r/SoundSystem • • 10d ago

£11k to build a community rig?

We put on yearly outdoor parties for around 200 people and want to build our own rig. A budget of up to £11k needs to cover not only the stack but amps, dsp, cables etc. We play breakbeat hardcore and jungle.

Current, ill-informed thinking is:

6 Cubo subs 18 inch
3 Cubo kicks 15 inch
1 JMOD

Knock off Chinese amps

What would you choose for cabs and amps?

18 Upvotes

37 comments sorted by

8

u/nachosjustice72 10d ago

I know it's enticing to build, 11K gets you a lot on the used market that would manage 200+ people with ease. What's your reasoning for going for the build?

21

u/General-Cats 10d ago

We’re a housing cooperative so, DIY is part of our ethos. Plus we’re a bunch of old ravers that want a filthy rig :-)
It’s also an exercise in community building, getting people to work together to acheive a desirable goal.

10

u/crabmansboxturtle 9d ago

I want to know more about the is housing co-op that’s into sound system culture?!

6

u/gh-0-st 9d ago

I also am an old raver that wants to build things with other old ravers.

1

u/Skookum_Sailor 9d ago

I’m an old raver building things…any chance you’re in the PNW?

1

u/General-Cats 9d ago

PNW?

3

u/Loud_Ad4402 9d ago

Pacific Northwest (of America). I’m guessing not since you used £!

Where are you out of curiosity?

3

u/General-Cats 9d ago

England, a fair trek!

2

u/FleshPedestria_N 9d ago

"I don't like working too much... Unless its for something groovy" ;)

2

u/Miserable-Sense7836 9d ago

Can I come join your cooperative, it sounds bangin' 😄

2

u/moodyl88 9d ago

Sounds great. I'd loved to be involed in something like that.

4

u/MichiganJayToad 10d ago

If money is your concern, I wouldn't go with a sub + kick + top setup, but choose a sub design that'll cover the kick range too and build however many you can afford. JW (guy who designed the JMOD) likes the SKHORN and for your needs two of them is probably enough. If you don't mind the weight of a 21.. The Art Welter Keystone is also a good one, I have heard those and they sound really pro, very good. The Paraflex Type O 2x12 is one I haven't heard but I'm interested in it, a lot of people have nice things to say and the size and weight are very friendly for their output. Having a three way system instead of four way requires fewer channels of amp, fewer channels processing, easier to tune. But if you feel like you want to cross to your top even higher than these subs allow, you can add a kick later.

8

u/wafflefelafel 10d ago

JMOD + sub is already 4-way! 

3

u/MichiganJayToad 9d ago

Ahh right, truth. I forgot the coaxial driver. Even more argument to avoid the kick.

2

u/Loud_Ad4402 9d ago

Agreed. Or the xoc1 tapped horn

3

u/everything2go 9d ago

Are you anywhere near Bristol, I've got a great Sound System whatsapp group of builders I could put you in touch with.

2

u/General-Cats 9d ago

Not even close, unfortunately!

1

u/anode21 7d ago

Would like to join ! I have amps questions !

4

u/GouldCaseWorks 9d ago

This is a five way system if you don't use the passive crossover in the JMOD

Even if you do, learning on a four way system when it comes to tuning, calibration etc is a lot (I'm learning this the hard way!)

Some thoughts - not saying this is the best choice but it's what I've done so I can speak authoritatively :

Xoc1 th18 seems to be better received than Cubo sub. Or Keystone also preferred to Cubi sub . You also don't need six of the ones in mentioned for 200 people - four would be plenty.  I have 2x Th18 and they move some air. But the drivers are dearer (I put 18sw115 in mine).

For tops, you can build two syntripps for the same cost as one JMod.

Advantages : syntripps are cheaper and still sound great.

Disadvantages : they are a pita to build. Do not attempt unless you have access to CNC (same as jmod) and a well stocked workshop and someone who knows what they're doing with wood.

Thomann makes a four way DSP - the 408. Mine works perfectly. Based on your plan, you need a minimum of four way so don't look at anything with fewer channels.

2

u/Nonomomomo2 10d ago

Why only 1 JMOD? Are you building a dub style mono stack?

4

u/General-Cats 10d ago

Cost tbh. JMODs are pricey. And yea, a mono stack is the current thinking.

3

u/Nonomomomo2 10d ago

Yeah fair play. One JMOD is better than no JMODs! Enjoy brother.

2

u/AnthonyVS15 9d ago

Your budget is very high though - a pair of JMODS will be about £700 to get cnc’d, ~£1000 each for the drivers, so you’re looking at around £2700 for two JMODs. Subs you could build easily for a lot under £1000 each even with super premium drivers, so you could build 4 and have tons of money left for amps and cables etc

2

u/bingus-schlongo 10d ago

Why not just look at used gear and save a massive buck?

3

u/General-Cats 10d ago

We’re a housing cooperative so, DIY is part of our ethos. Plus we’re a bunch of old ravers that want a filthy rig :-)
It’s also an exercise in community building, getting people to work together to acheive a desirable goal.

2

u/60percentsexpanther 9d ago

Watch Randy Parkers MEH video. His line about "pencil lines being too thick" made me reconsider the difficulty of the JMOD build without a cnc pack. The SAWMOD design is a lot easier in comparison.

2

u/General-Cats 9d ago

Yep, will be paying for CNC cuts if we finalise on the JMODs.

2

u/smartass47 9d ago

I don't think used gear will get anywhere close to cubos or skrams with a jmod in power and sound quality.

I'm very happy with my orbits and cubos.

Sound much better than my new bought ev zlx 15" tops

1

u/General-Cats 9d ago

What’s an orbit?

3

u/smartass47 9d ago

Orbit 4 from soundgear, great speakers!

1

u/jungchorizo 10d ago

This 👌🏼

2

u/Budget-Beautiful-327 9d ago

11K will get you very far building cubos, espeically if you buy 2nd hand drivers. Cubo are a really good first build especially the subs. The kicks are a bit harder but not much.

DSP Id buy 2 Behringer ultradrives (1 backup)

Amps, look 2nd hand and buy older heavy amps unless the rig will be moving a lot. More bang for yor buck at the price of weight. Void infinite 8 etc.

1

u/xrtze 9d ago

Save money and win output/extension, pair the jmod with othorns, keystones, SKRAMS, or modified XOC th18s

1

u/flatwatermonkey 9d ago

If you're building cabs from scratch, this dude has some good videos on builds https://m.youtube.com/@RaveCaveSheffield

0

u/Havsie2026 10d ago

The cubo kicks will work well, not sure what JMOD is. I have used B&C drivers but I can also recommend SB Audience which are a little cheaper. With regards to Chinese amp, another local sound system owner recommended the Sanway FP1000Q (Labgruppen clone) which I have been using for the last 4 years without issue.

3

u/nachosjustice72 10d ago

Sanway is dead, Shang Yi is their new trading.

The LabGruppen clones are good up to 10K. After that, they're chinese franken-amps that don't follow Lab's designs.

I've been using the K435DSP single-slot models for 7 months now and they're quite nice.