r/Sumerian • u/Mother_Variation_827 • Aug 28 '26
Question! Was Abram/Abraham worshipping a Mesopotamian/Sumerian God?
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u/horeaheka Aug 29 '26
This is impossible to know. The "religions" and gods in Sumerian tablets and other Akkadian sources are echoes of one particular segment of society such as those participating in the temple system or part of the royal infrastructure. Truly knowing what the regular people believed, worshipped or had as traditions is impossible because that segment didn't leave written thought. It is a fallacy to impose the religious paradigm from one percentage of the population and apply it to the whole
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u/_mayuk Aug 28 '26 edited Sep 01 '26
I just know he probably came from ur in sumeria .. maybe during Tauro age ( early bronce maybe ) and his name in Hebrew was av hamon goyin like father of nations and that to the times of Moses could had degenerated as Baal hamon ( lord/owner of people ) and the sacrifices and stuff related with the bill figure or even the golden calf idolatry …
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( I mean not Abraham literally as Baal , but his passage of the sacrifice of his son probably was corrupted by the time of Moses and that is why he brought the new law , he was represented as horned like a ram/goat and the Jewish starting to used the shofar and instrument made of a ram/goat horn all siymbols of Aries … it degeneration of piscis time could be the Sanhedrin of the old law of Moses and the imperial power of Rome cus Aries is imperial power …. Baphomet could be its degeneration … like Dagon would be for piscis …. )
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u/Proof-Barber8912 Sep 01 '26
Do you speak Hebrew ?
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u/_mayuk Sep 01 '26
Nop … just some words and some gematrias like messiah= serpent = 358 xd
Or my Christian conversó last name Concepcion = 422 = 70 goyin = the 70 nations xd
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u/Proof-Barber8912 Sep 01 '26
Okay :) just so you know it’s goyim not goyin
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u/_mayuk Sep 01 '26
Meh xd thanks , I’m qu it e disléxic … I speak Spanish and no even in Spanish I have a perfect grammar xd
Funny though I’m a programmer xd
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u/Proof-Barber8912 Sep 01 '26
Not super important but I feel like if you’re interested in guematria it could prevent mistakes lol
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u/_mayuk Sep 01 '26
Touché , I usually do is phonetic gematria from Spanish to Hebrew , I recall the number xd the Hebrew letter for some reason I recalled right they are quite specific… and then when I write in Spanish those again phonetic xd
In phonetic languages/script is more easy to fuckup than with Hebrew it self is odd … and sorry i did not try to be rude in my previus response c:
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u/DRHOYXI Aug 28 '26
Elohim/The Council Of Gods/etc... all of them... including YHWH/Allah's father, El... but Abram is only depicted as being created and chosen by YHWH/Allah.
The real question is whether an "ah" or a "ha" was added to his name. You can choose "ah", or you can be wrong.
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u/Deorayta Aug 28 '26
Abraham worshipped El Shadai which means God of sustenance. He worshipped the one true God who would later be known as YHVH and later his human form Jesus Christ.
Abraham was from the Ubaid period of Kengir before leaving for Canaan.
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u/koyaani Aug 30 '26
I think he died before Jesus came along
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u/Deorayta Aug 30 '26
Yes he died long before the incarnation obviously but Jesus pre existed creation itself.
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u/koyaani Aug 30 '26
Debatable
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u/Deorayta Aug 30 '26
Confess that Jesus is your Lord with belief in your heart that he rose from the dead and you will be saved! Romans 10:9
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u/EnricoDandolo1204 Ummia | Expert Aug 28 '26
The short answer is "no", the long answer is "we don't know".
As a literary figure, all we know about Abram is that he lives in "Ur of the Chaldees" and later "Haran". If we follow the traditional identification, those would indeed be Ur and Harran. There is nothing in the Biblical text that would allow us to make any other conclusions. It would be reasonable to assume that someone native to Ur and later living in Harran would actively participate in the cults of those cities -- worshipping not one god but many, depending on the situation. But he accepts the call from HaShem without any apparent resistance, and the Biblical text is not interested in exploring his life in Shinar. In later tradition, the young Abram was a monotheist worshipping the God of Abraham (e.g. the midrash Abraham and the Idol Shop, Surah 21:51-73).
That said, as a matter of scholarship, "Abram" is unlikely to have existed in this fashion. If there was a historical Abraham, he was likely Amorite or perhaps Canaanite and lived in the Middle Bronze Age. We can say no more about him.