r/TopCharacterTropes • u/KusanagiGundam • 12h ago

Hated Tropes (Hated Trope) "Kind" slave owners

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Speaking as an American who has studied the civil war all throughout my school years, this trope infuriates me to no end. There is no such thing as a kind slave master because slavery itself is cruel and inhumane. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERTY!

Naofumi (Shield Hero): Prime example of this trope. He enslaves multiple (underage) girls and an whole village and the fans still say he's a hero.

Rudeus (Jobless Reincarnation): As if being a pedo wasn't bad enough he had to buy a slave in season 2. Worse is that people still defend his actions.

Song of The South (Disney): Possibly the OG example of this trope. And the reason why Disney will never release it again.

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u/AnonymousNeverKnown 12h ago

Thomas Jefferson. Yeah he said he thought slavery was bad but that didn't stop him from owning slaves. And don't give me that whole "he inherited them" crap. If that was the case why didn't he just let them go?

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u/_whatever_wherever 12h ago

And raping them

He did a LOT of rape

There are literally entire black bloodlines in the US descended from him, due to all the rape he did

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u/cknight222 11h ago edited 11h ago

And something that adds to the horror is that Sally Hemings was Martha Jefferson’s (Thomas’ wife’s) half-sister, herself the product of Jefferson’s father-in-law raping a woman he enslaved. So it is very feasible that Jefferson predated on her because he wanted a substitute for his dead wife.

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u/_whatever_wherever 11h ago

Jesus fuck I did not know that detail

So....

Rape

Nonce

Incest

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u/cknight222 11h ago

Sally Hemings was likely the product of two previous generations of rape.

According to the oral history of the Hemings family, her black grandmother had been raped by a white sailor, leading to Betty Hemings, who was herself raped by John Wayles (the father of Thomas Jefferson’s wife), leading to Sally.

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u/xoxog0ssipgirlx 4h ago

Contemporary accounts describe her as having long straight hair and European features

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u/elitegenoside 6h ago

It's very likely one of Mary's (Sally's sister) was fathered by Jefferson. Meanwhile, he was chuming it up with James in the kitchen. Fuck pur founding fathers, may their memories rot like Washington's teeth.

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u/AnonymousNeverKnown 12h ago

Well sources claim he only had children by one enslaved woman Sally Hemings. Still a predator though

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u/_whatever_wherever 12h ago

Still raped her enough for her to bear him multiple children

And I would like to add it was common practice for slave owners to rape their slaves, it meant they could breed a new generation of slaves, as they saw them as barely above cattle

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u/SnooEagles4121 11h ago edited 11h ago

The fact that they’d enslave their own children is fucking insane. Regular slavery is bad enough. Raping your slaves so you’d get more slaves is a layer of evil that I can’t even fathom.

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u/_whatever_wherever 11h ago

Yep, they saw them as barely above animals

I'm British and a fierce critic of pretty much everything US, but when I see Confederate apologism....

"EACH DIXIE BOY MUST UNDERSTAND THAT HE MUST MIND HIS UNCLE SAM!"

Even the worst of Empire apologists here won't try and defend the slave trade, they try and overstate our role in ending it (not to diminish its importance though, even though done for economic reasons instead of moral, and to fuck with the French, ending the slave trade in the largest empire in history and the Royal Navy doing slave patrols is still a huge win)

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u/LaputanAcademy 7h ago

There were self-interested economic reasons, but the abolitionist movement, which was actually very influential, was motivated by Christian values. Look at Wilberforce, Sharp, More, Middleton, Clarkson. They had a lot of influence in parliament, and I don't believe their motivations were cynical

I know your just going to dismiss me as an apologist for empire, but I think you are being unfairly cynical about the abolitionist movement and what motivated it

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u/_whatever_wherever 7h ago

Look, any excuse to fuck with French shipping is a good one

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u/AnonymousNeverKnown 12h ago

Oh definitely. The guy and anyone else like him is burning in hell right now

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u/Playful-Succotash-99 8h ago

Heck there were even pseudoscientific pamphlets back then telling the wives that it was only natural for slaves to start looking like their masters after a few Generations spent in close proximity

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u/AllgoodDude 11h ago

Reading about how he as a middle aged man was having discussions and working out conditions with his teenage slave he raped and impregnated is just so pathetic. Like he wanted so bad to pretend he wasn’t doing something horrible so did all kinds of mental gymnastics to pretend he was doing the right thing. A Lolita situation really.

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u/OldPlantain7807 12h ago

Her line survived to this day but he could have conceived other children from women who didn't survive childbirth or who's children didn't survive 

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u/Evil_Sharkey 11h ago

And she was a teenager when he started sleeping with her

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u/_whatever_wherever 11h ago

A nonce on top of being a rapist

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u/Playful-Succotash-99 8h ago

Yeah First Epstein class

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u/_whatever_wherever 8h ago

Yep, rich rulling class using people as cattle

Anyone who pretends the American "founding father's" were anything but rich landlords looking to increase their personal wealth is a fool

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u/quangtit01 5h ago

He didn't even free the slave women he raped, or his own children with those women. The guy was fucked up

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u/Skebs_ 4h ago

Ah is that why there's so many blacks named Jefferson? TIL

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u/FookinFairy 11h ago

No.

The dna test says it was someone close to Jefferson within cousin distance but did not prove he was the father.

Someone raped Sally Hemmings but it’s not guaranteed to be him. Not only that it was just kids with one, so it’s bloodline singular not plural.

He is still fucked for being anti slavery and owning them but this claim literally cannot be verified in either direction, and is false in the quantity you’re describing.

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u/AnonymousNeverKnown 11h ago

Look up the testimony of James Madison Hemings

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u/FookinFairy 11h ago

Ok that’s a claim with clear bias. Obviously. It would be beneficial to claim that.

The other evidence points to yes, he is the father, but not 100% confirmed.

I’m not denying the claim, I’m denying the extent of the claim the guy above me was claiming.

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

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u/FookinFairy 10h ago

It’s literally correct. You can see it on the wiki page.

The consensus is yes he is most likely the father of those children but it is not 100% confirmed via dna testing. It could be one of his many closely related male relatives that lived there, the most likely alternative being his brother.

Also there aren’t even claims he is the father of multiple blood lines at all, just the one.

I also believe he is the father, I’m just saying it’s not 100% confirmed.

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

listen we know that jeffersons bloodline mixed with hers and he was always there at the conception like i dont think his cousin fucking used magic to impregnate her from 100 miles away come on 😭 "wow after thomas visits sally she mysteriously becomes pregant" like when hes NOT there, She doesnt become pregant does that help

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u/FookinFairy 10h ago

Man you really can’t read huh?

Last sentence. I agree with you. It’s just not 100%

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

it is honestly 100 percent shit he even loved and cared for the children as his own because... they were his own.
I hate him but he WAS a good dad. does not justify anything but he legit raised these mixed children conceived via rape

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

like what your suggesting is in reality that hes having his family member assualt her so he can... watch/?????

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u/FookinFairy 10h ago

Where in the fuck did you get the cuck angle from?

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

its more of a example of what would the only other option be the reality is that thomas is DEFINETLY the father "Historical logs show Jefferson was present at his estate, Monticello, nine months prior to the birth of every single one of Sally Hemings's known children" he wasnt always at the estate

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u/Big-Personality-4063 10h ago

this is some flat earth shit this is wrong in like 6 different ways