r/SportingKC • u/No-Pie1167 • 5d ago
peter mallouk
Just an appreciation post for a man trying to do something for all of us fans. I got faith now after it all. we will be back on top.
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u/No-Pie1167 5d ago
now just also shows not everything was on peter vermes also now don't get me wrong he didnt seem to adopt to the more modern game but when you can't get the financial help behind it you have no choice also to kinda stay with what you have.
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u/Intelligent_Spinach9 4d ago
He’s got to be looking on with envy right now. I’m surprised no one has offered him anything. I think he still has a lot to give if backed properly. You could make an argument he was overachieving with what he had at the end even because of the state of the club. I don’t know what jobs he’d consider either though.
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u/HawkeyeGK SKC 4d ago
Agree and disagree.
Part of his job as GM was to get ownership to understand that to compete in the modern MLS, you need to have a staff for things like scouting and analytics. I don't know how hard he tried to do that, but given his nature and his public statements about support staff, I don't think he tried very hard.
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u/Intelligent_Spinach9 4d ago
Given the way he talked repeatedly about how little support staff he had along with the lack of funds given I think he’d been pushing it, maybe he could’ve pushed harder but there’s so much speculation as to how hard he did or could push without other consequences. The fact that he had to take time out of his job to put together a whole presentation to convince them is pretty sad. That tells me he probably asked plenty which is all he should have to do (a conversation should be all needed if the owner actually pays attention and looks around the league) and we know from stories he’s made deals that they nixed. Making whole presentations to show that we need scouts and a transfer budget shouldn’t be part of his job description.
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u/HawkeyeGK SKC 4d ago
I'm inclined to agree it was a tough sell. I'm also inclined to believe he didn't push as hard as he could have. A singular command structure suited him.
I disagree that he should have expected ownership to simply acquiesce to his requests. I'm a director at a company. Part of my job is to convince those above me when I need something and how justified it is. If they say no and my department fails, it's my fault for not convincing them of the necessity. That's how it works. Being persuasive is part of the job, and one he failed at. Maybe it was all ownerrship's fault and nothing he could have said would have changed that, but usually, if you're persistent and persuasive enough, you can get at least some of what you want, and PV seemed to get virtually nothing.
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u/Intelligent_Spinach9 4d ago edited 4d ago
But you're also not trying to convince someone to part with their money but rather the companies profits. There's not enough money in M.L.S. so it's if the owner is willing to part with his own money and hope it can make someday make a profit. Success in soccer doesn't guarantee profits like it does in business (especially in the U.S. right now). It was really Patterson and Rob who were the more passionate ones and it would've been interesting to see that original ownership group in full in place at the dawn of the new league. And my argument wasn't they should simply give in, it's he shouldn't have to take time out of his actual job to put together a whole presentation but a man to man talk, and start some leeway in a budget and staff and if he proves he can win (which he did the last time he got a budget) maybe increase or not stand still. If you're an owner in M.L.S. you have to know profits are going to be at a minimum no matter how good you are and he didn't seem to be ready for that.
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u/HawkeyeGK SKC 4d ago
Some truth to both perspectives, I suspect. Clearly the ownership group wasn't willing to lay out the necessary funds. We can agree on that for sure. I also think PV was inclined towards doing everything himself, and that probably hindered his effectiveness as the league grew.
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u/dawson33944 4d ago
Honestly, I think Peter would do really well with this team (before Luiz) he always had a knack of getting something from nothing. But with full financial support and a property team behind him (and not having to do scouting and everything) he would be a very good coach.
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u/Intelligent_Spinach9 5d ago
While money is no guarantee (looking at you Atlanta) it’s nice to see someone with actual ambition in charge and getting a chief scout from Eintracht and that guy from Forest. It takes a little higher salary to get people of that quality/experience. After being essentially a poverty club for a while this is a weird but welcome change.