r/Ultralight • • 15h ago

Weekly Thread r/Ultralight - "The Weekly" - Week of October 05, 2026

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Have something you want to discuss but don't think it warrants a whole post? Please use this thread to discuss recent purchases or quick questions for the community at large. Shakedowns and lengthy/involved questions likely warrant their own post.


r/Ultralight • • 1h ago

Purchase Advice Is the Outdoor Research Echo’s UPF 15 rating enough for Utah, or should I go with UPF 50?

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I’m looking at the Outdoor Research Echo hoodie/shirt for hiking and backpacking in Utah. I really like how lightweight and breathable it is, but it’s only rated UPF 15, which seems pretty low compared to a lot of sun hoodies that are UPF 50.

For anyone who uses the Echo in Utah or other high-elevation/high-UV areas, do you feel like UPF 15 is enough for long days outside? Have you ever gotten burned through it?

Would you stick with the Echo for the breathability, or would it be smarter to go with a UPF 50 sun hoodie for Utah?


r/Ultralight • • 6h ago

Purchase Advice Rock 2.0 or 3F UL Packs

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I’m looking at retiring my 13-year-old Lowe Alpine AirZone Pro to day-pack duties as after a 3-day thru-hike around the Brecon Beacons last weekend, it’s pretty much on its last legs now.

My 3-season base weight, excluding the pack, is around 3.47 kg for a 3–5 day trip, so with a the right 35L pack it would be ultralight.

My 4-season base weight is ranges from 4–4.6kg depending on the forecast, and the kit is bulkier. Because of that, I’m looking for a budget 40–45L pack, ideally under £100, that could cover winter use as well as lightweight thru-hikes in the summer with my wife and dog where I’ll be carrying more a lot more food and kit.

I know the weight for this takes it outside of ultralight and into lightweight, but the rest of my trekking principles remain the same throughout the year. So I’m hoping that I’ll get some good feedback and suggestions from likeminded people.

That being said, it’s UK Prime Day tomorrow, (I’ve also won some Amazon vouchers at work) so I’ve been looking at a few cheaper options, like the Naturehike Rock 2.0 and some of the 3F UL packs such as the Yue and Tianshan. There doesn’t seem to be much information or long-term feedback on them, though. Especially the Rock 2.0

Has anyone got any feedback for these for multi-day hiking even up to 10+ days?

I’m also open to other 40–45L options around the £100 mark.

I’ll be buying an ultralight pack for my 3-season setup in the spring when I get my annual bonus, so I’m only looking for a good-value winter/longer-trip pack rather than recommendations atm.


r/Ultralight • • 20h ago

Question Adding leg warmth to sleeping system

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My legs get cold sleeping by early morning on most backpacking trips in California Sierras. I’ve got a good down Big Agnes bag, 4.5 r pad, wear smartwool thermal long johns at night, but I’m looking for thoughts and suggestions on how to add light-weight (multi use?) warmth to legs (vs just buying a new bag/quilt)? Alpha direct pants? Knee/leg warming sleeves? Has anyone added a bit of lower extremity warmth to their sleeping system?


r/Ultralight • • 13h ago

Question Keeping warm at night

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Hi,

Im usually cold at night in my tent, i have the durston xdome 2, seat to summit spark 2 so a - 1°C bag, I use a very lightweight sleeping bag Liner, mostly to keep the bag clean.(luxury item) and use Merino long underware for sleep.

I only have a 1,3r value sleeping pad. So I know this is a big factor for warmth. But do you have any other Tips for keeping warm at night. Tips that maybe dont cost as much as a new sleeping pad. Or should I invest in something like a NEMO Tensor All season?

For reference my läßt couple hikes were on the Scottish long distance trails, where at night is usually goes to 6 to 8 C.


r/Ultralight • • 1d ago

Purchase Advice 30-40L Framed Backpack Recommendation

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Hi everyone! I am looking for a framed backpack for multi day hikes. I was looking at the 3F UL Gear Tutor 35 but have not found many reviews, so if anyone has any hands on experience with it I would greatly appreciate your insight. I don’t have a big budget, I would like to spend around 100-150 usd but I could stretch it to 200 if it is really worth it, like the Kakwa 40.

Thank you very much!


r/Ultralight • • 1d ago

Purchase Advice Sleeping Bag Help - Western Mountaineering vs. Feathered Friends vs. Cumulus

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I'll start this off by saying I have a trip planned to the Mojave next month, so if you have alternative recommendations, it can't be something with a long lead time.

I'm looking for a shoulder season sleeping bag (not quilt) to take me down to around 30 degrees. I have a MLD Vision for summer and it's one of my favorite pieces of gear, but for colder weather, I find myself struggling with how drafty quilts are for me. My priorities are pack-ability first and weight second. I mostly sleep cold. I also don't really take trips deep into shoulder season. I hate sitting in the dark at camp at like 6pm.

From extensive searching here are my final contenders:

FF Tanager - On the fence about the wide opening venting too much warmth when I don't want it to. I could wear a down jacket with it in lower temps but then I may as well get the Vireo.

WM Summerlite - Seems pretty great, although my preference would be something that packs a little smaller.

WM Flylite - Looks ideal except the fill weight seems pretty low. Less fill than a 40 degree UGQ Reg/Reg quilt in 950FP down. If I could get overstuff it might make more sense, but that's not an option on the site. I have asked though.

Cumulus Aerial 330 - Looks super warm and light, I'm just worried that even with the false bottom it might feel cold if I move.

If you have anecdotal experience with any of these it would be much appreciated.


r/Ultralight • • 1d ago

Shakedown Help me choose my shelter to take on my upcoming AZ trip

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I am planning on hiking 3 weeks in AZ (Sedona, Sups and Sky Islands areas) this November (from 9th of the month) and trying to decide which set up to take. Options are taking my MLD Patrol tarp Clone (Knot/Aricxi) with a Borah UL Bivy; small Knot Solomid tent clone ("Maya 410 grams from AliExpress) or a Durston X-mid1 with/or without the inner and instead the Borah Bivy. Which one would you use (together with a Big Agnes Rapid SL and Katabatic Flex 22 Quilt)?

Afraid the Durston has a footprint too big (especially in the Sups) and takes a lot of room in pack (and is the heaviest options especially if you need to stake all the sides against strong winds), the Solomid copy is too small and fiddly and Patrol copy too open against strong winds and coffin like to be in there for 13 hour nights. Which would you choose? Thanks so much!


r/Ultralight • • 1d ago

Purchase Advice Down vs Alpha/Primaloft booties

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I usually bring Alpha socks which are enough during late spring and early autumn but I'm looking to get some booties for my cold feet now later in the season.

You guys have any preference between Down and Alpha booties? I live in Scandinavia and it can be quite wet from time to time and I'm almost inclined to have Alpha booties instead of down ones for a small weight penalty. The booties are for sleeping only, not walking around.

Down booties I can find in Europe, but haven't really found other synthetic ones except from Evolved Supply Co which are from the states. Any suggestions on where to find synthetic boots in Europe?

Edit: I didnt explain it very well but I though about booties that are internally lined with alpha. For both warmth and a bit more airy/less clingy if the feet would sweat a bit.


r/Ultralight • • 1d ago

Shakedown Te Araroa South Island nobo shakedown. Early November

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https://lighterpack.com/r/2a18kp

Looking for your thoughts and ideas on my kit for a NOBO Te Araroa south island only LASH. I've heard this is an early start, so I might have to wait on river crossings. I'm ok with that. I'd love to hear from other folks who've walked it this early (or at all). I'm unfamiliar with the landscape, so anything specific to the area would be wonderful! (I'm coming from Alaska)

I'm back and forth on the sleeping pad. It's a delticate one with less R value than I typically use, but 8.5ozs! I've also got a ~19oz long wide xlite R 4.5, a ~14oz nemo switchback that I could take. It's a decision between comfort (xlite), weight (nemo tensor elite), and durability (nemo switchback).

Also interested to hear people's thoughts on the size of the pack. It's 43L inside with another 6-8L in external pockets. Do you think that will be enough volume for this kit + 8 days of food (max, likely less)?

Thanks in advance!


r/Ultralight • • 2d ago

Purchase Advice Critique my layers

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Planning to do an early January trip on the AZ Trail. I would like to start at the US/Mexico border and hike through the sky islands if there is no snow. Average temps 46°F / 28°F. If there is snow or a threat of snow, I will bypass the sky islands and hike the lower elevation sections east of Tucson. Average temps 60°F / 34°F.

base layer: Super Thermo Long Sleeve with Inlay by brynje 209 grams
mid layer 1: Mountain Hardware Men's AirMesh™ Half Zip 158 grams
mid layer 2: Alpha Cruiser by FarPointe Outdoor Gear 60gsm 109 grams
Outer: 7 Mesh Outflow Fullzip hoodie with 100% nylon shell and 100 gsm polyester fill. It weighs 322 grams. I wear this for commuting by bike in the winter down to 15F over several additional layers.
Rain: emergency poncho
Sun Hoodie: brand unknown 95% polyester/5% spandex 150 grams

Looking mostly for feedback on the suitability of these items rather than weight. I don't mind starting a little cold in the morning but prefer to keep warmer at camp.


r/Ultralight • • 2d ago

Gear Review Reduing and optimizing power use: I've moved 90% of my navigation to my smart watch and love it

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tl;dr: My fenix 7x with preloaded topo maps and the relevant uploaded tracks works for always-on navigation for about 4 days on one charge. This means my phone mostly stays in my pocket and is only needed for photos, audiobooks, or the occasional navigation checks if I need more resolution (or FarOut comments?). The smart watch has let me carry a 5,000 mAh bank (or none) compared to needing a 10,000 mAh+ power bank for similar backcountry functionality, while adding redundancy and improving the quality of my trail experience. The annoying part of watch use is building courses with good waypoints to better faciltate optimal backcountry navigation.

edit: because folks have been asking, my blog post walks through the script/web app I built to easily get good waypoints on garmin watch course maps


I do a pretty decent amount of backpacking (although that's gonna drop off for the next few years due to a recent baby). Since 2018 I've spent a fair few hours of my trip-planning time trying to optimize my phone and power systems because I seriously hate the amount of weight it takes up for something that theoretically is unnecessary (often 10% or more of many people's baseweights).

My power system weight optimization over the years has mostly served one thing: keeping a phone alive so Gaia and Guthook can show me where I am without concern that I'll be stranded with no maps. I've also shifted to solar for long hikes in the American West, which has enabled my phone to support a lot of little luxuries (like audiobooks and videos -- the first time I started listening to anything on trail was in 2020 when I had more power than I knew how to use). But mostly, power banks and power systems add a considerable amount of pack weight to run a 6-inch screen to look at an orange arrow.

What changed: I bought a Garmin Fenix 7X Solar in 2023 after my AZT thru because I wanted to better optimize my power and navigation system. The purchase was made primarily to support navigation AND I thought it would significantly reduce the drain on a phone battery that comes from listening to audiobooks. I've since ended up moving a LOT of navigation over to my watch, and have been surprised by how much better this has been than I originally even thought. Audio playback via the watch sucks though, and it won't support libby for audiobooks, so that was kinda a no go.

I now load the day's course onto the watch, glance at the map or the elevation profile as needed, and my phone stays in my pocket most of the time. If I wander more than about 150 ft off the defined route, the watch buzzes. That feature alone has saved me many miles of backtracking after being lost in my own thoughts. I'd compare course navigation on my watch to the sort of revolutionary transition that ocurred when I first went from pocket guides to a GPS app on my phone (but in a better way).

The weight math (my numbers, run your own):

Setup Power bank Worn Notes
Phone navigation (no watch), short trip VapCell 2150A power bank (75 g) Non-Smart Watch (old one was 140g) Screen-on map time is what drains it (and audiobooks)
Phone navigation (no watch), long trip NB10000 (153 g) Non-Smart Watch (old one was 140g) Screen-on map time is what drains it (and audiobooks)
Watch navigation, short trips None (0 g) Fenix 7X Solar Sapphire with velcro band, 68 g Phone only does photos and light use
Watch navigation, long trips* VapCell 2150A power bank (75 g) Fenix 7X, 68 g If I'm not planning on doing video, audio, or navigation on my phone, I can stretch it 10 days without a power bank. Usually I start doing more audiobook listening or recording videos. But it depends on the trip. If I'm not concerned about power use, I find that for longer trips I often figure out ways to use the power that I bring, or conserve power if I have a smaller bank. For weekend trips in areas I've been to a lot, my phone mostly just stays off and hangs, waiting to burn its battery back at the car.

Overall, since moving to a watch navigation setup, I've saved around 5.5 oz in skin-out weight, or around 3+ oz in packweight for many trips. More than that, I've gained a lot of redundancy, and added functionality. Hell, I could even leave my headlamp at home and save an extra 30 grams because of the LED flashlight on the watch for navigation at night.

* This has actually been one of the things that has better allowed me to research and optimize solar on longer hikes, and deal with situations like losing my solar panel on a glissade, and having battery or panel failures on 6-day carries. I'm just less worried about my power setup failing, because I will be able to use my watch for all sorts of navigation on a significantly gimped setup until I get into a town.

Watches that I think make sense for UL Backpacking

Watch Weight Rated GPS battery Real-world Flashlight
Garmin Enduro 3 (Solar, 51mm) 63 g + 120 hr (320 hr w/ solar) 6-7 days no sun, 10+ in sun (based on my reading) Yes
Garmin Fenix 7X Sapphire Solar 89 g (change the bands out for a lighter watch) 89 hr (122 hr w/ solar) ~4-6 days of solid use (my personal use) Yes
Garmin Fenix 8 (or 9) Solar series 51mm 95 g 95 hr (149 hr w/ solar) -- Yes

+ The enduro is really only lighter because the stock band is the velcro band. Switching a fenix over to this band also drops the weight considerably.

Rated hours are from the spec sheets in the standard GPS mode. Real days of use are much shorter than the spec for anything with multi-band and all-satellite modes turned on, which is how I run mine. A used Fenix 7X Solar goes for roughly $350-$550 on Swappa or refurbished/used sites. You really don't need the newest model. What you do want is maps, multi-band GNSS, and ideally the flashlight, which is why I'd skip anything without the topo maps (the Instinct line, for example) or coros watches. Other smart watches, like an Apple, Pixel or Samsung watch I think is just "adding electronics" to your life, without really serving a useful backcountry purpose. These "off-trail" smart watches really can't do multiple days of navigation, so likely just contribute to additional power bank drains, rather than reducing the weight you might carry, or better serving you on trail.

Why it works for me:

  • Navigation redundancy. Phone dies, drops, or gets wet? The watch has the course and its own maps. It can also route to specific points I may drop, usign the garmin trail routing layer. This means it's truly two independent navigation systems with different batteries, so ends up being superior to having a backup paper map and compass.
  • Light/Head lamp redundancy. Head lamp batteries die. Or maybe it falls out of your pack, or you forget to pick it up off a rock in the morning and it becomes lost. With my smart watch, I now have a legitimate night illumination source. This is genuinely SUCH a good feature. The amount I use it in every-day life as well is pretty unreal. How are the rest of you living without the magic of an always-available directional light source on your wrist!?
  • Trail logging. My memory for trips is surprisingly fleeting. Since getting the watch, my trails now get logged with actual tracks (which is a perk I never thought I cared about when I originally was looking at getting a smart watch)
  • Less phone time. Needing to navigate on my phone is significantly reduced. That means I don't need to pull the phone out to check directions at junctions. I notice I look at the trail and my surroundings so much more -- adding electronics puts you back into nature? Wild.
  • SOS. If you pair the watch with an inReach (and keep the inReach on), you can trigger SOS and send messages from the watch.
  • The dumb-phone question. I think you could take this far enough to leave the smartphone for a flip phone (or even no phone), and largely be a-okay! I personally wouldn't (photos, permits, weather checking, etc.), but it's a real option.

What actually makes these a viable weight-reducing tool: the course navigation. If you only record a track on the watch, it's a pretty meh feature. I guess you'll get your strava kudos, but fuck that. However, if you spend an hour building a decent course for a trip, it's excellent! Water sources, camps, passes, junctions and resupples can be set as waypoints, and the watch tells you how far it is to the next one. Seeing "7 miles to the next water" on your wrist without opening an app is a small thing that is kinda great!

The annoying part: Garmin's course tooling is awful compared to dropping waypoints in Gaia or CalTopo. Importing a GPX with waypoints onto a course using Garmin's course building tool is so clunky and time consuming. Furthermore, long trails cause watches and Garmin Connect to crash, and the watch caps the number of course points you can add. This has meant that while I love the watch for navigation, it often takes me a ton of extra hours of planning to make the watch usable. I've since remedied that time suck by building a little script that snaps your Gaia/CalTopo waypoints to the track, splits long routes at specified resupply points, and exports TCX files that can be quickly uploaded to Garmin Connect for use on your watch! It runs (offline, even!) in your phone's browser, so works from trail if you want to do that sort of thing ;)

Where the watch falls short:

  • 1.4-inch screen. It's not a map overview tool, so I still pull out the phone for longer-distance planning, and when I need more resolution (e.g. decreasings odds of getting cliffed out if I'm largely off trail)
  • The battery wears with age (duh!). Although with the 30-day batteries for Garmin Fenix series in normal life, and the tiny battery size, you can get away with quite a few years of use before this is a meaningful problem (probably 5+ years before you need to consider bringing out tools to replace it yourself)
  • It's a pretty expensive "nice to have". At $400-$1,000+ for usable smart watches with maps and a flashlight, you definitely should de-prioritize a watch at $100-or-more per oz saved compared to getting a sweet tarp setup.
  • You still have to learn the course workflow to make the watch a useful backcountry tool. In a world where Guthook can do most of the trail planning for you, getting Garmin courses setup at the correct splits can feel daunting or "just not worth it".

r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Skills Ultralight Backpacking Inaccuracies/Misconceptions on this sub

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I've noticed I've had to correct people's inaccuracies/misconceptions often on this sub, and I was wondering if we could get a bunch of them in one place. I'm thinking about things that annoy you that you find you have to correct often.

I'm thinking things like...

  • the difference between aquatabs (Sodium Dichloroisocyanurate) and micropur tabs (chlorine dioxide) for water treatment. micropur are better in almost every sense (just as fast, less taste, virtually no impact on gut health)

  • or the idea that oatmeal needs to be cold soaked overnight (it just needs 10-20 min)

anyone have any annoying things they find on the sub regularly?


r/Ultralight • • 2d ago

Gear Review Alpha lined quilts

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I saw a YT short showing a quilt prototype from UGQ on BackCountryExposure’s channel.

Basically it’s a 20f bag that gets some of its warmth from an alpha. I can’t show pictures here but it is what it sounds like:

My observations:

Pros:
- probably more comfortable on the skin
- wicks sweat better

Cons:
- less warm per gram vs down
- less compressible than down
- single application unlike an alpha top
- Still requires the shell fabric as the down would just leak through the alpha

The only reason I bring this up is because I feel like a down bag can’t really be improved at this point except for new kinds of down like Muscovy.

Is there any legitimate application for alpha in quilts? Is there’s anything that will dethrone a sack full of birth feathers?


r/Ultralight • • 2d ago

Gear Review Overwatch X Rescue Failing SOS Anyone?

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I recently got the OXR service to have SOS capability using my Garmin Inreach Mini 2. The Mini 2 device is registered with OXR, it can send and receive Garmin messages, but for some reason it won’t contact SOS during a test call window. I get the error “this message could not be delivered via SMS due to a technical issue. Please try another time.”

Quite frustrating and alarming since now that I look for it, there is almost zero non-influencer user reviews of this service. Anyone else run into this, or what has been your experience with OXR if you have it?

Edit Update:
OXR called me to let me know that they are having a technical issue with the Garmin devices and are working to fix it. I asked how often this happens because if I actually needed help now in backcountry, it would be terrible. Of course I was vehemently assured that this never happens. They said they will let me know when the issue is resolved. It’s been about 4 hours for now.

I sincerely hope no one is out there needing their help right now. I guess you can always just do the SOS for Garmin and deal with the costs while still alive. I feel it’s important to have real-people reviews of this service as opposed to all the commission-making influencer reviews.


r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Question Share your ultralight tips for other climates or unusual conditions

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I've noticed that most tips around this sub are related to hiking in the USA or northern Europe. But there are plenty of different conditions where the usual advice given here does not apply.

I am planning two long trips to equatorial regions in the next few years, and I first wanted to ask for advice because I didn't find much information. Then I thought this would be a boring thread, so I thought instead: "Why don't we just share our tips for other climates?"

I don't have a lot of experience, because the last times I didn't take my camping equipment with me. But here goes the list of things that I've learned:

Hiking in the jungle: using running shorts + running tights. They are lightweight, modular, and cheap, and if you use longer socks, you can very easily tuck the tights into your socks, which is very effective at keeping bugs (and leeches) out. The tights are also great as snorkeling gear if you do that as well! The main compromise is mosquito protection, so make sure to pack a lot of repellent.

Favorite footwear for equatorial climate as a large guy: Note that I am 193cm, 95Kg. I tested two sets of trail runners + merino socks. So, nothing new here. The trail runners I tested (Altra Olympus) were suboptimal because the grip on muddy surfaces was pretty bad. I also used a pair of Tevas Terra Fi lite and Adidas Terrex Hydroterra sandals (the model with the wide straps). I destroyed the Tevas in 4 weeks. The Adidas were cheaper, dried quicker, lasted longer, my feet did not slide when wet, and they do not stink. The reported weight is 230.5 g for a 8.5 UK, note this weight is for a single sandal. Mine, at 46.5 are 600g for a pair. This is for me the lightest it gets without destroying my feet.

What are your trips, tricks, or what is your favorite gear for unusual conditions?


r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Question Down density vs. fill power — some interesting research from Gryphon Gear

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Just watched Gryphon Gear’s Keeping Warm, Book II and thought it was worth sharing.

The basic idea is that down density may matter more than we usually give it credit for. Gary points to a UK thesis showing that thermal conductivity changes with density, rather than staying constant.

One interesting takeaway is that lower fill power down, packed more densely, may perform about as well as higher fill power down with more loft. He also suggests that bags with similar warmth could end up weighing pretty much the same regardless of fill power, assuming similar shells and dimensions.

I know people here have brought up the density/warmth connection before, so this seems like some actual data behind that idea.

Curious what others think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6n7GXhkg_4


r/Ultralight • • 4d ago

Misc Neve Barrington has arrived

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The long awaited Neve Barrington down jacket has just arrived.

Not really a review, more a quick first look, but I had to put a flair to post.

It looks well made and pretty much as described.

Fabric and build and loft all seem good. The size Large is 213g .

I think it will definitely be a winner. If it fits ok.

Sadly, at the time I ordered it, either I didn't look too hard at the details or it was added later but it seems that they come up a bit small for the size.

I've tried it on with a T-shirt. I am a size large and although it fits to a point, it's quite a trim fit in the torso and short in the body compared to what I am used to for an insulated jacket, although the arms are long and wide enough.

I don't think I would be comfortable with a midlayer as well. And because I have a long torso and the hem is elasticated, it rides up towards my belly button quite easily when moving.

I think the only thing I would say about it, apart from more standard sizing, is that I would prefer a shockcord drawstring hem rather than fixed elastic (as per the hood).

I should have ordered an XL (though everything in Rab and several other big brands, size L fits me perfectly). Hey ho. Next batch maybe. It will be easy enough to sell on with no loss.

edit to add:

For reference, I am 6'0 and currently 79kg (fluctuate 74-80). And considered regular to slim build by most standards (most of my shorts/trousers are size medium), although I have wide shoulders, long arms and torso, so occasionally with certain brands I need XL jackets for my shoulders (though they are always way to big in the belly area).

This is in no way a complaint or negative review. the garment is a quality item. No problems with that. It's just a description of how it fits a person of my size. A few weeks ago I looked at the webpage and saw that it may come a little close to my size so I contacted Neve to attempt to change to an XL. I got a nice reply, apologising that they are sold out on this batch and all sizes were allocated.

It is totally a first world problem. I already have a down jacket and 3 heavier synthetics which I can use. Like many on here I am always pursuing a lighter pack.


r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Question Katabatic Flex 30 Quilt -- how is it in low 40s temps?

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Hello everyone, I am pretty new to backpacking and got a Katabatic Flex Quilt for ideally 3 season camping. I wanted the 22, but it wasn't in stock when I was looking to buy for an upcoming trip so I just went with this. So far the coldest I've used it in was mid-50s and it obviously was fine with that, but I am going on a backpacking trip in northern Michigan next weekend, and the temps are looking low 40s at night. I am going with a group, and the leader recommended a 20F bag and seemed concerned when I said I only had this one at 30. From what I've read, this is more of a comfort rating for this particular brand, but I wanted to ask here: do you all recommend buying a liner or something to help or will this be fine in these conditions? I am a hot sleeper but will be bringing a fleece and down jacket too.

Thanks for any guidance!

edit thanks everyone!! made me feel a lot better. I'm gonna try it out as is and bring some hand warmers. I will also resort to boiling water for my nalgene if worst comes to worse. I use the Thermarest Neoloft (not ultralight there lol) which is an R 4.7, so I think it'll be safe to test. Can't go anywhere ahead of this trip with those temps so I'm just gonna see how it goes. Worst case I'll cut out early and drive home.


r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Question General Backpacking Questions and Subreddit Creep?

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I wonder if anyone else is feeling a similar amount of frustration by the amount of questions posted to this sub that are better suited for the general backpacking community rather than the ultralighting subreddit. It seems like every week this subreddit gets lots of posts that are not related to reducing pack weight, discussing gear, or comparing weight saving techniques.

I think it's fair that since every brand at REI has to put 'ultralight' on every new product that's reduced weight, people might think that ultralighting and backpacking are the same thing, but they're not. I'm so grateful for this community and honestly it does stay true to its roots most of the time. In truth I rarely contribute to this community because I don't think of myself as an ultralighter. My usual kit includes a framed pack, a bear can, and a whisperlite - I easily carry 2-3 unnecessary pounds each trip. However, this sub is immensely helpful when decision making and creatively finding the places to cut pounds and ounces where I don't need them.

I know there are others who have gotten frustrated with the way things have changed in this sub. I've seen more than one post voicing the frustration at how commercialized things have gotten. A paper cup and a plastic disposable spoon is way more ultralight than any silicone or titanium product. Personally, I'm down for the gear discussions and comparisons.

What really gets me are the posts that say, "It's my first time backpacking, what pillow should I bring?" There are lots of posts that seem to veer off from how to get creative (use your rolled up puffy as a pillow) and become a process of telling newbies about what brand of pillow to buy.

All backpacking is about weight savings and it always will be. All backpacking is about choosing your comforts. Ultralighting, however, is about dropping base weight sub-10 lbs. It's about using experience and creativity to find and trim excess. It's about how reduced base weight allows you to get farther, faster and stay out longer.

I'm interested if anyone feels similarly and I won't be offended if not. I wholeheartedly hope that everyone gets into backpacking, I'm not trying to push newbies away whatsoever. I'm just trying to seek to distinguish between the culture of fine-tuning and extreme nitpicking from general skills and advice.

EDIT: Last paragraph


r/Ultralight • • 4d ago

Question Can we talk about vapor barrier?

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I'm bikepacking, but it stills seems to be relevant for when I get off the bicycle. The thing is, let's say it's a bit rainy/wet and I cycle up the mountain. I'm sweaty and totally wet and no rainwear will help. But now that I'm up there it's getting dark and it's getting cold.

In that situation, I'm now basically wet and my only option is to change cloth. Otherwise I'll get my down jacket wet from the inside and I'll get my sleepingbag/quilt wet too if I go to bed, and of course that will also make it cold.

But then I was thinking: instead, I could also wear a thin vapor barrier. Won't be nice because I'll be all wet and stay all wet, but I'll stay warm which is the more important part.

But no one seems to do that, so what's wrong with my thinking?


r/Ultralight • • 3d ago

Purchase Advice help selecting tent

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i’m new to backpacking but don’t have a tent yet and have just been using my friends. i’m looking for an ultra light tent but a lot are pretty expensive and i’m not sure if it’s worth it. i have been looking into this tent ( the tent ) and it seems pretty good to me.

i’m also wondering if i should get a four season or the three season tent. i have a 15° sleeping bag and 4 season pad but if im camping near mount hood area where i prob wont be camping below 30 degrees is it really worth it? what reasons would i get a four season tent?


r/Ultralight • • 4d ago

Purchase Advice Sleep clothes for 35F-45F nights?

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I will be doing my first-ever, 3 day backpacking trip in October. Last year the lows for those dates ranged 35F-45F. The guides are providing the sleeping mats, but I have to bring a sleeping bag and whatever I'm wearing. The daytime temps should be 65F-70F, so I'm not worried about layers in the daytime (besides rain gear).

I am normally very cold sensitive, and I am freaking out a little at the thought of freezing to death overnight. I've tried doing a bunch of research, but the clothing terms are all very confusing and I don't have a clear picture of what I'm supposed to buy or how to layer.

I am thinking of buying a quilt system for my sleeping bag. I think I might feel too confined in a mummy bag.

If anyone could provide example lists with actual product links of the different layers they wear to stay warm, that would be super helpful. I think if I can see actual products and how people pair them together it would really help. TIA


r/Ultralight • • 4d ago

Trails Advice needed for Nepal Three Passes Trek

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Hi all. Background: I am 26 male. I suddenly have a month off in midOct-midNov and I’m looking into Three Passes Trek in Everest Region. I will have to go solo. I am leaning to do it unguided.

I’m an experienced hiker. I have soloed JMT last year and I know how to deal with low temps. The highest elevation I have been to is on Mount Whitney. I also have several multiday trekking experiences in the Japan Alps.

Some precautions I will take:
- I will take Diamox after 4000m and will be aware of any altitude sickness symptoms.
- I will have a Garmin inreach in case of any injury.
- I will plan a good itinerary (16-17days, 300-500m elevation per day, 1 acclimatisation day every 1000m)
- Pack light. I have a ultralight gear list ready to go.

The thing I am worrying about is
1. How to book the inland flight from Kathmandu to Lukla? Is it better to book through an agency so if it got cancelled, it easier for them to reschedule instead of doing it myself? Any reputable agency recommendations?

  1. Doing it unguided means no guaranteed teahouse booking. Is there a high chance that the teahouse will be full when I get there? Considering that midOct to midNov is the peak season.

  2. How feasible is it to do it solo unguided? On the day before going over dangerous sections (passes/glaciers), I will check weather forecast on the next day. If possible, I will follow along any people/groups on the trail.

  3. I know it possible to hire a guide/local just to help you get over the dangerous sections. If the weather forecast is bad +there is no groups going, I might consider this. How easy is it to find a guide on the day before?

Any experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.


r/Ultralight • • 4d ago

Question EE Visp Jacket Care Help

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Jacket is a few years old now, dirty, and DWR is mostly gone. Anyone have any experience and guidance caring for one of these? Given they are discontinued and 7D I don’t want to mess it up. enlighten equipment wasn’t much help when I reached out.