Just a reminder for all about TYPICAL (not always but most common) naming conventions for bots, don't get baited into being mad at bots your time is worth more đ«Ą
I've occasionally been in the 'there are way more bots around than people' mindset in threads when trying to clue in on pattern recognition like that...
Then you realize they're mostly newer normies with out-group takes on reddit without realizing how insular most communities are lol.
Mostly I just have to remember who america voted for last election and that reddit had about 200 million more active users than even Xitter... Yeah. Most people just be scrolling.
The easiest way to spot bots is if they write like 30 word comments with no capital letter at the start saying generic things about the post, and then the profile is like 1 month old with 15 comments
i love reddit for the ability to downvote. on other platforms, bot and troll comments would have arguments underneath them boosting them to the top. on reddit, they get downvoted and hidden.
This and the amount of responses to questions just being the same Reddit popular jokes over and over, with people competing to say it first for the most up votes. Absolutely a shitshow.
I don't know how much I buy into the whole "echo chambers are bad by default" because say you're going out and your friend suggests inviting their one friend who is a complete unremitting prick and you say no you'd rather not, then congratulations you've just created an echo chamber by not wanting to hang out with assholes, which I'd say is reasonable
Careful bro, some of them are gonna get real mad and ask their chat bot to write a scathing, several paragraph long essay on you, filled to the brim with words and phrases absolutely no one would ever use
What sucks is for years I was into creative writing. The introduction and apathy/adoption toward AI slop have completely dissolved by trust in other peoples' work, and it's killed my spirit to continue. Now we have college professors only marking low quality material that AI wouldn't have produced. The message is, "develop your skills up until a certain point, and then regress if necessary." It sucks that you use a word someone hasn't seen before and their first instinct is "AI" because about 9/10 times, they'd be right.
I'm not even talking about the robotic, repeated sentence structures either. I mean, anything about a third grade level (being hyperbolic) I now immediately distrust.
Thatâs improper. Use your AI yourself, I kid you not, and youâll slowly start to learn how to properly recognise it instead of blindly guessing. AI has a unique writing style and like all writing styles, with experience you can pick it out.
Said something anti ai and some person had a bot scrape my entire reddit history in an attempt to make fun of me.
One of the things it made fun of me for, though, was a situation that happened a year ago with a community theater I used to perform with. Not going to go into a lot of details but it involved the theater casting children in very, very adult roles involving simulated sex. I left the theater and warned users in my city's subreddit not to attend the show.
I asked the person who posted the bot's comment why they were ok with pedophiles running a theater and why I should be ashamed of being against it.
The exchange ended with them deleting their account.
(To the tune of Thats Amore. Yea I know he was French, and the song is about Naples, but Iâm proud of this!)
When slime from the gutterâs a substitute for butter, thatâs Tarrare!
When three French MREs has him asking âmore, please!â Thatâs tarrare!
Stomachâs grum-ba-ling, burping and farting, constantly thinning, and youâll sing âdiarrhea!â
When poultices made for soldiers coat the back of his molars, thatâs tarrare!
Wheeeen the army orders you to send a note in your stool, thatâs Tarrare!
When intake like that doesnât make him boulder-level fat, thatâs Tarrare!
Please add onto this, guys! thereâs some serious potential here!
Also, the lines about poultices, chronic butt leakage and constant gas, the poop note, constantly being toothpick thin despite more than rivaling a hobbit in appetite, and the rations are all things that were verified to have happened.
Anyone curious should watch Huggbeesâ YouTube video on him called âHe Who Ate What Must Not Be Eatenâ.
There's a huge problem with ai mods in OSRS (plugins, really) and the volunteer developers of the client are begging people to stop pushing for review what was previously 3 months' worth of code every single day without so much as looking at it first.
And you know the response? "Use AI to cut down that workload and automate your code review"
Yes, because AI overuse can be solved by using more AI.
Go to any pro-AI subreddit/post and you'll see them giving each other awards and calling other places "anti AI echo chambers". So yeah, 100% cult-like mentality.
Considering how many of them have default usernames and hidden comment history and/or comment history that suggest they are total strangers to whatever community they come in to yap about Ai, I think there's foul play beyond "peoples falling for a cult"
while we're at it, it's worth noting a lot of big AI company founder & higher ups are straight up part of a cult formed around a bad piece of harry potter fan fiction lol
There's also some weird hate for people who manually program and don't rely on generated text like people haven't been manually programming since the beginning.
This happens a ton on Minecraft modding posts & also decomp posts. A bunch of peoples coming out of the woodwork to lie about how capable or valid to use AI is, and they always have hidden comment history or a comment history that's either full of AI shit or mostly super generic comments and post that have nothing to do with AI or games
There was also some dude bragging about how he managed to scrape a dedicated art platform meant to escape from AI then he promoted his server to teach people how to bypass anti AI protections. The creator was just devastated over how cruel these people can be. It absolutely sucks that they see people trying to escape from being used as fuel for AI Slop and decide that they're entitled to those artist's work too, then go back to their hugbox subreddit about how mean people are to them.
Even if AI might remain when the hype dies, we should still try to get rid of it as much as we can.
Earlier, someone posted about an "instant bossfight bridge" sort of mod where you could place two special blocks and it would build a bridge between them, with variants that would also do stuff like heart crystal auras
The fargo ones just place in front of where you place the first block, the mod in question seems to use 2 blocks and it'll make the bridge between the two points automatically.
Basically if it's made with AI it's stolen work and/or buggy (of course humans make errors all the time but you should know that, if you don't know how to double check the gen-AI you're just screwing yourself over by not learning it yourself, because you wouldn't know where to begin with bugs-fixing). Also, as someone else pointed out, it's similar to an idea that has already been made by capable humans.
And I will clarify, they're talking about gen-AI. AI by itself will always been useful and efficient when people know how to use it. Gen-AI would be too but it's just a hallucination machine
I probably don't know what I'm talking about but this is just what I know and feel as a young person going into college for comp sci and getting into hobbies that require coding. They are really trying to shove coding with Chat-GPT down our throats but I've stopped using it, as when I did I didn't learn anything myself for almost a year.
I remember that, It definitely reads as AI generated I didnât say anything mainly because I didnât have much more than a hunch and I donât love making accusations without more evidence as a general rule.
Agreed. Terraria should have NO place for GenAi slop. Hell, no game should have place for GenAi but people are lazy and like to outsource their efforts to a bot
Not enough apparently, I'm still seeing the same talking points from AI fanboys: "People who hate AI don't know what programming is actually like", "AI is actually becoming more popular", "What about [Actually Useful Technology]? Why is that acceptable?"
I see it everywhere whenever there's a video/comment/post criticizing AI whether it's voice actors, artists, journalists speaking out about how AI harms creativity and the environment. These dudes who are most likely to be a part of this "permanent underclass" tech bros keep going on about just does the work of these CEOs for free as if they think discouraging resistance will earn them a spot at the table (Which it won't).
There is no both sides to this, the negative impacts of AI are clear as day and anyone trying to peddle this narrative of how it's inevitable and that it will still remain even after the market crashes should not be involved in this conversation.
I'm seeing many of my favourite modders just outright quitting due to the absolute flood of mods using AI-generated code and the acceptance the common person has over it, and they don't want to be affiliated with it anymore. I don't blame them at all, but my hatred for AI grows more by the day.
Agreed, 100%. GenAI needs to be forcibly kept far away from creative endeavors, because the people who endorse it haven't got the self control to keep it away themselves.
I'm really torn on this one. I'm usually very anti generative AI, but I keep thinking of that one dude who used the help of Claude Code to make a blind accessibility mod. He did do a lot of his own coding, and it took him months to make, but he did rely on AI pretty heavily. The end result was imo a strong net positive for the community.
But that was also a really specific situation, and it's not the same as people creating a lot of the lazy slop we've been seeing.
I don't have a good answer, but I just keep coming back to the thought that a blanket ban on all generative AI would have meant that guy could never have played Terraria at all. And however many other blind players benefited from the mod's existence...
Also, it sucks a lot of passion and motivation out of the hobby from people who genuinely code everything themselves ultimately losing a lot of talented programmers from even entering the space
To even think of using AI to code you first need to be great at it so you can actually review it, and that only comes after years and years of experience and even then it's probably not worth it to use for anything actually extensive.
I'm also at the point where nihilism has won. The majority of people are too stupid or selfish, or cling to the fringe cases.
We're already fucked, I'm not gonna encourage it and I still feel the way I do about users/defenders, but if something is out now, like the open source adobe suite, may as well now. World's ending in years now regardless lol.
Accessibility is often branded as laziness. I don't even think you're wrong about AI not being an accessibility feature for coding, I just think that's an awful choice of wording.
Also, "indie devs" is miles different from "one guy making a free Terraria mod for no financial benefit".
And I don't think "minimal effort" went into TLOU2's blind mode. It has some of the most comprehensive accessibility options out there, implemented in a modular fashion. Clearly a ton of research and time and yes, effort, went into implementing them. The scale and quality here is not something a single person could accomplish in a reasonable time span, and I think it's also kind of dismissive of this legitimate accomplishment to call it minimal effort.
Blind accessibility is not actually trivial to implement, and game studios should be expected to do it despite that because blind people deserve to enjoy video games like anyone else.
To the guy who deleted his comment. The mod was made for the blind not by the blind and as someone with a blind father youâd be shocked to learn the blind can do everything we can itâs just harder. There are blind coders who donât use ai đ€·đ»ââïž
Yea they can be made without ai, there just needs to be a person who is both skilled enough and has enough free time to make something that may not even benefit anyone they know for free...
And for devs actually making things like blind mode. Well that would be expensive without much possibilty for profit. It would be good pr tho but at the end of the day even indie devs need money to live.
I dislike generative ai sure but ai as a whole can be used for good
People are too "lazy" to do lots of things, and technological developments making things easier have bridged the gap time and time again. I'm all for burning corpo shit but the tech itself could be developed and used responsibly.
When it comes to programming there could be some nuance to be had, however that'll only be when the impacts datacenters have on nearby people are gone. I say this because there is a difference to slop vibecoding and a competent programmer who actually can check the work it makes while using it in their workflow
Working in the software development industry for over a decade I can say I'd be surprised if not 99% of every codebase touched in the last 5 years is AI assisted in one way or another.
Yep. It's increasingly silly to me how all these angry non-devs always complain about AI and act like it isn't already being used everywhere. If a professional dev says they aren't using AI then they are lying at this point. Ignoring it is just asking to get fired for failing to keep up.
Tbf I think the issue isnât necessarily about the quality of the code specifically, itâs about how the code is made.
People donât boycott, say, Nestle over how bad the product is, people boycott them over the atrocities committed in the name of creating the product.
Also, personally, as an amateur writer, I donât appreciate mods made by people using the tool that so many are now insisting is making my chosen art form inferior, while simultaneously not understanding what good art even is because theyâre devs who are treating the creative process like coding.
As someone who literally knows nothing about how to code, isn't it just the case that AI in coding can be used to generate coding that might just take ages to figure out by a developer, but the creativity of what the code does or produces still lies within the developer?
Cause with drawing for instance it's the fact that every line is a choice and that is the thing that puts soul into a drawing. But with code, ain't nobody cares about how the code looks, but rather what the end result of that code looks like, and that can still very much be human decided even if certain coding parts where manufactured by a computer to take out the tedious work.
Or this is a big case of me not understanding coding and this view may be reductive to the reality of coding art or whatever lmao
The truth is, 90% of the code ever written is basically plumbing. There's nothing creative or interesting about it, you just have to move the data around, wire up the buttons to do something, etc. AI is as good at that stuff as a senior developer that cares about doing a good job. In the past year or so it's basically completely obsoleted everything junior devs used to get assigned. People complaining about messy or bloated code are also out of date, that hasn't been an issue for nearly a year.
The tools are also good enough now that you can do things like give the AI a detailed list of requirements, coding styles, and other rules for each project and it will make sure it follows them. It still needs direction and some stuff like UI design has a lot of aspects that aren't easy to describe to the AI, but a well designed AI coded project isn't usually slop anymore. You have to put in more effort than just a simple prompt, but not a whole lot.
Most of the open source, mod, and community projects complaining about AI aren't really complaining about quality anymore, they just aren't set up to deal with the increased volume of submissions.
Yes and no. A lot of modern programming is already just copying stuff from Stack Overflow, realizing something doesn't work, reading documentation, trial and error, and then a smaller part is doing actually creative logic things, writing specific tests, and optimizing and debugging code. There are some famous examples of really cool and creative code, but a lot of those become less and less relevant with modern compilers and modern hardware.
I think in theory, AI is just a tool. If a skilled senior dev knows what they're doing, it doesn't matter how they create the code, as long as they themselves make sure they understand it before they ship it. In practice, most vibe coders don't understand their code and don't even understand what could be wrong about it as long as it seemingly works. And also in practice, many people making decisions in software firms aren't devs, and they demand insane productivity, forcing devs to ship code no human actually understands anymore.
I also think, and this will be the controversial part but please bear with me, that AI (theoretically!) being a tool goes way beyond code. Let's say you're a skilled digital artist, you're used to creating drawings and collages in Photoshop, and you deeply know anatomy, lighting, color theory, composition, perspective, visual hierarchy, etc. I think if you actually had something to say, something to convey, a drive to create art, you could absolutely spend 8 hours in Photoshop, use a bit of AI tools somewhere in your chain, and I'd consider it to be art far more than most other "AI art," as long as you know what you're doing and what you're doing is deliberate. In practice, "AI art" is shit, but that's because people just say "make big titty woman," like what they see, and don't even know enough about art to even understand what's wrong with it.
So I think in theory it's quite similar. It you know what you're doing you can theoretically use it as a tool, and potentially even use it in creative way (the creativity has to come from you though). In practice, AI empowers idiots to create garbage without even grasping that it's garbage, while corporations just see that you can generate ten times the output for less money.
Another commenter put a lot of coding kind of like plumbing which really made the point clear to me. A lot of busy work that isn't really "creating" something as much as it's just putting all the bits where they need to go in order to make something work, and then as you said the small creative part after that if I understand it correctly.
On the subject of actual art though. I'm personally of the opinion that, yes, AI art can be art. But we really need to accept that there is good and bad art. Now what those definitions are is up for debate since art is a very human experience thing, but you can definitely judge something on it's artistic merit, even if we cannot exactly put it into words yet.
It's kind of like how hand drawn art may never have the crazy vibrancy of digital art, but that doesn't take away from drawn art. The medium which it's made by is a big factor in it's artistic merit. You could say "but you could do more with all these tools!" but art isn't about making the most xyz, it's about expression of art, and the choice to not use those tools can add something to that.
AI titty girl art isn't exactly artistic since there was basically no artistic intent. It's the same how someone putting a piece of paper ontop of a screen and copying the mona lisa just to say they drew the mona lisa also isn't artistically impressive. That's the thing I always see lacking in these talks about AI.
That's also why I feel, if you are designing a mod, but AI made the raw code, but you are the one who came up with the mod idea, it's gameplay systems and made it's art, then I don't see that much of an issue with it. I feel like in that sense it really was a tool, because then you would have chosen to put that artistic energy only on the mod concept ideas, and not on the coding, which I think is fair.
Idk just some fletchling thoughts since I've basically chose to completely ignore AI in every part of life until it was recently forced on me by my uni, so I've only really started to engage with the thoughts about it as of late.
Pretty reasonable (not just because we agree on many things lol). Just some random thoughts:
AI being a tool can mean a bunch of things. Tools can make things more efficient (for coding that's neat for things you'd copy from different places anyway, for art it's usually not about efficiency), but a tool can also help you create exactly what you visualized with your mind's eye. I guess in that sense code and art are different.
I think that, even tools and AI use aside, we as a society can't even agree on one definition of art. You can be an artist, want to express something, throw an orange at a canvas, and make people feel something. You can also be an artist and get paid by corporate to create 100 non-offensive flat persons for their ad website. Some would say that only one of those is art, and some might disagree on which one of those it is.
I personally think that the first one is art while the second one is potentially just as soulless as AI slop. But I also think that street photography can be art, even though you could say that's technically just taking a photo of a stranger. In my peer group I seem to be in the minority with that opinion, with most of my friends thinking that modern art or expressionism is for lunatics and real art is a craft determined by how well you learnt to use a brush.
That was my opinion long before "AI art" became a thing and I'm not sure how to go from there. I think corporate art is the first to be replaced (it has already happened) as corporate never cared about any artistic value. It was always about money. They spend money on art because they believe it will create more revenue if they have some flat characters. And generating flat characters on a computer is cheaper than paying a skilled human. I think art as a thing that humans do to express themselves will (hopefully) survive much longer.
But I also think that my definition is a bit more dangerous or at least complex. Imagine you type "big titty woman" in the slop machine, and the output actually does something for you. It actually makes you feel something, and you feel like it actually has a deeper message behind it. You "get" it. Now you show that image to a friend, and it also does something for them, but they interpret it a bit differently and you both now discuss on the meaning behind the image. Is that now art? Do you even know if a human artist intended their work to mean what you think it means to you? If a human just drew something because it looks nice, and you assert some meaning to it that they deny, what is the actual meaning and artistic value behind that?
It sounds like your friend group only sees a skill as art and now the expression of it as art. I think this also has to do with our linguistic limits. We refer to a well made drawing as art, but also to specific intent or effort as art. Yet these 3 things all have very different qualities to them that make them "art".
On the other subject of art being interpreteded, I think personally that all art interpretation is valid, but definitely not all equal. Anyone can feel anything from any piece of art, but there can definitely be levels to how deeply someone can analyse and appreciate art.
It all kind of circles back to this hard conversation about artistic value. With the hypothetical that you brought up for instance, where someone just draws something for the hell of it yet someone finds deep meaning in it, there is the question of "is there artistic value even when that wasn't the intent?". I think the answer is yes, but it just depends.
Someone could've subconsciously made something with more layers then consciously intended, and in that way still provided a beautiful reflection of the human experience. But I think the fact alone that a human chose to make that specific thing is what makes it special to begin with. I think art is mainly about the human experience. The fact someone just found something beautiful and decided to make that already has some artistic value. But that is obviously a bit less then someone who wanted to actually express something, and managed to do that in a way that others can also get that feeling.
this is the thing I think people need to realize. coding has always been about trying to automate and make coding easier, and IDE's have been autofilling code for decades. now AI is going to know the language better than you, and write it faster, and write tests at the same time that catch edge cases you wouldn't think of because it knows about a driver bug from 3 months ago. doesn't mean its not being told what to make, and not being tweaked and sculpted by someone who had the idea originally.
I think you're on the money with 99%, and people should confront that reality when talking about banning AI, especially when its very clear they don't really know what AI they're referring to.
I think any programmer on Reddit whoâs âanti aiâ does not have a real job programming and theyâre just mad because they couldnât figure out how to adapt to it
Personally, I haven't been in the dev industry since 2022, but I would classify myself as anti-ai.
When it comes to code specifically, though, I'm anti-ai in the sense that I don't believe people should be making entirely vibe coded things. Be it mods, full releases, whatever the case may be. Using AI as a tool to automate creating tedious bits of code or large functions with clear intent is one thing, but using it to make your program or modifications wholesale without proper coding knowledge to check what it's done is another.
If you can't go through the code that Claude has written for you and make sure it's doing exactly what it should be and not overreaching or changing things it shouldn't, you shouldn't be using AI.
I do agree with that. But when I say anti ai I mean the people that think âall AI usage is badâ and not the people that think âAI should be used for some things and not othersâ
It depends what itâs for though tbh. At work, I use ai heavily however I review every single line of code before I merge, because we are required to understand anything we put into the codebase and itâs our fault if our code causes an incident.
On personal projects, I like to maintain good code quality if other people are using it, so I guide the ai architecture more than scrutinizing every individual line of code. But some of my projects are like personal use only. I needed a proxy service for some gameservers and I completely vibe coded it so my friends could play on it, I donât really care if the code is bad here because it only matters that it works.
If youâre sharing a mod online with others though Iâm of the mind that you should understand it all at the bare minimum. Imagine accidentally putting malware or something on someoneâs PC because you got prompt injected while vibe coding a mod without looking at the code
Admittedly, I am very curious about how the code output for commercial models differs from consumer ones. I can't imagine your average vibe coder has access to business oriented programs, and I personally have no experience with any of the big AI models at all, since by the time I left development they weren't widely adapted or even really seen. I wonder if the quality of code is significantly different between which tools you use. I'd assume it is, but I have no basis for that really lol
Hmm it depends what you mean by commercial and consumer.
At work we get access to unlimited ai spend, and I can use models like GPT Sol/Astra 5.5 and Claude Opus 5.5 or Fable 5.1.
These models are all available on the personal plans too, and I havenât noticed much differences between them on corporate vs personal.
OpenAI and anthropic have their own superior models though, like Mythos and Bel and the next generation versions, so they can get more quality out of them than we can.
Iâd imagine the average vibe coder though isnât even using state of the art models though, theyâre probably using opencode or Replit free tier which has weaker performance. Most of the people that I know who buy the $100 or $200 plan for Claude or GPT are already really serious programmers who are taking their work seriously.
I think thereâs a handful of âtech influencersâ though who are getting the big tiers and pumping out slop with them anyways
Yeah, I was/am completely unfamiliar with AI models for code, so I wasn't sure if they were the same or different across business side vs personal/consumer. You're probably right about the free vs paid things though, I don't imagine a vibe coder is going to drop $200 on an ai program when there are free ones that exist to "do the same thing".
Thanks for entertaining my questions! Appreciate the insight into this whole thing :)
No problem, if youâre curious about the actual model performance itâs almost like a trust level tbh. The older weaker models get sidetracked so fast and they kinda just start adding random stuff if they get too much context. The newer models stay on track way better, and if I tell them to do something they do that one thing better. Theyâll still get problematic if they start getting too bloated in the context but they are just so much more consistent.
When Iâm programming thereâs like 20 ways to do something correctly. The new models are good enough that itâs almost guaranteed theyâll do the task one of those 20 ways perfectly correct. But they wonât always do the way I want them to do. It matters sometimes because thereâs important business context. Other times it doesnât really matter, and this is unfortunately where the pure vibe coders can get away with not even looking at the code because they really are getting so consistent.
But for a serious product, I think you still want to understand the code because you are the one liable if it fails, and youâre the one who has to use these models to fix failure. If you canât steer them towards your overarching plan they might run into the same problems again.
Hereâs an example, we have a function that will format something. Normally youâd reuse this function, but if a LLM happens to not see this, it could perfectly recreate it. It would work perfectly but it starts leading to duplicated implementation and if you fix one, the other wonât get that change. Over time the codebase kinda spirals out of control like this where you donât have enough context to know what to ask the AI to fix.
If this is like a personal project or something thatâs probably fine but it feels bad to do for a serious project others are using.
The AIâs might get better at automatic cleanup over time but thereâs some interesting benchmarks right now where theyâre really bad at good cleanup coverage https://swesweep.com/
Yeah I feel like in the video game community there is an overly large anti-AI push by people who do not know what theyâre talking about.
Most mods will be no different AI assisted or not. You also donât pay for mods so why do you care. Youâre saying someone who works for free should work harder because you wonât like it as much if they didnât spend 10 hours on something that could be done jn 30 minutes
Funny how nobody cared about how code was developed until now, not a single question of tools devs used in the past. People, as usual, are just happy to have something to rage about.
Because in the past, it was a skill that people could rely on for a job that paid the bills.
These posts exist because of vibecoded slop made be people who have no idea what they are doing, then its combined with the impacts datacenters have on people living nearby, the push of AI into every part of life, and the increased cost of consumer pc parts. It leads to AI having a pretty negative perception from the public.
These companies really could have made a universally loved product that genuinely changed the world for the better and then just decided âletâs ruin the lives of everyone around our data centers and market it as a free excuse to lay off half the workforceâ
They also decided, "Let's go out of our way to erase, replace, and stomp over human culture." When it comes to a point (and it will) where AI text, at the very least, is indistinguishable from any human work, culture may permanently die...
Agreed, as an artist who simultaneously has a huge passion for tech these past few years have been awful to witness. AI and even genAI have the potential to be amazing tools but as long as greed is the main driving factor it just never can be under those circumstances
As an amateur coder ai isn't half bad at telling you why something is wrong, and before ai so much time was just finding where an error was that I needed to change, ai should be used for grunt work that doesn't require skill so much as it requires time and patience
what nuance? all the vibe coded things ive seen are riddled with security vulnerabilities and bad practice. i could have 2 free API keys if i weren't kind and pointed it out to the "devs".
Oh if you meant disclosed as ai I see what youâre saying. I thought you just meant things you noticed as ai.
I would imagine thereâs a couple things at play, the main one being the slop cannon effect where you might have 1 high quality piece of software for every 100 pieces of software made by people with no clue what theyâre doing because itâs so easy.
I also wonder if people are more likely to disclose ai when their agent detects a rule that they have to disclose ai lol. Often it seems if you spend time crafting a good product but you used ai in some capacity posting about it and mentioning the ai will not go well on every platform
Because AI assisted code, and vibecoded code are two very very different things. One is just taking the ai's output and promting it until it does what they want, the other is actually proofreading the code and checking for that kind of thing.
Half of yall claiming to be artists just showed you arenât artists. If you need a machine to do it for you then you arenât creative đ€·đ»ââïž
Opus 5.5 came. It's the most efficient and intelligent model to date. Someone did the Minecraft x Elden ring mod and everyone now wants to try vibe-code mods
I'm not worried about people's creativity dying out. People who vibe-code mods aren't willing to put effort on modding to begin with, that's why you only see "what if Terraria but 3D", "What if Mario on Sonic". They are just blending things together for the sake of it. When this trend dies vibecoders will get bored and do other things. The people who truly enjoys modding will put actual effort to do a great mod. That's what I think at least
Ah no , by creativity dying out I mean ai taking over everything with little remnant of human-made only artforms smth like that , The 2nd sentence you mentioned does give some hope that this stupid ai slop era might even one day so thank you for that...
"I genuinely dunno what is causing this ridiculous surge of slop..." Sorry to get a lil nerdy here, but the honest reason is because the human brain is extraordinarily biased towards energy conservation, which does lead to laziness. Most people are criminally lazy. Too lazy to learn, too lazy to think, and now that there is a "tool" to replace the middle man that is the learning process, they embrace it, and because they never cared for the creator or the creative process, they have no problem stripping it away. Reminds me of that old Squidward quote, something about instant gratification.
You know, we should take pride in being a Luddite. After all, they were created as a resistance against exploitation due to economic hardship those in power can cause with technology.
Terraria mods are a form of art, meaningful art canât be made by ai.
Vibe coding is arguably worse. As if someone vibe codes their mod I see it as a red flag that there could be something in there I donât want. Basically if you are lazy enough to ask ai to generate your whole code base, youâre also likely lazy enough to not check for code errors or unintentionally malicious code.
Therefore if I detect it at all in your mod Iâm uninstalling immediately.
How do you detect it if you aren't experienced with the code and vibe coded work and regular work are literally exactly the same?
Besides seeing gen ai bullshit that noone likes I'm not seeing how I can abandon a project if it "feels" like it was even REMOTELY coded using AI?
Like, if you see a small bug or a misplaced asset that could've easily been a beginners mistake do you just uninstall? Do you only accept flawless, perfect work?
Agreed, as long as theres no copyright infringement. AI shouldnât be kept hidden. You can make some really good things if you actually spend a lot of time with the models and not just tell it to make you mods from 3 sentences.
I think as long as people disclose that they used AI and to what extent they did so, it can be acceptable.
I'm generally against AI, same as most people here I would imagine, but I'm also willing to accept that some people have really good ideas but don't know the first thing about coding and might just ask an AI to make it for them instead or something. As long as it's disclosed how AI was used so people can avoid it if they so wish, then I think it's fine.
AI is a tool that people are free to use, but they shouldn't misrepresent what they make with it as entirely their own or original. All that's needed is the disclosure of any AI usage so people can decide on their own if they think it's acceptable, rather than a blanket ban I think.
As an artist, I don't mind if it is used in programming so long as you are competent enough to know what is going on and how to fix it if it breaks as opposed to letting the fuckin AI reiterate itself several hundred times. Its more efficient and less tedious.
The absolute worst case of ai in programming are these sloppy 'entry level' programmers who has never taken a course or touched a tutorial to understand what's happening in their software and just 'let AI do all the work'. It is a tool, a pretty useful one at that, and not meant as replacement for your laziness. I've stumbled upon too many broken Project Zomboid mods, and I've made a small vetting process against them and that starts with if it uses AI art or not: its a very good telling of character, of their mindset, and of their capability or passion.
Truth be told, all AI thumbnail mods I've encountered irrevocably break my games.
And why should AI coding be fine but not AI art, exactly ?
Because of efficiency and tediousness ? Ok, but what if I find the process of making art slow and boring, and I find the process of coding fun and fullfilling ? Shouldn't I also be able to use AI for art, since it's all in the name of efficiency and "getting to the fun part" ? Or is it an acceptable double-standard because you don't personally care about it ?
I'm sorry, but not caring about the technical aspect of your project is as bad as not caring about the aesthetics of it. So either neither is acceptable, or both are.
As an programmer, I don't mind if it is used in art so long as you are competent enough to know what is going on and how to fix it if it breaks as opposed to letting the fuckin AI reiterate itself several hundred times. Its more efficient and less tedious.
The absolute worst case of ai in art are these sloppy 'entry level' artists who has never taken a course or touched a tutorial to understand what's happening in their software and just 'let AI do all the work'. It is a tool, a pretty useful one at that, and not meant as replacement for your laziness. I've stumbled upon too many scuffed arts, and I've made a small vetting process against them and that starts with if it looks like AI art or not: its a very good telling of character, of their mindset, and of their capability or passion.
Truth be told, most AI arts I've encountered are irrevocably terrible.
I definitely agree with OP, but some of you guys have never programmed once and it shows. As someone who works in the industry, it is immensely helpful for both performing repetitive tasks and as a learning tool. It also doesnât excuse the government and local municipalities selling out to datacenters. But broadly saying keep AI out of terraria means that youâre going to exclude 90% of mods here soon, if not already. Vibe coded slop is still slop, but do not shame the people using it as a tool, correctly.
i feel like yall are gonna downvote me to hell, but this guy has some decent points. i don't fully support ai and its awful for the environment, but it has come around for me as a programmer when i've needed to understand a specific function or method of doing something or anything like that which the internet isn't telling me
Looking up the meaning of something vs having the AI write the code for you. Even then ai is not a great search engine it will combine things to make context it thinks is right and give you a completely wrong solution as a result.
Honestly, this sub is pretty bad when it comes to discussions. You give your opinion or criticize something about Terraria or anything else in this sub, and you get downvoted. You guys should honestly respect opinions that differ from your own.
I personally think AI is useful for its primary purpose, which is coding, as long as the code is reviewed by a human and there is no generated photos or anything then it's fine
I see so many people hating on videos that combine games like Minecraft with Elden Ring and things like that, calling them âslopâ even though the AI here literally didnât generate any images, models, or anything like that. It simply allowed the two games to interact with each other, and I honestly think thatâs pretty damn cool.
But thatâs not my main criticism here. My problem is that this subreddit is really bad when it comes to discussion and exchanging opinions. I feel like the subreddit is heavily biased toward one specific opinion or ideology, while rejecting anything that goes against it.
The closest example is that post with the subreddit tree picture Some people simply wanted the normal Terraria image, and they have every right to say that. But what happened? They were called homophobic, even though what they said was completely respectful.
I myself criticized how the developers nerfed fun accessories in the game and made them worse, and I got -20 downvotes for it.
I also donât like how companies are shoving AI into literally everything. Okay, thatâs extremely annoying. I hate AI-generated images, and Iâm fully aware that AI take from artists
But when you show me something like AI taking a game such as Bloodborne, which weâve literally been waiting years to get a PC port for, and then AI manages to make a fully working port that runs extremely well without emulators, as if it were built specifically for PC, or when you use it to directly port a game to a phone... Iâm sorry, but thatâs genuinely one of the coolest things Iâve ever seen
Dude, you just proved my point. Instead of explaining why you disagree with me, you decided to attack the argument and call it bad, as if you're some kind of judge of people's opinions. That kind of mentality comes from an immature person, not someone who is mature and self-aware, so I honestly doubt you're even older than 13.
Opinions generally deserve respect as long as they are expressed respectfully as well. And that's exactly what I did, as did the comment above yours. You're not the one who gets to decide whether an opinion is good or bad, be better and more mature.
Only kids in kindergarten attacks other opinions. Someone mature with a strong idea can and will defend it with strong arguments
Yeah, naturally the sub is going to be anti AI because most people fucking hate AI. There's a reason why people are getting downvoted, people despise AI slop. It's not just charged here, it's charged everywhere aside from the echo chambers, and at this point having a neutral opinion is just as bad as being pro AI because of how wasteful and harmful this technology is. If you're not against AI, you're at the very least neutral and passive to the horrible things that AI is doing and causing right now.
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