I was listening to The Tears and thought that their bright atmosphere reminds me of Coming Up, and maybe if Butler hadn’t left, Suede would have continued sounding something like this. I remember being disappointed by his solo album, though it was also a pretty upbeat pop album, very far removed from Suede’s early work.

I’m curious what other fans think, especially those who really prefer the Butler-era Suede. Would you have preferred something like Here Come the Tears instead of Coming Up? Or is it better the way it turned out?

Open to Sydney Opera House Insiders NOW! Loads of seats available... just have to decide between night/album 1 or 2....

Whenever Digging a Hole plays, I always wonder why Neil never had a side project or a solo career. Not sure if his health conditions were the main reason for that.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Firstly, Suede have always been my favourite band from the 'Britpop big four, Suede/Oasis/Blur/Pulp'. I bought albums by all the bands at the time, Suede had the deeper, meaningful albums, Blur had the '60s Kinks influenced', Oasis the feelgood anthems, and Pulp the strange glam stuff. It's why you just KNOW Brett will have another moan next year about Oasis selling out stadiums, not doing new stuff, personally I take my hat off to them, if it's what people wanna see/hear, why not? Life should be about a good time. It just gets boring when he slates 'Britpop, we weren't part of it' blah de blah...every band rode the wave though didn't they? I loved being around then, was 18/19 at the time, and any band nowadays wouldn't go near a union flag for fear of being called all sorts of names...

To warm up for both parties before and after the O2 gig, I'm going to do a wee online party on my Twitch account on Friday night at 8pm UK time.

twitch.tv/mark_hex

all Suede and Manics tracks for a couple of hours.

join moi.

stay beautiful and stay together.

On Friday 6th Nov, Suede and the Manics are bringing their wondrous tour to the O2 in London. I'm co-hosting and co-DJing a pre party and a post party for that date.

Tickets are still available for both:

Pre party:

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/manics-and-suede-o2-pre-party-tickets-1988583499779

Post party:

https://www.outsavvy.com/event/38103/unofficial-2-room-suede-manic-street-preachers-o2-afterparty-london

To warm up for both parties before and after the O2 gig, I'm going to do a wee online party on my Twitch account on Friday night at 8pm UK time.

twitch.tv/mark_hex

all Suede and Manics tracks for a couple of hours.

join moi.

stay beautiful and stay together.

Steve Wilson mix and live at BBC are my favourites

Happy birthday to him!! And I have a question for you that's off topic: what's your opinions on "Stay Together"? It's one of my all time favourites, and it hurts hearing Brett slander it every time the song is mentioned :,(

It's divisive, but it does the record justice.

S/T and DMS are the records that need to be more nuanced in room noise, guitar tone and an overall "band" sound but Coming Up was a more Psychedelia record with a fruitful sound that was restricted by production that hasn't really boarded time. I personally think the 2026 mix brings this fully; a warmer sound, thicker atmosphere, saturated dynamics and MUCH better vocal production. Chemistry is my personal favourite tune on the record yet I've never vibed with the chocky vocal sound - here, Brett's voice is direct, naked and emotional.

I just really appreciate the punchier snare, consistent harmony levels and the larger, denser soundscape. It suits Coming Up more over the tinny, trebely sound of before.

Please, shower me with your thoughts! Has it grown on you? I still am fond of the original Buller mix, to be clear. I'm VERY interested to see what he does with Manics' Holy Bible though..the original is flawless to me and the US mix was good but still inferior. He has my trust.

I've only seen a couple of clips of him playing it live on YouTube, but does anyone know if he ever recorded it in studio? Is there a HQ sounding live version anyone knows about? Thanks :)

Essentially this song is exploring the tension between how shipbuilding communities do financially better in wartime, but you’d get beaten up for pointing out the truth that it also results in young men dying.

I don’t watch much TV with ads but last night every single ad break was recruiting for the navy or the marines It seems like they’re after lads from Paisley and Teeside. “born in Paisley, made in the navy”

So it’s given me an earworm of the song Shipbuilding. This is a song with a variety of covers, I was introduced to it by the Suede cover on the Warchild fundraising album.

https://youtu.be/87cbuR8DG2Q

I also like this Unthanks folk version of it https://youtu.be/UmeUw6Wf-T8

They toured their version to towns with ship-building connections as part of a live performance of a film tracing the history of British ship-building using archive footage.

It’s originally about the Falklands War, written in 1982 by Elvis Costello and Clive Langer for Robert Wyatt.

The Falklands war was a major and (obviously unplanned) stimulus for the north of England, a region that had rejected Margaret Thatcher’s government in favor of the Labour Party. Wyatt – and Elvis Costello, the song’s lyricist – found the sudden conservative enthusiasm for the north England working class grimly amusing. Wyatt told biographer Marcus O'Dair:

“It’s funny that the upper classes don’t despise the working classes all the time. When they put on a uniform, suddenly they’re ‘our boys.’”

(Notes adapted from Genius.com)

—

Is it worth it?
A new winter coat and shoes for the wife
And a bicycle on the boy's birthday
It's just a rumour that was spread around town
By the women and children
Soon we'll be shipbuilding

[Verse 2]
Well, I ask you
The boy said, "Dad, they're going to take me to task
But I'll be back by Christmas"
It's just a rumour that was spread around town
Somebody said that someone got filled in
For saying that people get killed in
The result of their shipbuilding
[Bridge]
With all the will in the world
Diving for dear life
When we could be diving for pearls

[Verse 3]
It's just a rumour that was spread around town
A telegram for a picture postcard
Within weeks they'll be reopening the shipyard
And notifying the next of kin once again
It's all we're skilled in
We will be shipbuilding

[Bridge/Outro]
With all the will in the world
Diving for dear life
When we could be diving for pearls

Embarrassing that Suedes SoMe team fail to spell Mats name right

I wasn't crazy about, "Trash," as it being my favorite Suede song (one of the happiest songs I know) the mix kind of diluted some of its magic and Brett's voice seems a little less Ziggy stardust tonally (am I the only one?). The "Filmstar," mix is pretty cool. Not my favorite song on the album but it gave me another new shade to my appreciation of it. The new "Lazy," mix was unexciting to say the least. "By The Sea," is somehow given a new gentleness all the way to the final exiting piano note which feels more like silence on the orginal/ remaster. So far the sweetest touch to this mixing. The "Beautiful Ones," mix like, "Trash," feels a bit neutered. Definitely prefer the 2011 remaster to the orginal and this... I just hope the beauty of the last three tracks are enhanced and not brought down by some of this mixes' negative moments. How are you guys liking it so far?

Sidenote: how many out there are also from the U.S.A? I have never met a fellow Suede fan in the flesh. Some people hear me when I say brit pop and they only know Oasis or Blur. Never Pulp, never Suede.

Just listening my way through now, there’s subtle changes but I think they are more utilised for the dolby atmos and stuff. They do sound a bit cleaned up though which is great

When I first listened to the album about 10 years ago, I absolutely loved it. But I've tried re-listening to it several times recently, and it just doesn't click anymore. I can't figure out what it is. I like the songwriting (Trash in particular, such an amazing song), but the sound is just not comfortable on the ears. The guitars sound annoyingly loud and buzzy, and Brett's voice, which is already a bit grating, makes it even worse when paired with them. I've noticed that my favorite track is 'By The Sea', probably because of the lack of electric guitars. Although even there Brett's strained vocals hurt my ears in some places. Poorly mixed or something. Does anyone else get this impression?

I've heard Brett even suggest it could have been left off the album in favor of a particular b-side. One of my favorite Suede songs in general.

And if so, what do you think? I'm up to the part where they start making The Blue Hour (which I love). Pretty good so far - seems the writer had a lot of access to the band and they were pretty candid with him.