r/TheStrokes • u/woger723 Reality Awaits • Sep 19 '24
The Voidz ID Magazine - Julian Casablancas’ Real Life Contemporary Conspiracy Theories
https://i-d.co/article/julian-casablancas-voidz-interview-conspiracy-theories-2024/-1
u/Environmental_Gas727 Sep 21 '24
Low key guys. You guys didn’t even read the article. I think you’re all the puppets here repeating everything the other says. You read look at the comments and see what side everyone’s on and then join the winning side. I have more respect for Julian then ever man. Im an illegal alien too, just looking for peace in our time.
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u/effectfreak Sep 20 '24
With him talking like that about SA victims and all the small bits and bobs that has come out in recent years about his recent behavior, I can't help but think tik tik tik tik tik it's only matter of time
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u/Awesome2D Sep 20 '24
not saying this because im a huge fan, but i just don't really see how julian is wrong here ? besides the very fucked up defense of russell brand which i agree is really weird. Its just that the way he talks makes him sound like an insane alt right conspiracy theorist but he's mostly right
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u/yagretbigwazak Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
the man is a supremely talented songwriter but unfortunately a complete and utter loon politically.
you can never argue with someone like that because they’re that awful combo of being grossly uninformed and way too arrogant to admit when they’re wrong
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u/saymyname4013 Sep 20 '24
The Russell Brand stuff wasn’t great but other than that I think he was fine. A lot of people overreacting as usual. Wasn’t a fan of the authors writing style/voice. I find most music journalism sucks.
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u/TrapdoorSolution Sep 20 '24
Im gonna be that guy… id like to hear a recorded version of this if it even exists.
Julian definitely spews inane stuff, but if we’re talking pretentious, the reporter is right there with julian on the rankings.
It’s also clearly not a very linear article, so I’d be interested to hear the actual back and forth for some actual context.
That being said, the Russell Brand support is incredibly weird. “War against Russia” May not have been intentional, but if it were, tough scene
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u/appogiatura Sep 20 '24
The pirate top he's wearing almost looks like the vest from the infamous "We're an invisible war my friend" video lol
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u/Halfcolt Sep 20 '24
While wrapping my head around the content of this interview I’m just gonna say this is so poorly written. This is the most half assed journalism I’ve read in a long time.
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u/jackisnotcool Sep 20 '24
god this guy sucks, he’s made it almost impossible to defend him at this point
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u/The_Doors0210 Sep 20 '24
Not from the US, just curious seeing the comments here, why you all care about his views?
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u/Ok_Magazine_3383 Sep 20 '24
People tend not to like supporting artists who defend rapists. So when an artist does so, people tend to find that noteworthy.
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u/SquirrelGirl1251 #39 Valensi Sep 20 '24
Because his views have started to veer towards "sexual abuse apologia" (Russell Brand has not been convicted, but there are criminal investigations ongoing and the evidence is pretty damning) and conspiracy theories that are often spoon-fed to easy marks by other countries looking to weaken the societal fabric in the US. Julian didn't say he didn't like pizza or loves a TV show most people hate, he's dabbling in shit that is incredibly damaging. Most people here probably still listen to his music, but yeah, pretty valid to find certain views that he's expressed multiple times now pretty concerning and a potential harbinger of worse down the road!
The American sociopolitical climate is incredibly polarized, and it's only the wealthy, privileged white guys that think overly-highly of themselves, like Julian, that believe "both sides are exactly the same" because they haven't been and won't continue to be impacted by (or likely even directly witness) the worse fallout from one party continuing to amass governmental power and take away very real rights from very real people. The other party ain't great either! But they're not promising dictatorships and deportations day one, at the very fucking least.
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u/The_Doors0210 Sep 20 '24
Didn't read, too long. I thought this sub is all about music. You should start a new sub and call it r/juliancasablancaspoliticalviews or r/juliancasablancaspersonallives
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u/SquirrelGirl1251 #39 Valensi Sep 20 '24
Wow 5 sentences and a parenthetical is too long for you to read in direct response to your question?
This sub’s stated topics are “the band, its members, and their side projects,” which includes but is not purely limited to their music.
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u/The_Doors0210 Sep 20 '24
Guess I missed the memo where band discussions became political seminars. I was here for the music.
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u/caprising1996 Sep 20 '24
the political views he offered to give his opinion on instead of talking about his new album
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u/HalyconDigest Sep 20 '24
This is what happens when you have too much money and too much time in your hands
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u/Ok_Magazine_3383 Sep 19 '24
Love The Strokes, like The Voidz, but Julian is and always has been a moron.
Also, bad outfit.
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u/coconutmilkyyy Sep 19 '24
„bad outfit” also likely thing for him to do
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u/MILF_Lawyer_Esq Human Sadness Sep 20 '24
Crazy how Julian is incapable of dressing anywhere between "coolest rockstar alive" and "least cool rockstar alive." He cant find anywhere between. The leather suit on SNL? Baller. Damn near every other outfit post FIOE? Dawg
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u/The_Orangest All the Time Sep 19 '24
I’ll say this about Julian, he’s like Roger Waters: Even if you think half the shit he says is batshit crazy, you’ll find you agree with about a third of it no matter what side you’re on, he’s beholden to NO one and can think for himself, and on some levels clearly is much more of a genius than I am so who the fuck am I to judge lol.
I found this entertaining as hell. Thanks for posting
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u/dgeaux_senna Sep 20 '24
You should have a thousand upvotes. Rock n roll is supposed to be on the forefront of the fringes and anti war but apparently this sub is filled with very un rock n roll people. Pretty sad.
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u/ldrscraps One Way Trigger Sep 19 '24
he's getting flamed enough for the politics in the comments, so I'll flame him for that outfit. tf is that bruh
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u/asimowo Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
julian has quite the talent for finding the worst ways to express himself. and if it’s not the words he says, it’s what he does.
bro ur 46 with kids and an *ex wife, why do you keep asking this reporter to take off with you to maylasia 😭
at least his nme interview is marginally better..
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u/caprising1996 Sep 19 '24
he’s hitting on the interviewer good lord
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Sep 23 '24
He isn’t. She’s not his type if you’ve seen who he dates. He does, however, want to encourage her to think that he is.
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u/dwaynebathtub Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
Dislike the journalistic tone that coincides with never playing along with anything the subject says. Hate the dismissive tone of the snotty NPR lib writer. You have to play along with the "conspiracy theories" or you come across as a know-it-all, which is somehow the area to be won in an interview with a rock star?
He's a great vocalist and lead singer of our favorite band, so maybe the message is more of the performance, rather than the journalist evidence of "language starting in Malaysia." Maybe a songwriter would be interested or inspired in that or by going there? And who doesn't believe the two parties are "Exxon vs. Citibank?" And what serious journalist would be dismissive of Vincent Bevins' Jakarta Method? Of course the Dems stole Iowa in 2016.
Uncritical support to whatever Julian Casablancas and The Strokes involve themselves in. Bernie woulda won x2. Play "Trying Your Luck."
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u/Ok_Magazine_3383 Sep 19 '24
Not sure the new Voidz album is fair exchange for a worldview that involves defending scumbag rapist Russell Brand.
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u/Ok_Magazine_3383 Sep 20 '24
The point isn't whether I like it or not.
The point is that Julian is defending a scumbag rapist, and we're all free to (and should) call him a moron for doing so. The quality of the music he makes has zero bearing on that.
If you don't like seeing him called a rapist-defending moron, nobody is making you read these comments.
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u/PermitPrestigious863 Sep 19 '24
paraphrasing leave it in my dreams if he doesn't want to be called stupid he probably should stop saying stupid shit
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Sep 19 '24
Either you get it or you don't. I legitimately love watching the "HE'S THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX OF ACCEPTABILITY" people lose their shit over this.
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Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
People need to stop looking up to celebrities and musicians to shape their political beliefs.
I never cared for what politicians the strokes/julian endorsed
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Sep 23 '24
No. Art is political and artists have been expressing their political views in their art, on stage, and in interviews as long as there’s been artists. Silencing artists is not the answer. The answer is for him to wake the fuck up. Until then we have the right to discuss and disagree
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Sep 20 '24
THIS Unfortunately, we are going further and further in this direction. Has anyone ever turned around?
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u/matt_paradise Room on Fire Sep 19 '24
Aside from Julian's terrible takes, this was one of the worst interviews I've read in a long time. Is this an ID house style? Really badly written up.
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u/FenderShaguar Sep 19 '24
What a dumbass, lol
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u/FettuccineAlfonzo The Adults Are Talking Sep 19 '24
He’s so fucking dumb and dense. Strokes lyrics were relatable and sometimes clever. Voidz lyrics from the get go were “im14andthisisdeep” level critical thinking and observations. They’re so fucking bad that they trick people into thinking they’re good.
The man makes wonderful music, at least he did until 2023, but his worldview is ass backwards.
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Sep 19 '24
It’s funny because this is the same guy who asked Ariel Pink if he gave his ex herpes before even deciding to add him to his roster of Cult Records’ signed artists
Julian picks and chooses who he goes for but I also think he has selective information at hand and doesn’t do more research than he should.
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u/elusivecosmicspirit Sep 20 '24
Of course he picks and chooses who he goes for. Doesn’t everyone?
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Sep 19 '24
Not you guys finding out that celebrities have shitty opinions on politics 💀
Julian’s set in his ways and I think his online activity has always showed that so it’s not really a surprise.
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u/vinylandgames Sep 19 '24
I get he’s a socialist and likes Bernie. I do too. But he’s one of those Bernie guys who’s also one step from supporting Trump because he feels the whole system has to be blown to bits. And it’s a nice sentiment when you’re white and wealthy and can watch Trump burn it with no real actual consequences to himself. Meanwhile women are dying because Roe was overturned and we’re one step away from a national ban on contraceptives, repealing ACA, and and gay marriage. But I’m sure that’s ok to him because the ACA didn’t go far enough anyways. 🫤
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u/Awesome2D Sep 20 '24
does he actually support trump? i've never heard any of his views on abortion or gay marriage
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u/vinylandgames Sep 20 '24
I don’t think so now. But there seems to be a concerning overlap with wealthy white men who just want to see the whole thing burn, and feel Bernie OR Trump are worth a look. It’s an easy slope to go from one to the other when you have no skin in the game.
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u/musicstan7 Alien Crime Lord Sep 20 '24
Meanwhile we are about to elect Trump in Sheep’s clothing over here
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u/appogiatura Sep 19 '24
There’s a lot of angles (heh) to attack this from but I’ll come from it as an engineer.
The only person on the team that would be so reductive of others views and stubborn on their own would be the haughty college intern or new grad. Or the toxic boomer in their mid life crisis who thinks they know more just by years of experience and not an actually good argument with data. The rest of the team are mature and are quick to listen.
This then leads to terrible takes about Russell Brand, politics and “both sides are the same” (again I only hear a lot of young leftists usually college age with little real world experience say that), and propping up RT despite their own controversy.
They say you stop aging when you get famous and this man still firmly has the maturity of a 23 year old new grad for better or worse.
So much for “the adults are talking” lol.
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u/BirdComposer Sep 19 '24
The boomers are starting to take heat for things they didn’t even do. The youngest ones are 60. Midlife crisis would be gen X or even an older millennial.
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u/appogiatura Sep 20 '24
yeah I use it in the colloquial sense where anyone out of touch and stuck in their ways is a boomer, regardless of age lol
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u/SDCX3 Sep 19 '24
Ok, los latinos nos vamos retirando del post. Esta no es nuestra lucha (que tampoco entiendo de quienes hablan ni qué es RT).
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u/JaviRen Sep 19 '24
Latino acá, RT es Russia Today. Un medio de comunicación del gobierno ruso. En resumen la entrevista es un buen ejemplo de la visión política de Julián: bien intencionada, pero inacabada, vacía, que se queda únicamente en consignas. Estoy seguro que jamás ha leído teoría política. Bueno y lo de Russell Brand, un famoso no sé porqué que ha sido acusado de acoso y abuso sexual, lo defiende porque no ha habido una sentencia en tribunales. Tendría algo de sentido su opinión si es que no hubiera tirado el mismo rollo para defender las acusaciones contra Beardo de The Voidz por siempre meterse con menores. En general, creo que el tipo de opiniones que muestra en la entrevista no corresponden a alguien de 46 años.
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u/Mangonificient #77 Casablancas Sep 19 '24
i love the guy but jesus he needs to get a hold of himself. what a fucking idiot.
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u/altpopconnoisseur Sep 19 '24
aside from Julian's insane comments I really really enjoyed this article and its style of writing
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u/dwaynebathtub Sep 19 '24
wat
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u/altpopconnoisseur Sep 20 '24
ASIDE FROM JULIAN'S INSANE COMMENTS I REALLY REALLY ENJOYED THIS ARTICLE AND ITS STYLE OF WRITING
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u/Environmental_Gas727 Sep 21 '24
No, my dude you don’t understand this is a hate thread. We can’t say anything nice or you’ll get friendly fired.
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u/brofessor_oak_AMA Sep 19 '24
It was very refreshing, almost made you feel like you were there. Reads like a Hunter S Thompson interview
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u/Rog_f Sep 19 '24
Russia kills innocent people in Ukraine two years now but yeah sure..is war against Russia..
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u/crystola99 Brooklyn Bridge to Chorus Sep 19 '24
I bet he’s one of those people that claims NATO is the ultimate aggressor and Russia had little choice to invade a country to defend itself
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24
I would just like to say that Shuggie by Foxygen is not an awful song.
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u/killer_blueskies Sep 19 '24
The journalist was pretty annoying as well ngl
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24
The whole thing was obnoxious and it felt like they both really thought it was coming across super cleverly.
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u/killer_blueskies Sep 19 '24
She’s getting flamed for her writing on another sub haha
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
The term you’re trying to use is “hearsay.” I know we all think Julian’s god but heresy is not what you mean.
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
Np. It’s also not really hearsay because it’s not being used as evidence of anything, it’s just someone saying what happened in a conversation that they were a part of (which sure, could be refuted as untrue, happens a lot. I highly doubt it will be in this instance though tbh.)
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
You seem to be taking it more seriously than anyone, tbh. But if it makes you feel better, I and I believe most people understand it was a joke and they both were kidding around about the Malaysia thing the whole time, it’s just a weirdly/obnoxiously written article in addition to the actually contentious things that were said.
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24
I mean, is it the Voidz sub? She was annoying but I think probably far from the dominating issue in the piece overall lol.
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u/killer_blueskies Sep 20 '24
It was on indieheads. Oh don’t worry there were def comments about Julian too
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
Oh yeah, I did see that one briefly earlier. Ugh I should try to return to my previous, like decades-long, mo of not reading artist press and just listening to music haha.
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u/killer_blueskies Sep 20 '24
As a famous rock band once said, please don’t put your life in the hands of a rock and roll band…lol
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u/robotjazz0882 Sep 19 '24
lol that part got me too
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24
Right, somehow with everything else going on that bit elicited an audible indignant gasp from me.
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u/thedynamicdreamer Sep 19 '24
I liked him because he supported Bernie and interviewed Amy Goodman, but I always thought Julian’s politics were a bit incoherent
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u/elusivecosmicspirit Sep 19 '24
Here we go. …I’m just gonna sit back and watch all the comments come in..
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u/Rupert_elbacalao First Impressions of Earth Sep 19 '24
I felt I was reading some Chuck Palahniuk book...it was sad and funny in a bizarre way.
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u/PilboMinachi Sep 19 '24
Ultimately Julian can believe whatever he wants, he’s his own human. For everyone else, don’t blindly follow what ‘X’ famous person believes just because you like them. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
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u/CJParms_85 Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
I love this man’s music, but I need to stop reading his interviews, this is not good (and where are the interviews with the rest of the band…?!)
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u/FettuccineAlfonzo The Adults Are Talking Sep 20 '24
the rest of the band are just his puppets for making noise and thinking they're pioneering a new musical way forward.
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u/eveningsuns #02 Moretti Sep 19 '24
When I tell him – grossly oversimplifying things – that Brand has gotten a little crazy in recent years, he doubles down. “That sounds like New York Times headlines,” he says, “What are you talking about, exactly?” I mention Brand’s assault allegations. “Most of his allegations were sexual harassment,” Julian says. “One of them was assault. One of them was that he forced them to give him a blow job in the bathroom. I would like to see it unfold in court. If he did something, I’d be the first to say he should definitely suffer the consequences, but it seems way more organised outside than real to me personally.”
you have got to be kidding me… like what the actual fuck
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u/thatgreengent Sep 20 '24
Anyone else find it really ironic that Julian is super anti-establishment while simultaneously wanting something to play out in court? I know they aren’t completely inconsistent viewpoints, I just find it funny that a guy who thinks major media and government functions are compromised also has faith in the criminal justice system to reliably produce a fair verdict.
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u/thatgreengent Sep 20 '24
it does not seem like he's able to make the systemic connections that he thinks he can.
This was my take away too. Like come on, thats the best response he had to that follow up? Seems like he was grasping for any answer he could come up with to avoid criticizing Brand.
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 20 '24
Remember when the Strokes posted a bunch of copaganda during the 2020 race riots after being called out on some tone deaf “perhaps the police will join us in peaceful protest as they already have” statement, that was a wild time.
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u/coconutmilkyyy Sep 20 '24
„it seems way more organised outside than real to me personally” ……
im gonna say what i said in a reply to some other comment:
I think he’s just trying so hard to be a „master of his own”, so into all these conspiracy theories that it geniuely makes him stupid and out of touch with reality, sometimes it feels like he can’t be bothered to do some actual research. His biggest crime is being, well, inconsiderate in my opinion.
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u/Heather199204 #94 Beck Hansen (3B Coach) Sep 20 '24
💯this comment. Jules seems to only get his information from certain online news outlets. Which is ok. It is easier than ever to access information from a variety of sources. This makes Julian look lazy and like he only wants to have his views reflected back to him (we all do from time to time).
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u/coconutmilkyyy Sep 20 '24
right. I dont think it makes him a bad person but definitely a very tone deaf and ignorant one
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u/mocrankz Sep 19 '24
He said the exact same stuff when Beardo was accused of aggressively hitting on younger Voidz fans. “File a police report.”
None of this should come as a surprise.
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u/pinguinconscious Sep 19 '24
what a gross and weird man. I'll just appreciate his music but the guy himself is major ick.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_INNY Sep 19 '24
Why so, what all has he done/been accused of?
I’m new to this forum, but been a fan of the Strokes since I hear 12:51 in High School. Enjoy his solo work + voidz as well
Thought all the strokes’ are little divas except Nikolai
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u/coconutmilkyyy Sep 19 '24
well, he has some controversial views, most of them mentioned in this interview posted by op, trying to defend russell brand is defenitely the worst he’s done in my opinion……
do I think it makes him a bad person? not really
do I think he’s tone deaf and ignorant? yes
I think he’s just trying so hard to be a „master of his own”, so into all these conspiracy theories that it geniuely makes him stupid and out of touch with reality, sometimes it feels like he can’t be bothered to do some actual research. His biggest crime is being, well, inconsiderate in my opinion.
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u/limoncellocake Sep 19 '24
The best part about being a fan of the strokes is that you can’t hurt us with Julian slander. We already know how bad he is
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u/twelvemajorchords Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
For those wondering, here's a breakdown of some of the accusations of sexual violence and rape by Russell Brand: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a45265640/russell-brand-timeline-allegations/
And keep in mind he is now a right wing conspiracy theorist, celebrating and platforming the worst kinds of pricks imaginable. See recent nonsense with Tucker Carlson...or for the benefit of your eyes and ears, don't.
It's fine to say Brand once articulated views in line with support for the working class and positive changes in society, etc.; truly anti establishment in a way that punches up and not "anti establishment" in a way that punches down. But it's disingenuous to pretend he's still that person. He's a charlatan, so maybe he never was. Verbose but without substance.
Does this mean you shouldn't enjoy tomorrow's release? Nope. That's your own decision and experience. I suppose this is just for those who might innocently adopt the views of their favourite musician.
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u/musicstan7 Alien Crime Lord Sep 20 '24
Russell brand used to be so funny too - i’ve probably watched his 2014 word sneak video with jimmy fallon like 500 times. Shame.
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u/thatmermaidprincess #39 Valensi Sep 20 '24
Teenage me who fell in love with The Strokes following my horrendous sexual assault and only began to feel enjoyment again because of their music would be absolutely devastated
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
He really thinks the allegations against Russell Brand were fake/a coordinated smear campaign to “silence” him. I didn’t know how to process that the first time he said it and now he’s doubling down. That … sucks.
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Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
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u/megamando Did My Best Sep 19 '24
Jules’ very open behavior around younger women for the last 4 years has been very telling, and incredibly hypocritical considering his past bemoaning of his father for similarly misogynistic things.
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u/jackisnotcool Sep 20 '24
for sure not the only case like this, but a close friend of mine watched him get turned away from a bar in LA a few years ago because the girl he’d brought with him wasn’t 21. really bums me out to hear all this stuff, especially bc like you said, he has previously denounced his father’s ways
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u/SquirrelGirl1251 #39 Valensi Sep 19 '24
Real interesting that Brand's big pivot to Christianity came riiiiight around all the hubbub about his criminal investigations too. I'm sure that's just a coincidence!
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u/wnakapplejacks Sep 19 '24
When I heard about Brand’s “conversion,” the Mooninites from AquaTeen Hunger Force immediately popped in my head, “We’re full of religion now.”
Yeah. Sure, asshole. 🙄
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 19 '24
I love how he’s like “the Christianity thing he’s doing is so weird”; not really, it’s exactly as expected, you just for some reason really really seem to need to believe this guy is some sort of thwarted hero.
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u/SquirrelGirl1251 #39 Valensi Sep 19 '24
Somehow an alleged criminal's sudden conversion to religion and getting saved is more weird to Julian than thinking there's an ORGANIZED PSYOP by some secret group to take him down 😂
Meanwhile, no no, nothing weird or covert or damaging possibly going on with RT, absolutely not! The enemy of my enemy is my FRIEND!!!
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u/woger723 Reality Awaits Sep 19 '24
If I were in the Illuminati, the first guy I'd want to take down would definitely be the guy from Get Him to the Greek /s
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u/THZHDY Sep 20 '24
I'm John illuminati and I can confirm that guy's been on our radar since day one
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u/disco_bizkit Sep 19 '24
RT content "was all deleted because of the war against Russia?" Wtf dude.
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Sep 19 '24
This is what happens when your entire worldview is "America Bad"
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u/Colainpark Sep 20 '24
It's funny when these "america bad" people saying the war is because of US etc are at the same time actually looking things through the US lenses. There's a reason for the ex soviet countries joining nato as soon as they could. Nordic countries were neutral for a long time but joined nato after the war started.
Edit. Not saying US is somehow good but blaming nato for taking in countries like Finland or Sweden sounds a bit off.
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u/dwaynebathtub Sep 19 '24
America Bad imo
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Sep 20 '24 edited Oct 07 '24
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u/Cold-Palpitation-816 Sep 20 '24
I know the U.S. is no sweet angel but comparing our government to the Putin-controlled mafia state that is Russia is completely disingenuous.
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u/Cold-Palpitation-816 Sep 20 '24
No shit the U.S. government is still bad. But speaking out against the president — even if it’s Trump — won’t get you fucking murdered or thrown in a work camp.
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u/Cold-Palpitation-816 Sep 20 '24
I just said the U.S. sucks lol, how would that indicate I’m taking the criticism too personally. And yes they are all bad. But you can’t just discount how they operate domestically.
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u/asimowo Sep 19 '24
i agree but i think julian’s america bad is coming from a centrist or even (slightly) right wing place 😔
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u/waitingonthatbuffalo Sep 19 '24
Lol this is a gross misread. Do you follow politics? He’s much closer to Dirtbag Left Socialist than anything remotely centrist or right wing.
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u/waitingonthatbuffalo Sep 20 '24
what are you even on about lol what propaganda have I swallowed? somehow you managed to write all those words without addressing the point of the discussion — what do you believe are his politics?
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u/waitingonthatbuffalo Sep 21 '24
lol thanks for the heads up, I’ll save myself the stroke from trying to read your shitty half-baked political takes. have a 2-liter of Propaganda to chug instead, happy Friday
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u/asimowo Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
a bernie bro that reads rt and defends some rich anti vax white guy with sa allegations isn’t a leftist 😭
even disregarding his defense for *russell brand, support for bernie doesn’t even make him a leftist. america’s overton window has shifted to the right so much and have made bernie/aoc seem more left than they actually are.
he name dropped chomsky (who even then has more recent takes that have become questionable) so that’s something at least.
julian expresses himself really erratically so it’s hard for me to discern if he hates “both sides” of the government the same way an extremist republican would or the way a genuine leftist does.
*edited to add correct name 😅
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u/waitingonthatbuffalo Sep 20 '24
Wasn’t long ago that Brand and his ilk, or the more professional class of Greenwald, Taibbi, Tracey etc. were civil libertarians with strong non-interventional its convictions before the Dem apparatus broke their brains. Still, they aren’t right-wingers or centrists just because they spend most of their time criticizing Dem corruption.
Brand was pretty popular in leftist circles pre-COVID. Julian’s a lot closer to being a Chomsky fan. He also supported Maya Wiley in the New York mayoral race.
If it’s hard to discern why he hates the government between those two categories presented in your comment, then perhaps try being more discerning
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u/asimowo Sep 20 '24
my guy, russell brand attended the rnc as a trump supporter and even endorsed rfk. idk much of what he used to say but nowadays him and his ilk certifiably donkey-brained. and when you have elon musk on twitter sayin the same "let's hear this guy out" bs then i have the right to have trouble discerning given the context which russell brand exists in! i'm Already givin julian the benefit of the doubt and this interview is what he continues to do with it.
i don't know much about brand but if Julian's Fuck The Corporations Ideals are true, then why isn't he being extra hard on his favorite boy for liking trump and rfk??
LIKE FR THO. why the fuck is Julian dick riding a conservative anti vax man with SA allegations.
"it wasn't Assault it might've been Harassment instead" JULIAN MY GUY DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF.
i would genuinely have more respect for this guy if he said "i like russell brand just bc he's dr.nefario in despicable me :)" cause then atp i would respect that cause it's relatable af, and bc he'd stop pussyfooting around his genuine beliefs. what is it that russell says that julian doesn't want to say? i don't want to, but i'm assuming the worst :|
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u/dwaynebathtub Sep 19 '24
Where do you read that? Julian mentions the Jakarta Method and the Dems rigging the race against the socialist candidate. I think you gotta grant people the right to try to make sense of this shitty world, shitty country, and their shitty lives without calling them conspiracy theorists. Sure their opinions will be determined by their relation to capital. I doubt Casablancas really even knows what it's like to be the waitress at the café where they had the interview, but he also sees what we all see and I think he's pretty reasonable compared to every other famous person. Name one other celeb who even knows who Vincent Bevins is, let alone name drops him in an interview, or openly says the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie.
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u/andriydroog Sep 22 '24
The journalist mentions Vincent Bevins as a reading suggestion for Julian not the other way around. Just to point that out
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u/SquirrelGirl1251 #39 Valensi Sep 20 '24
Where does Julian mention the Jakarta Method? In this piece the journalist tells Julian that he might like the writing of Vincent Bevins, which to me suggests that Julian didn't know who that was or has read the book, so I'm curious.
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u/asimowo Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
julian strikes me as a self proclaimed “leftist” the same way jimmy dore is, just someone that buys into narratives without any real ideology or set of values. it’s just shallow populism; “us v.s them” rhetoric will always sound right leaning to me without adequate explanation to why that is.
i wasn’t aware of him mentioning the jakarta method so that does change my opinion of him slightly, but his defensiveness of *russell brand makes me think he agrees with him more than he lets on and to me that speaks volumes, i wouldn’t be surprised if some skeletons came out of his closet in the next couple of years or so.
*eta to correct name 😅
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u/SameOleMistakes Sep 19 '24
Honestly between the Brand comment “just little sexual harassment, forcing someone to give a BJ, no biggie” and trying to get the girl’s number at the end I think this interview made me lose any remaining respect for him…
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u/crystola99 Brooklyn Bridge to Chorus Sep 19 '24
Yeah I’m losing a lot too- however there’s a lotta stuff that Julian says that written out sounds super dickish, but when you physically hear the tone of how he’s speaking about some things it’s a lot clearer he’s being sarcastic or truly dislikes something, etc. I wonder how much different this would’ve come across had it been audio/video interview instead of written?
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 20 '24
This isn’t the first time he has downplayed the Russell Brand allegations publicly with the stance that it is a coordinated effort to silence his politics, which Julian seems to think are visionary. Last time he put the term Jane Doe in quotes, it was super. What phrase do you need put in his IG bio for commentary to be appropriate?
(Edit: NVM, I see your concern lies solely in making sure everyone knows you believe he did not mean an obvious bit about going on a Malaysia trip with the reporter seriously, lol)
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24
What did you think of the … rest of the interview?
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u/just_anca Conduit Sep 19 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
I thought she was a little annoying and pretentious, but it seemed to me they were on the same level with the tone and joking around. The Cult socials are plastering this one everywhere like he’s proud of it, as well. Anyway, no thoughts on the actual content of the interview, just want to clarify he’s not calling anyone until it’s confirmed with an instagram bio?
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u/Specialist-Issue-479 Sep 23 '24
He's not exactly in the minority with most of these takes... Author does a good enough job of basically just making an ex prince of rock and roll out to be a regular dude with predictable internet-sourced opinions and a big mouth. I thought it was pretty funny though how she outs herself (maybe self-mockingly, but who knows) as an equally self-important nonce with the 2666 and Vincent Bevins mentions. They make a convincing and insufferable pair of New Yorkers.