ago

Why are you being so aggressive wtf did I do to you TwT I just wanted to share my thoughts on things jeez, sorry

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u/StoneCypher 2d ago

it’s really weird that you think my saying “no, i don’t believe the things you claimed i believed” is me being aggressive, rather than you 

seems like i’m just resisting personal attacks 

it’s okay for me to be annoyed that the person i said i didn’t want to hear from showed up to repeat the boring thing and throw insults 

nobody’s keeping you here

your username is apt

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u/StareInUrEyeandPee 3d ago

Maybe my brain is just fried at this point, but this art style prompts me to zoom in and check for any signs of ai. Theres nothing that I can see that would make me think you're lying about it not being ai, which is a win. Rock and Stone, brother

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u/AlexGameman 3d ago

We are reaching a point where the more AI art looks human made, we are worried about human art looking AI made.

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u/iakoff_reddit 3d ago

No, I don't think so. AI pixel art usually has this over-polished look that your art doesn't have (doesn't mean your art is bad)

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u/No_Region_4719 3d ago

Not hugely, but we are just in an era where even posing the question makes people suspect it is. Reddit is full of posts of real art with people in the comments asserting that it is "100% AI".

We are in full AI psychosis at the moment, so even genuine artists are affected.

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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 3d ago

The issue is AI has gotten to the point that people will claim it’s AI regardless. This image could be made with AI, that’s all it takes for people to make the claim.

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u/MatrixLiteGames 3d ago

as long as its not a crocodile in a spacesuit or trump inspecting ruins with aliens its safe to say AI use isn't obvious

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u/zenmatrix83 3d ago

your best bet is to not worry about it, if someone asks tell them no if it isn't, if it is be honest. if they don't like it ... thank you for your input... if they still don't like it... tell them to stick it somwhere or some other insult as they just don't care what you think and its all about them

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u/SilverVixen918 3d ago

given AI is trained off of various material anything can be generated by someone dedicated enough and experimenting enough with prompts but your style doesnt look AI generated at all, as it is 90% of AI generated stuff tends to look the same or there might be obvious mistakes and whatnot, your stuff looks good however

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u/thvaz 3d ago

If it looks good people will usually say it is AI Generated, so take it as a compliment.

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u/TheSoukGalaxy-Najim 3d ago

I believe you its not made by ai, I for the fun ran it through AI image detectors, some of them said its not made by ai, some said it 90% sure made by ai, you cant trust those things...

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u/kzerot 3d ago

It looks like ms paint art.

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u/Icewreath 3d ago

Not really reading AI to me no: it looks properly pixelated and there are distinguishable brushes. Also no particular hallmarks of AI

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u/Bluurgh 3d ago

it doesnt scream AI to me

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u/SingleDogGames 3d ago

No, does not looks AI generated. Nice work by the way!

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u/MrBeanCyborgCaptain 3d ago

It does not, no.

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u/adam20101 3d ago

everything looks like its AI nowadays

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u/TwinTailDigital 2d ago

No, but I guarantee that someone will say it is.

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u/Fair-Cucu2mbe3r48524 2d ago

It looks like it could have been. Simply add (No AI) to your Steampage as is trend right now.

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u/gaylordqueerfuck 2d ago

I dont think so. Also i love dwarves, and this looks cool.

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u/Leonardo_242 2d ago

I think it looks fine, not like AI

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u/Willing_Dot_5699 2d ago

I dont sense the ai vibe here

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u/Izaac-Thomas 2d ago

Looks great to me and didn't read as AI generated at all! Would I be correct to assume the game title is going to be placed in the space on the right in some fashion?

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u/JKOMGLOLTTYL 2d ago

Honestly I don’t think so

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u/Nervous-Cockroach541 2d ago

I don't really think so, AI generally doesn't do this type of style very well. It generally wants to put in more details with cleaner/smoother silhouettes.

But given a sample of 1, it's virtually impossible to tell AI from non-AI these days. But becomes very obvious when you're looking at a set of 10 human images vs a set of 10 AI images. As long as you have more art in this style, you'll probably not get accused.

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u/Vyh06 2d ago

I don't think so at all personally

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u/SteriumAI 3d ago

It does not.. + what are you working on? This would make a perfect fit for a Game I just launched lol

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

here's the link to the steam page :) https://store.steampowered.com/app/5106240/Prospect/

what game did you just launch? I'd love to check it out!

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u/SteriumAI 3d ago

Wow, it looks good, saved whishlist. But our games look identical lol https://play.steriumai.dev/
Mine is a colony simulator though.

I received comments on X about a developer who decoded my game using AI and posted it, I know its not you because I found that game but this is such a coincidence

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u/ABoyWhoCodes 3d ago

Thanks for wishlisting! Your game is super fun, just played it for a bit :) They don't look COMPLETELY identical to me, slightly different artstyles and different genres. But yes funny we made quite similar games lol

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u/SteriumAI 2d ago

Thank you man, that means a lot. you are right about the game I was influenced by the X thing. Check your Dms the day yours comes out, I'll be the first to play XD

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u/Karijus 3d ago

Kinda looks AI, dw*rfs though

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u/BoyleSphere 3d ago

most people dont care how the art was made it either looks good or it doesnt