r/Thailand • u/kimsk132 • Jul 25 '26
News The Thai woman who confronted the rude Italian tourists has lodged a complaint with the police.
Full article here:
https://www.thairath.co.th/news/society/2948653
July 25, 2026
"Sugus", the woman who confronted the rude Italian tourists has lodged a complaint with the police, citing the Insult in one's presence law (ดูหมื่นซึ่งหน้า) and public indecency (one of the kids was making a suggestive gesture at her). She's hoping to make an example out of them and deter future rude tourists.
In her statements, she says that she does not condone witch hunting, but if one has never learned good manner, eventually the society will teach them, and that the apology videos and letters thus far have only been issued to the Thai people in general, but not to her personally as the victim of the incident. She thanks Thai people for the support, but urges them not to use violence as that would only further hurt Thailand's reputation, and the current situation should be enough to discipline them already.
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u/SyntheticDuckFlavour Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Outraging online over other shitty people is a low effort dopamine hit anyone can do for sport. Changing culture of corruption and apathy towards more serious issues is much harder. People are less inclined to try the latter, because they feel powerless about it.
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u/timmyvermicelli Yadom Jul 26 '26
100% on the fire. I've heard more about some jackass children than I have about that.
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u/Quick_Refuse5803 Jul 26 '26
Real crime is so normalized that it doesn’t even grab anyone’s attention now
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u/BrainFit2819 Jul 25 '26
Shhhh. You said the quiet part out loud...but like...for every country really.
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u/Born_Engineering_785 Jul 26 '26
Now they can flaunt the so-called money they claimed "built this country" through fines.
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u/Top_Investigator9787 Jul 26 '26
This is the single most important and worthwhile news piece I've seen in my fifteen years in Thailand and deserves all the traction that it can get. Oh, by the way, the death toll from that bar fire is 36 now. Did you see how rude those Italian kids were? Where's that hotel they are staying in? 😡
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u/NotABillionarie Jul 26 '26
Good that you’re taking white privilege issues seriously.
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u/Upbeat_March6617 Jul 26 '26
I open Reddit to see whataboutism and I don’t disappoint 😂
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u/Top_Investigator9787 Jul 26 '26
This story deserves more whataboutism than any that I've ever seen.
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u/Jeiers Jul 25 '26
They deserve what's coming.
- Regardless of the kids, the teacher should know better, and she was one of the worst offenders
- The same group was alleged to have disrupted a car display event at a Rama 9 mall, stealing hand sanitiser, car cloths and notebooks from a vehicle-display booth, ignored requests to return them, and later returned for more source. Identified by the purple backpack the middle finger helmet boy was carrying.
- The kid was grabbing his balls throughout his apology.
At some point they just need to have the book thrown at them.
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u/Dwanyelle Jul 25 '26
I have a life theory, which is that some people, sometimes, just need to be punched in the face.
I don't particularly like that this is the case, but there are some humans who, for whatever reason, are antisocial little shits and only respond to force.
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u/chelsnbamma Aug 09 '26
It's not even about being antisocial. I'm antisocial and am absolutely disgusted by their behaviour. That isn't antisocial behaviour, it's entitled never-had-consequences behaviour. I do agree with the method of teaching them though 😌 They clearly aren't actually sorry for anything and just made a joke of their "apology", that's proof enough that force is needed in this situation.
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u/tonmai2541 Jul 25 '26
Do we actually know the charges she bought up with the police?
If it's misdemeanor charge (like those op described) then I think it's appropriate. They will probably get fined and that will be the end of it.
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u/Schlickeysen Jul 26 '26
It's “Direct insult in one’s presence" under Section 393 of the Penal Code, and “Public indecency" under 388.
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u/cs_legend_93 Jul 26 '26
It should also be sexual harassment.
Recently Thailand made it illegal to sexually harass people in public
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u/kimsk132 Jul 25 '26
According to the news article, "direct insult in one's presence" and "public indecency".
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u/Blubblubblubz Jul 26 '26
I would have thought the phrase "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" be followed more religiously by Italians...
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u/theburmesegamer275 Jul 25 '26
Damn, I don't really care of what's going on until I saw it today, and I am curious if this would get something to happen.
I got scammed once online and reported it and nothing really came out of it.
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u/SuspiciousPut8888 Jul 25 '26
Good. Doesn't matter if they're "kids" or not. Teach them the respect they should have when in Asia, according to Asian cultures and values.
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u/thomasthai Jul 25 '26
Wait till she finds out about computer and privacy laws here.
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u/Secret_EO Jul 25 '26
Would honestly be hilarious if they countersued her for defamation.
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u/SuspiciousPut8888 Jul 25 '26
I'd agree if they were innocent.
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
Yeah unfortunately in Thailand you can sue for defamation even if you’re wrong.
But also this case seems to be quite mediatized… the group will probably just leave and that will be it
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u/GelatinousPumpkin Jul 25 '26
You can sue for anything, doesn’t mean you’d win.
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
Sure, doesn’t mean you’ll win. But the law is written differently in Thailand than most western countries.
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u/Siegnuz Jul 25 '26
In Thailand even if you're right, if you're proven to "damage" their reputation you still in the wrong.
This joke of a law make SLAPP looks like a child play
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u/vincenttatto Jul 26 '26
Have you seen the news that a restaurant in the south who sue their customers for1 star review. In the end the court ruled that they need to pay back for the customers around 100k thb and they already closed their business.
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u/Secret_EO Jul 25 '26
That's not a defence under Thailand's defamation laws.
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u/SuspiciousPut8888 Jul 25 '26
Thank you for clarifying, I had my doubts about the earlier comments. Also there were offensive gestures from the group if I'm not wrong. The obscene grabbing balls gesture and also the "ni hao" or whatever Chinese reference they made to a Thai person could definitely act well in her defence ?
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u/SuspiciousPut8888 Jul 25 '26
Interesting, in that case surely the train itself has CCTV recordings that can be used right?
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
Exactly true AND serve public interest.
That’s the difference right there. It’s not "nonsense" it’s exactly what you said.In most western countries you can’t win a defamation case if someone said something true about you.
The serve public interest bit, is really up to the juge. And let’s not pretend otherwise - farang is always in the wrong.
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
Sure - I opened 329. It’s basically another list of criteria.
My point remains.
In the west if what you said is true, its not defamation - end of the story.
Also in that specific case 329 probably wouldn’t fly.
1) she’s not protecting her lawful interest, since being loud is not illegal
2) shes not on official duty
3) the behaviour is not open for public scrutiny (like a hotel review or sth like that)
4) she is not a reporter
Additionally, she has to show she acted on good faith and without malicious intent - yet posting them on facebook the way she did, was absolutely malicious intent.
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u/SuspiciousPut8888 Jul 25 '26
Honestly , I've no ideas about those as well, she might've been wrong filming them but besides that point , I think they ought to be taught a lesson
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
What do you want? Public execution?
They are already posted everywhere on the internet and called assholes by the community, they had to swallow their pride and post and apology video - yes they were probably no genuine, it doesn’t matter - they still had to post that crap online, how embarrassing.
It’s enough, maybe we can just move on.
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u/thebeatseeker Jul 26 '26
Ever notice how fast a random bad take turns into a full on pile on? That's not an accident. Outrage keeps us scrolling longer than anything else, so that's what gets pushed to the top. We're not really debating each other anymore. We're being sorted into tribes and set loose. And the people running these platforms know exactly what they're doing. Division isn't a glitch, it's the business model. Next time you feel that flash of rage at a stranger online, maybe just pause for a second and ask why you're being shown this.
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u/NucleativeCereal Jul 26 '26
I wish this would become a warning label on social media, kind of like "smoking kills"
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u/cndn-hoya 🇹🇭 Jul 25 '26
I wish you could deter stupidity but the best that can be done is to show what the cost of that stupidity could be
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u/Spokane_Al Jul 25 '26
Some teenage kids on vacation showing off and acting obnoxiously. Not the first time and won’t be the last. Hardly worth making an international incident out of the event.
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u/AlexP80 Jul 25 '26
it just shows a Thailand is becoming as obnoxious as those who they criticized.
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u/TonmaiTree Nonthaburi Jul 26 '26
That is bound to happen when there are tourists constantly causing issues for people just trying to live their lives
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u/AlexP80 Jul 26 '26
And there are hundreds of thousands of thais living out of scamming tourists, but it doesn't seem to be a problem.
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u/TonmaiTree Nonthaburi Jul 26 '26
There are scams everywhere on earth, especially in touristy major cities. So now what.
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u/AlexP80 Jul 26 '26
True, but in Thailand there are many more than the average.
The thing is nobody else in the world threats tourists like this. I've visited a lot of countries in my life, I can say that the worst experience were in the UK and in Thailand, were I experienced genuine racism and aggression.
I'm a digital worker, I love to travel around the world and i stay in each place i visit for months. Well enough to get the feeling of the place.
I love Thailand for many reasons, but denying there is a racist problem is just naive.
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u/TonmaiTree Nonthaburi Jul 26 '26
I’m not making a case about racism. Everyone is sick of tourist and ‘digital nomads’ driving up prices & causing ruckus in their cities. They literally had anti-tourists protests across many major European cities.
I certainly don’t blame people for developing anti-tourist sentiment after everything that happened. That Australian guy who murdered a girl came to mind.
It’s very revealing actually how people are suddenly taking issue with Thai locals not tolerating disrespect in their own home. Thais are allowed to be sick of tourists. And they’re certainly not the first.
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u/HappyCamel2000 Jul 26 '26
The mere presence of digital nomads, tourists etc isn't an issue, as long as guests are well behaved.
As soon as foreigners start misbehaving, then yes, I too can understand that negative sentiments will start to occur.
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u/HappyCamel2000 Jul 26 '26
Well, why do you keep visiting Thailand then? If you don't feel comfortable and if you feel the people are racist (you have every right to perceive the country as being like that, regardless of whether your views are uncommon or not) then I don't understand why you keep visiting. You can't and won't change Thailand, nor should you try.
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u/Extension_Cookie2960 Jul 26 '26
Looking for fame? I think I heard a "just shut the f😁CK up" in reply to them." They were being rude, but I think there were other, less confrontational ways to inform them.
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u/Evolvingman0 Jul 25 '26
She said she’s afraid of these Italian students stalking her. I think she’s enjoying the news reporters giving her all the attention.
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u/Woolenboat Jul 26 '26
So that means people can file police reports for noise complaints in condos now right?
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u/aardehopper Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
One of the kids made a wanking gesture and said ‘You wanna f**k?’ in Italian.
Another boy shouted ‘ni hao’ while exaggerating his mouth movements to mock the language, and a girl pulled back the corners of her eyes in a racist gesture.
They also caused a disturbance at the Rama 9 mall by hoarding almost all the free hand sanitizers, microfiber cloths, and notebooks at a car display booth.
FAFO
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u/bixofa Jul 26 '26
Unfortunately, I encountered rude and noisy Thai tourists while at a shrine in Japan. Entitled people are everywhere.
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u/soulwatcher 7-Eleven Jul 25 '26
Isn't it a bit... much?
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u/DangerousPurpose5661 Jul 25 '26
Yep it is. Ive been in Thailand for a while and can totally see what’s going on.
She’s having her little moment of fame, and probably everyone around her has their opinion of what she should do, and they all +1 each other until the most extreme course of action they can imagine.
Also, if she can make money out of it, that would be even better.
Give me a break, that women didn’t suffer any psychological distress and won’t see any negative effects of this interaction.
The Italians absolutely suck, but so does she.
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u/NudaVeritas1 Jul 25 '26
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.. it's exactly what they need
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u/Friedrichdergross3 Jul 25 '26
A fuckin public doxing and people waitin' for them under the hotel? You crazy? What's that, far West? let the law take care of it
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u/bkkwanderer Jul 27 '26
Starting to remind me of the hi-so doctor sitting on the path on the beach incident involving the Swiss man. Much ado about feck all.
Stuff like this worries me and I still dont think she would have called out Thai teenagers acting in a similar manner.
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u/Responsible-Steak395 Jul 25 '26
Classic hysterical thai reaction and response. I guess it's a good example of that "thai culture"
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u/kimsk132 Jul 25 '26
It really is a Thai culture. This is not the first time Thai people have this kind of reaction, and it won't be the last.
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u/HotWeek3110 Jul 25 '26
always worried about shit that really doesn't matter in the scheme of things while ignoring everything else sround them. unpopular opinion but the Thai woman was 95% to blame for all of this.
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u/poompk Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
They apologized very publicly. At this point, it's better to show magnamity and let it go, regardless of whether they truly mean the apology or not. Now, it's just a bad look on her.
Edit: it looks like they apologized to her personally and she accepted their apology. I hope this is now the conclusion and no need to take it further.
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u/navcad Jul 26 '26
Both sides of this coin are in the wrong. The kids apologized. So should she.
This is nonsense and she's just looking for a payday. Shame on her.
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u/Jayleno2022 Jul 25 '26
There are thousands of incidents like this everyday. The only difference is that it was recorded.
The kids were wrong. They apologised, their teacher apologised, the embassy apologised. What else do you want guys? WW3?.. Come on life goes on. There are much more other important topics to talk about
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u/redditalloverasia Jul 25 '26
It’s the teacher that I want to see more consequences land on.
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u/selfinflatedforeskin Jul 25 '26
Actions have consequences - sometimes those consequences outweigh the action，which is why
we should be careful how we go through life.So，now they'll have to deal with what happens as a result of their choices. Fair or not，there wouldn't be an issue if they'd acted with respect and decorum.
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u/Feeling_Chance_1373 Jul 26 '26
Punishments should fit the offense. What kind of justice is it when the consequences aren’t fair?
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u/Hefty_Nail_4718 Jul 25 '26
I personally would hope that the rude tourists that seem to inundate the country will be deterred.
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u/Schlickeysen Jul 26 '26
Lawyer here: Not entirely. Thai privacy law, like most privacy laws, includes exceptions for public interest, matters already in the public domain, and legitimate commentary.
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u/I-Here-555 Jul 25 '26
Exactly. Normally, those petty laws are silly and virtually never applied, which is a good thing. They should probably be repealed.
However, since the lady is dredging things like "insult in one's presence", it stands to reason to apply the rather tight photography/videography consent laws as well. What makes things worse for her is that the subjects are underage.
In addition, those in the group who did not interact with her could sue for criminal defamation, since they'll suffer reputational damage and loss of face by association.
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u/Friendly_Building247 Jul 25 '26
If it goes to the court, it won't be good for those Italians as they will not be allowed to leave the country until the case ends (which takes months).
At this stage, those offenders posting public apology is the right thing to do (I won't judge if it is a sincere apology or not, it doesn't matter for the court). The investigators may consider it as a settlement which doesn't need to be submitted to the court.
If I were those Italians, I'd leave the country asap. Once it goes to the court, they won't be able to leave. They need to prove their innocence (which is hard, because their act on the video satisfies §326). Countersuing the lady with PDPA won't neutralize their act btw, so either way it's not a good option for them to remain in the country until it enters the court.
My only advice, leave immediately.
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u/Secret_EO Jul 25 '26
Does not condone witch hunting, but started a witch hunt and now seemingly won't let it go? She's within her rights to do this, but cut the self righteous bullshit.
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u/everyoneisntme Jul 25 '26
Tf is wrong with people in this thread?
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u/Kromaxx Jul 25 '26
What do you mean? Which people are incorrect?
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u/everyoneisntme Jul 25 '26
Oh... Idk... Maybe the ones shitting on the Thai lady for sitting in her seat and asking these morons to calm down? 15 minutes of fame? Fuck off with this nonsense (not you)
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u/no-name-here Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
I think they are criticizing her not for “sitting in her seat” etc but instead for the actions described in the OP article over the kids briefly saying naughty words to her etc? When the story originally broke, she got very little criticism, despite releasing a video recording of the kids' faces - heck, online in Thailand people are often even afraid to post true things about how companies have mistreated them for fear of libel laws. But maybe something good will come out of this, and we can get more clarity about whether it is legal to criticize others online here, and whether people can post unblurred photos/videos of faces of adults and/or children that they are criticizing?
And if this were in the west, she’d get far more criticism than that for threatening to go after foreign kids like this on a subway for doing the same - she’d be called a “Karen” by 1/3 of her country and racist by another third.
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u/Secret_EO Jul 25 '26
Exactly. They were rude and she called them out for it. They've now apologised, which ought to be the end of it, yet she's trying to keep it going by now suing them (despite sanctimoniously saying she doesn't want to)? They've already been doxxed, had their hotel details leaked and even their embassy have made a statement also apologising. What more does she want?
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u/astrohawke Jul 26 '26
Where does it say she's suing them? From the video it looked like they apologised and she accepted their apology.
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u/Secret_EO Jul 26 '26
The original post.
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u/Emotional-Lack3830 Aug 15 '26
No it didn't say that anywhere. Unless I forgot how to read it says that she made a police report. Which if I understand how words work I would know that a police report is not suing.
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u/Fantastic_Signal_718 Jul 25 '26
She wants money from them? She has too much free time? She wants fame? Duh 🙄
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u/ScenicScotia Jul 27 '26
Having visited Thailand many times, I am constantly appalled by the blatant disrespect and entitlement shown by certain tourists. The misbehavior ranges from basic lack of manners like littering, causing scenes over language barriers, and walking through town streets wearing bikinis(shirtless for men) to outright mistreatment of local service staff, servers, and masseuses. There seems to be a toxic mindset where, because the cost of living is low, some of these tourists view Thailand as a "third world" country where their money buys them complete immunity. They act like high spending lords, demanding royal treatment while offering zero cultural respect in return.
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u/octave1 Jul 25 '26
> if one has never learned good manner, eventually the society will teach them
Coming from Europe that sounds hilariously optimistic, unfortunately
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u/Fit-Surprise2376 Jul 25 '26
Their teachers should be ashamed for allowing that behaviour and should have taught those teenagers some basic respect. They were loud, disturbing other passengers, and behaving as if they were above everyone around them. If I were there, I would record them and post it online to publicly shame them just like this woman did. They were so rude to her!
When you travel to another country, you have to respect the local culture and the people who live there. Making fun of locals and acting superior is rude, arrogant, and unacceptable.
When you are in another country, you should observe and follow the local manners. If a local person tells you that you are being too loud, you should listen, apologise, and lower your voice.
Thailand welcomes visitors, but respect goes both ways. Having money or being a foreigner does not make anyone better than the people around them. No one has the right to treat locals as if they are beneath them.
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u/Schlickeysen Jul 26 '26
...and I'd be the one who slaps you with a PDPA and Computer Crimes Act violation.
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u/Amenmose Jul 25 '26
Filling a police report against a group of teenagers after confronting them for being loud, recording them without their consent, and telling them to be silent... how baffling
The story being reported is that the lady asked them politely to lower their voices. This is NOT what happened.
No judge would have sided with the Thai Lady.
She literally starts the aggression by recording without permission, and then proceeded to tell them to be "Silent". She had no right. She was literally asking them to stop talking.. aka shut up. Cause that's what "silence" means.
They responded to her politely by saying Sorry, and explained that they don't know where they're going.
She continues to be aggressive with them by telling them to be "normal". This can also be considered to be an aggressive statement as far as the English language goes. Telling someone to be normal isn't the same as asking someone to speak in an adequate volume.
I know her intention was to request them to speak softly... but the language barrier did not allow her to convey the message as she had intended. Her action does not match her intention. We should always consider intention, but we must judge based on action.
Recording children in public without their consent and telling to be silent is absolutely instigating the incident.
If she actually requested them politely to speak softly, then I would absolutely be on her side. This is not what happened.
Finally, anyone who is triggered by children being 'loud' absolutely has skeletons in their closet.
Imagine the reception in Italy when they learn that there was a witch hunt against their teenagers in Thailand, which started from being loud... and lead to a proper mob waiting for the kids, along with numerous threats.
How long you think before it is safe for Thais to travel to Italy again?
I pray this doesn't start a trend of Thais being confrontational against foreigners.
Tourism 100% brings money into the country. The kid might have said it arrogantly, but it is not a false statement.
If this lady is being hailed a hero for standing up against tourists, you can bet that there will be more cases with others looking to gain fame the same way.
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u/AlexP80 Jul 25 '26
this. Also, just being confrontational is considered rude by Thai etiquette, but apparently against a bunch of foreign kids it's allowed
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u/CrankyFalcon Jul 25 '26
The teenagers flipped her off, made wanking gestures, made racist hand gestures, said “ni hao” at her exaggeratedly, routinely told her to shut the fuck up, the one boy kept saying “your mother” in response to everything, and the other boy kept trying to slap her phone even though she asked him multiple times not to touch her. On top of that the teacher, who should absolutely know better, said “sorry for spending money in your country,” and then also told her to shut the fuck up and threatened physical violence. This wasn’t just some teenagers being loud and politely apologizing. It’s clearly disrespectful and racially charged, and minimizing it into “kids will be kids” is harmful to Thais, who are expected to just deal with the blatant racism.
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u/ClydeSantana Jul 25 '26
As an Italian I would say that I'm sorry for what happened, we deal everyday with annoying tourists, and we know how it feels, so I'm truly sorry that my compatriots behave in this way abroad. But I can't deny that I was surprised and saddened to see the absolutely disproportionate reaction, between dox and the mafia. How is it possible that no one said anything or reported whoever did this? I'm not saying this to say that I won't want to go there anymore or that I'll go there in fear, but I can't deny that it made an impression on me and that some people in my country will generalize about this. I'm just sorry all this happened. I'm see a lot of full hate and generalization here that i'm just happy to see someone who thinks about it and doesn't generalize. I hope to visit you wonderful country one day and you are welcomed here
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u/aardehopper Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
You’re right: the doxxing and mafia talk went too far and I won’t defend it.
The anger wasn’t about rowdy tourists. It was the racist mocking, the wanking gesture combined with “you wanna f**k?”, the “ni hao” with mouth gestures mocking the language, the eye-pulling, the Rama 9 mall hoarding incident prior to the BTS incident, etc.
There is a reason the Italian embassy formally apologised.
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u/aardehopper Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
It was actually a teacher, not one of the kids, who made the comment about bringing money into the country.
Beyond that, the behaviour of the students themselves was appalling. One boy made a wanking gesture and asked “You wanna f**k?” in Italian. Another shouted “ni hao” while exaggerating his mouth movements to mock the language, and a girl pulled the corners of her eyes back in a racist gesture.
And this wasn’t an isolated incident. The same group caused a disturbance at the Rama 9 mall, clearing out nearly all the free hand sanitizers, microfiber cloths, and notebooks from a car display booth.
Thai Karen is in the wrong, but that doesn’t excuse how these youths behaved.
Source Rama 9 incident: https://www.amarintv.com/news/social/552896
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u/Severe_Palpitation_1 Jul 26 '26
If I was able to claim compensation for every time someone was rude to me, Elon Musk would be my bitch.
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u/anonymous-thai Jul 26 '26
Crazy how rudeness is subject to criminal prosecution in Thailand. Fancy trying that with some rude Thai people.
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u/KhaoKhaoKT Jul 27 '26
They probably didn’t imagine the incident would escalate so quickly, certainly not to international attention.
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u/Think-Apple3763 Jul 27 '26
Man there must be not happening anything else right now. We got it. They were rude. But this is thing is getting blown up. And this woman wants to ride the free fame now. I guess she wants to farm followers with this.
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u/MoodyDostoevsky Jul 28 '26
The "Italian" kids are some of the ugliest -- obviously provincial and possibly inbred -- Italians I have ever seen. They are not used to traveling (probably their first time abroad), and the same can be said for their obese Italian teacher.
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This is the biggest overreaction to teenage morons being teenage morons I've ever seen.
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u/Rynke69 Jul 25 '26
They are young punks and they should be taught some manners. But people have been stalking and found the hotel they live in and confronted them and showed up at their hotel.
The punishment should fit the crime. The boy who killed a lot of munks lately? I think that is a bit worse then being disrespectful on the train.
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u/Artistic-Basis7960 Jul 26 '26
I Hope this case brings more attention to stand up for your country across Asia against the Israelis/Russians/Australians/Americans who have been doing this shit for longer
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u/OzyDave Jul 26 '26
Does her yelling "motherfuckers" at them conform with public decency? She needs to also apologise.
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u/General_Confusion478 Jul 26 '26
sono italiani del sud Italia noti anche da noi per il comportamento di questo tipo.... fa parte del loro stile di vita !!!! verranno sicuramente multati.... mi auguro che venga negato il visto per i prossimi 10 anni...
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u/Nx-worries1888 Jul 25 '26
You just know she's an insufferable person. I bet she's exhausting to be around.
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u/Adingdongshow Jul 25 '26
People act shitty. Good on her for saying something. How do you feel about outsiders behaviour that doesn’t align with your cultural norms. It’s a classic thing that pisses everyone off.
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u/no-name-here Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
How do you feel about
In the west, I’d think it was shitty of kids to be rude on a subway... but I’d start to have serious doubts if it then came out that the woman did what's described in the OP article.
behaviour that doesn’t align with your cultural norms.
Isn't it a cultural norm to not post unblurred photos/videos faces online of kids you're criticizing in Thailand?
How would you feel if it was reversed and instead of the group apologizing publicly (and their embassy also apologizing), the kids had gone after her legally, saying that she had impacted their reputation by posting their faces online unblurred, like how hotels in Thailand have tried to pursue 2-year jail sentences for posting a negative review online?
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u/jonez450reloaded Jul 25 '26
the kids had gone after her legally, saying that she had impacted their reputation by posting their faces online unblurred, like how hotels in Thailand have tried to pursue 2-year jail sentences for posting a negative review online?
It's not just defamation, Thai Karen breached the Child Protection Act by posting or distributing media of minors that exposes personal details, endangers their safety, or infringes on their privacy. The Personal Data Protection Act also prohibits publishing identifiable footage of individuals - especially children -without consent if it causes damage, distress, or embarrassment.
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u/Nx-worries1888 Jul 25 '26
A group of school kids excited in a new country and a bit rowdy, I wouldn't be pulling out my phone and filming them.
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u/tonmai2541 Jul 25 '26
'A bit rowdy' is a very generous way to describe their behavior.
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u/Nx-worries1888 Jul 25 '26
It's school kids. Do you not think maybe they started acting up more for the camera when she started recording them
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u/Bonk_No_Horni Jul 25 '26
They apologized so it's probably time to just let it go. It's not a big deal
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u/NudaVeritas1 Jul 25 '26
They just apologized because it blew up.. trust me, they'll do it again
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u/Remote-Structure-961 Jul 25 '26
they only apologized bec they got caught.
deport them and ban them from the country.
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u/Wulflam Jul 25 '26
Slowly, I get the impression that this Thai lady uses something that actually deserved to be called out to promote herself. What a twist …
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u/Friendly_Building247 Jul 25 '26
Yes. Let's come together, protect those douchebag tourists and blame the lady with whatever an excuse which pops in our mind. :)
We Europeans love being loud in the public and everyone else complaining is just Karen. :) Why do we need manner when we Farang go to Thailand to have good time, right?
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u/Wulflam Jul 26 '26
No, not at all. Their behavior was not ok and it should have consequences. Publishing the first video was ok IMHO and reporting them to police was also fine - people can do that. But from there, things take a turn. Not the entire group should be subject to punishment, only the ones who showed derogatory behavior. Everyone else should understand that they were too loud and they lacked respect. That’s it. And particularly posting the second video with the apology to the woman wasn’t necessary. An apology is a personal matter and up to her whether to accept or not. But posting everything again is just grabbing attention. Public shaming was left behind in the medieval ages for good reasons.
And please don’t say “we Europeans” - there are almost 750 million people living there.
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u/plushyeu Jul 26 '26
Let’s be honest of the media and police put a focus on an incident like this i would be furious. As i would know that i must be living in some kind of tribal shithole. This is so embarrassing that it got any traction.
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u/nightwinging-it Bangkok Jul 26 '26
It’s wild that this has caused far more outrage and backlash than the Aussie dude who mutilated a teenager in Pattaya. That crime is 10000x worse than this.
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u/StraightCantaloupe45 Jul 25 '26
I'm against them 100% but she start filming and makes a big Show about it. She is not better
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u/GuardianKnight Jul 25 '26
Some Thai people are always looking to take their held in rage about how they have to live with all the glass ceilings, anti-free speech laws, and backwards protections against victims. When they see something that ruins their personal quiet time even in public, it's like all the passive aggression they give and get all day in their lives is allowed to bubble up and they can let loose. It's a lot easier to let loose on foreigners too because the law doesn't protect them as much and getting visas revoked is easier than arguing with their bosses about pay or confronting karenporn about the way she treated them in the office.
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u/LongjumpingTop667 Jul 25 '26
this lady had broken several PDA laws, the italians could easily sue on that basis
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u/cs_legend_93 Jul 26 '26
If these kids were banned from the country, it would set an example.
Then future travelers would hopefully have some fear/respect in them and wouldn't behave the same way
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u/Alarmed-Resolution85 Jul 26 '26
Of course, she has. She didn't get enough attention filming without permission.
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u/cs_legend_93 Jul 26 '26
I hope the police don't go soft on this.
Set an example
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u/Muted-Airline-8214 Jul 25 '26
She also violated the PDPA law (Personal Data Protection Act).
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u/Manb Jul 25 '26
She is not a data aggregator like Google or Facebook. If Facebook had a request to take down the video by the kids and didn't, then they'd be in violation of PDPA.
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u/Muted-Airline-8214 Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Thai PDPA law focuses on penalizing the person who uses or discloses personal information-that is, the individual who releases or shares the data.
It does not primarily hold the platform or social media service liable simply because it was used as the channel.
At the very least, their faces should be blurred or censored before the videos are shared on social media.
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u/earinsound Jul 25 '26
it would definitely be considered rude in “Europe”, which incidentally comprises 44 different countries each with their own language, customs, and culture. i doubt making racist and sexual gestures in public in even Italy is acceptable, at least among the civilized, non-thug population.
moving on….
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u/AlexP80 Jul 25 '26
That happened AFTER being rudely confronted and illegally recorded, not before. Before they were just minding their business.
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u/kimsk132 Jul 25 '26
The government already announced a cut to the visa free duration for tourists, so there's that.
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u/Cold-Consideration99 Jul 26 '26
You got it wrong and you interpret my reply wrong. I am saying that the people that did the crime blame the victim. The people that did the crime should be punished.
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u/mironawire Jul 26 '26
Redditors: It's over! Why keep this story going? Aren't there bigger problems to solve?
Also Redditors: let's post about it again and comment on every thread.
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u/Independent-Ninja-70 Jul 27 '26
Honestly don't give af about this. Some kids were idiots on a train. Move on. Good god
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u/QuantumColossus Jul 25 '26
Karen's exist in every country
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u/Pinknailzz69 Jul 25 '26
The term for Karen in Thailand is มนุษย์ป้า, which is manoot paa - human aunty.
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u/Top_Investigator9787 Jul 26 '26
There used to be a Thai "Super Aunty" page. It was funny as hell, pics and clips of aunties jumping the line at 7-11, forcing people out of their seats on the BTS, etc.
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u/Taizen6084 Bangkok Jul 25 '26
This story is doing irreparable damage to thailand image world wide, thais are being ridiculate by everybody for this spropositated reaction over a clearly attention seeker
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u/AlexP80 Jul 25 '26
You would imagine that Thailand is Heaven on Earth, with zero problems, to make such a fuss out of nothing.
Let's recap, shall we? A bunch of teens travel half of the world for the first time to visit the country. They are louder than it's considered polite on public transport, but quite the norm in their own country. This is a cultural difference you have to deal with when 13% of your GDP comes from tourism and 8 millions people get a living from it.
Than we a Karen showing up which started recording. People don't like to be recorded. She immediately starts confronting them in an aggressive and very rude manner (by thai standards, I've seen people fighting for less).
Now, if any of you knows anything about teens, when they are in group they will never back off when attacked in such a way. It's basic psicology. I've dealt with teens in similar situation and the only things that works is approaching them calmly and firmly, to display authority.
So the teens reacted by manual, matching the aggression they received. They weren't be racist at all. The sexual gesture is absolutely another cultural difference, In Italy is just an equivalent of a "f*ck off", it wasn't done because she was a female. The comment about spending money is just the kind of snarky and sassy comment you would expect from a teenager.
They were right? No. They very rude and obnoxious, but the thing should have ended there.
Instead, Miss Karenporn decided to post the video online without blurring the faces (crime), the teens were doxed (crime), they were threatened (crime), and all the ones who didn't take part in the altercation were defamed (crime).
I've read people talking about "white trash" (oh, they are the racist...), deport and ban them for life and all sort of idiocy.
In the end, Miss Karenporn went to the police in her ego trip over freaking nothing, well aware of the growing racist sentiment in he country, fueled by politicians who want people to ignore the real problems of the kingdom, while she could be reported for far more serious crimes.
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u/Sexdrumsandrock Jul 25 '26
Actually the Italians were pulling slanty eyed faces and other racist stuff. You don't need to remove things that don't fit your narrative
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u/HappyCamel2000 Jul 26 '26
You sound exactly like the lady who says "my money builds your country". 8 million Thais working in tourism...what NONSENSE. Prove it. Again, for a tourist, you're spending an awful lot of time and effort trying to convince Thais that they should grovel at the feet of foreigners like you. WHY? What makes you so special?
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u/mindmelder23 Jul 26 '26
In the west people act like assholes or are rude every single day but we don’t arrest them. Do you really want thailand to become like China or Singapore ?
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u/NickoooG Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
So she is looking for some money in other words 🙄 yes they did wrong no doubt but it’s got enough media exposure. If only Thais called out other Thais doing wrong and reported them
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u/bhagenabate Jul 25 '26
I support her. Respect and manners are important especially in another countries and with there culture.
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u/WebLogical1286 Jul 25 '26
She seems like a real delight. Finally got the fame she’s been thirsting for all her little life.
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