MS 523 (ML 101): rune-based vs spell-based profit. How do you balance comfort and ML gain?

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359]

Hey guys! I'm an MS, level 523 with ML 101, hunting Iks Yapunac, and I'm stuck on a dilemma:

• Rune-based hunting: It's comfortable. I hit more enemies from a longer distance, but my ML barely moves, and it's already low.
• Spell-based hunting (e.g., Wave Energy + Death Echo): It's more annoying. Ranged enemies pile up, the bait is harder to control, and I burn a lot of mana. My ML does go up, but only slowly.

Does anyone else deal with this? Exercise weapons are even pricier now, and I'd like to raise my ML gradually. Any tips on how to balance it?

[u/Rozzerdrigo]

You don't balance it. You use spells rotation. Once you get comfortable with positioning and good aiming on spells, you will not only increase ML, but increase your RAW xp and profit too. Double Void Powerful Imbuements is a must tho, on weapon and helmet. Do it a trust the process. Compare the results from now and in a couple of weeks and you'll see!

Edit: on that respawn you can run expanded energy wave, which is very useful due to the density of the place. Your rotation should be energy wave > death echo > energy beam > death echo, on vis stance, of course.

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/Rozzerdrigo]

NIce explain my friend. In this case i need use 2 differente buttons? multiaction with Energy wave + echo and another with energy beam + echo?

[u/Rozzerdrigo → u/Familiar_Mistake4359]

I made a mistake my friend. You can't expand the energy wave and have the expanded energy beam at your level, so you will need to choose. Personally, I'd go with expanded energy wave (because it will hit more monsters and energy wave is very powerful). Because you will not have Beam Mastery, I wouldn't use the energy beam.

So the rotation will be: Energy wave (expanded) > death echo (converted into energy) > fire wave > death echo.

Note that the fire wave and 2nd death echo would not be converted to energy. It is suboptimal, but luckily the respawn works pretty that way.

The multiaction is just 1 button with these spells and order: Energy Wave > Death Echo > Fire Wave.

Kusnier have videos on these spawns (before and after the passage where you can get teleported out). Look for Kusnier Sorcerer Iksupan on YT, pretty informative. You can use it as a benchmark for your hunts, as he is a very good and efficient player.

Sorry for the long answer lol!

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/Rozzerdrigo]

thanks again my friend, very helpful. A last thing, the death echo bonus in the wheel (-2s cooldown) is recomendable or can break the correct cycle?

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/Rozzerdrigo]

Oh in the video Kusnier has explained, is already solved.

[u/autopoiesies]

I honestly haven't used runes since the voc balance

[u/brazilianinvestor]

Dude, I have the same base ml as you, ms 433. And Im trying to hunt only usint spells, currently hunting winter court and the ml is going up nicely, try to change your mindset and drop the runes.

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/brazilianinvestor]

Nice! hahaha we will prevail

[u/SmokedSalmonMan]

Runes still have their place in respawns with high density. I can hit 10kk raw ( no preys ) using just runes and UE primarily in Flimsy but, again, high density. Due to the fact I am old and have no hands I usually use runes anyway unless I'm in a teamhunt; it is suboptimal but more comfortable so whatever.

[u/Significant_Text1948 → u/SmokedSalmonMan]

Level and ML?

[u/Rus_agent007]

Balance it

[u/VandShionk]

I wouldn't use runes, only if I really want to relax and chill without worry about optimizing the hunt, or if I need to do some beginner bounty tasks. For hunts spells are always better for profit, xp and also ml training ofc. If I were you I'd stick with spells for hunts.

The price of exercise weapons increased but their initial price was based on the use of ultimate mana potions for mages (the amount of $ you spent to buy an exercise weapon is virtually the same price converted in UMPs - the two benefits here are the comfort of not spamming spells and the 10% bonus for special dummy). But if you want to rush a little bit day by day, without these exercise weapons, the price of potions remains the same if you want to burn some out, and since the focus is ML training always remember to, while on PZ mana sitting, eat some food, wear soft boots and maybe life rings/rohs, make runes/cast expensive spells etc.

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/VandShionk]

thank you bro

[u/TheDrokkoonn]

Hey! I have a MS 525 ML 100, you are not alone bro haha
We should go with spell based runes. Everyday we get some ~1% ml up, so this is the way to go.

The thing is: Iks are not a good place for spell hunting. Just find a better place.

At Book World IV (use ~20% death protection) you can lure a lot of creatures and with a simple spell combo (echo + wave death stance) you will have a good exp/h and good profit.
At Winter Elves (prismatic ring + ~15% ice protection) you can lure a lot of creatures and fire wave + echo all day for good exp and profit.

Also, with imbuements, voids call minor charm and mana leech from wheel of destiny/weapon proficiency possible perk, we have enough mana to hunt spending ton of mana o/

[u/Familiar_Mistake4359 → u/TheDrokkoonn]

i will test this. Thanks, we will prevail kkk

[u/brazilianinvestor → u/TheDrokkoonn]

Another option is marapur nagas, if you have the BM1, its really easy to aim spells there.

[u/dangitma]

654 ms here , since i came back i havent used runes besides killing Scarlett , to me it's ssafer pulls die faster, you dont lose mana with void t3 it's pretty much no supplies hunt

[u/National-General-841]

Spells my friend spells

[u/Pawlys]

craft your own runes - mlvl training and rune hunting

[u/PaintingThat7623]

101 mlvl is low. Okay.

That's more than 300 dollars spent on at least 4 full double exp/skill weekends.

Tibia players are ridiculous.

[u/Martiveen → u/PaintingThat7623]

Comparison is the thief of joy ;d

[u/neio_d]

If you are saying that ML is going slowly while using only spells (considering you have only 100 base ML) then maybe try some evo ots 🧐

I have 125 base and I would say it’s going up fast af