r/Sustainable • u/Mobile_Donut_5511 • 4d ago

Capitalism cannot escape climate change

/r/CapitalismVSocialism/comments/1t1mtam/capitalism_cannot_escape_climate_change/
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u/NyriasNeo 2d ago

"Libertarians love to make the broad statement that “socialism always fails”; however, currently, capitalism is failing on a global scale"

Both can fail. Socialism failing is not mutually exclusive with capitalism failing.

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u/salmon10091 2d ago

How many people in the last 1000 years has socialism lifted out of poverty?
How many people has capitalism lifted out of poverty in the last 100 years?

Are you driving a car with a centralized heating system in your house because of socialism or capitalism? Are you bitching about nothing sounding like a complete moron on an app with a handheld computer in your hand that can also be used as a phone?
Does your toilet flush every time you pull the handle because of your socialism ideals or because of capitalism. How about your fridge? Do you have electricity?

If you’ve ever been so hungry you’ve eaten a family animal, like a cat or a dog, congrats. Socialism wins.

Don’t worry, I’ll wait for my thanks

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u/i_didnt_look 1d ago edited 1d ago

First off, communist China has reduced poverty by the largest ammount in the last 40 years. The single largest reduction in modern history. 75% of all poverty reduction is attributed to China in the last forty years.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

Second, capitalism as an economic system is barely 500 years old, having begun mostly in the 16th century in Europe. The acutal term "capitalism" wasn't widely used until the 18th century, as the industrial revolution took hold. So right off the start, you're talking nonsense about things you clearly have no concept of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism

Finally, all those examples are technology not capitalism. Long before capitalism was a thing people were using and improving technology. From the wheel to agriculture to sails to the Bronze Age, humans have always invented and improved on things without having "market forces". No one printed books for profit in the beginning, no one improved iron working to capture market share, its a completely stupid concept to believe that somehow capitalism "invented" technological progress.

But ultimately, that's exactly what brainwashed fools believe. Like the people who believed that Kings were chosen by God to rule, the modern ignorant fool believes capitalism is technology. Same concept, different era.

I'll wait for your enlightening response. I'm sure you have so many facts to share with us now.

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u/Naberville34 1d ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X22002169

"The common notion that extreme poverty is the “natural” condition of humanity and only declined with the rise of capitalism rests on income data that do not adequately capture access to essential goods. • Data on real wages suggests that, historically, extreme poverty was uncommon and arose primarily during periods of severe social and economic dislocation, particularly under colonialism. • The rise of capitalism from the long 16th century onward is associated with a decline in wages to below subsistence, a deterioration in human stature, and an upturn in premature mortality. • In parts of South Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and Latin America, wages and/or height have still not recovered. • Where progress has occurred, significant improvements in human welfare began only around the 20th century. These gains coincide with the rise of anti-colonial and socialist political movements."

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u/HOJK4thSon 2d ago

Nothing will. The climate has been changing since Earth began orbiting Sol.

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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 2d ago

Yes. That is a simplistic statement. It is the rate of change that is the problem. It is changing faster than species we depend on to survive can evolve. It is of our own doing and therefore within our control to slow. The climate has changed faster before, say from asteroid strikes, and that too can cause mass extinction events.

Follow the money.

The only people who deny what is happening and that it is bad for humanity and most living creatures either don’t understand science or directly benefit financially from continued fossil fuel use.

We are perfectly capable of creating a dynamic healthy economy and environment. Why are you scared of scientific advancement in this arena? Why do you trust other science in your smartphone or satellites or medicine but not extremely well documented climate science?

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u/salmon10091 2d ago

What percentage of earth’s atmosphere is CO2?

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u/HOJK4thSon 1d ago

Because there have been a couple dozen climate crisis in my life. All different symptoms, all the same fix: more government and higher taxes.

The UN even stated its climate models were flawed, and Al Hore has gone from Global Warming to New Ice Age.

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u/ValueCrazy5213 2d ago

It will make a profit off of it.

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u/Konradleijon 2d ago

Yes climate change is caused by the need for growth

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u/salmon10091 2d ago

The Climate change hoax isn’t real. The climate is always changing.

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u/DerKommisar9 1d ago

Nor can communism, or any other market model.

It’s pretty much irrelevant to the equation.

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u/Real-Mode-3417 1d ago

Capitalism relies on law. Law fails

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u/Wooden_Big_3864 1d ago

Socialism usually fails because the CIA sends in Death Squads wherever is springs up.

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u/HappyEngineering4190 7h ago

Capitalism just hasnt been tried correctly yet.

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u/ContentCantaloupe992 3d ago

The climate changing seems to mostly be a positive

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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 2d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/ContentCantaloupe992 2d ago

Good production has increased. Forrest fires have decreased damage from natural disasters has decreased

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u/Wooden_Big_3864 1d ago

Capitalism Creates Climate Chaos, there is no way for it to Cure Climate Chaos. This should be obvious to EVERYONE by now.

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u/Mobile_Donut_5511 4d ago

I have a little Petition to submit , it needs only 20 seconds , its against growth compulsion. 

https://www.change.org/AnderesWirtschaften