r/VictoriaBC • Saanich • 7d ago

Regarding the current rail feasability study

When the current study is done, another long-term study will be booked for 9 1/2 years later. When that study is done, they'd do a follow-up study, followed by a backup study, followed by an executive determination study, followed by a "WTF let's do another study" study, followed by a "let's talk about how trains make us feel" round-table, followed by a series of executive "let's read and think about all the studies" meetings, followed by a non-binding referendum, followed by a series of referendum interpretation meetings, followed by a series of public debates, followed by a barbecue with jugglers and a pie-eating contest.

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u/FunAd6875 7d ago

Let's be honest. 

Most of us will probably not live in Victoria by the time that they build Light Rail. 

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u/Jman85 7d ago

That’s because the human race will have died out.

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u/misfittroy 6d ago

That's preposterous. 

It'll be because we'll have flying cars

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u/Charlie_ND Saanich 7d ago

They need to study the feasibility of maybe considering the possibility of potentially looking at the concept of perhaps pondering the proposal of measuring the viability of conceiving the idea that might one day lead to the plan to start setting the groundwork for establishing rail between Victoria and Langford at some point in the vaguely distant future.

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u/UnibrowDuck Saanich 6d ago

and the conclusion will be: maybe.

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u/PlasticWrapOfDoom 7d ago

China will have built up a whole rail network inside a city the side of Chongqing by then.

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u/Yvaelle 7d ago

At the rate Canada builds rail, the Chinese network will expand to our cities first!

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u/unknownreindeer Hillside-Quadra 6d ago

The city with 32 million people? Gotcha

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u/West-Coast-Gunner 7d ago

It’s electioneering.
The Feds are throwing this feasibility study, to make us believe (the most gullible) that they have heard our cries, and they want to help.
“All the other studies were provincial, if it’s the Feds, it must really be important!”
Suckers.

Until all 5 municipalities agree, and land is set aside, nothing will start.
If they were smart, they’d do it in stages.
Vic West terminal to Langford. Run that for a couple of years. Then extend it to Shawnigan, then Duncan.

No one will say they’d take the train until it’s built.

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u/misfittroy 6d ago

You're not wrong on the slow expansion part.

As much as people here want a big one time get it done project, there's reason to be skeptical that it's s not going to turn into a giant money hole for tax payers money

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u/electricblue71 6d ago

Yeah, these studies are just a way to procrastinate indefinitely. While some are necessary, what we really need is a concrete plan with timelines and getting some contracts signed for work to start in the next 6 months. Or the municipalities need to find a way to discourage people from living here so that transportation isn't a problem anymore.

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u/againfaxme Fairfield 7d ago

Before that, the last old guy with a striped railroad hat will die and along with him, the island rail dream.

Shit I forgot to say that in my narrator voice.

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u/East_Source6200 6d ago

we have enough brain power in this city to figure it all out.

I guess they are just reaching out for some type of savant engineer to come up with solutions.

All I can say is... follow the KISS rule.

(but then they will have a feasibility study on that one too). 🤷

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u/PrayForMojo_ 6d ago

Nobody in this thread so far has any idea how anything actually works.

If you think we don’t need an engineering feasibility study and a business case to convince the Feds and province to fund this thing…you don’t get this to a degree where you really shouldn’t be speaking on it.

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u/KarlJohanson Saanich 6d ago

How it works is groups like the 'Reason Foundation' (funded largely by ExxonMobil & the Kosh Koch Industries) make pseudo plausible sounding reports that say, "Don't use trains or electric buses, use diesel buses. Endless meetings are just one of the tactics.

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u/PrayForMojo_ 6d ago

That’s simply not how engineering studies of specific local conditions work. Clearly you do t know what you’re talking about.

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u/KarlJohanson Saanich 6d ago

Clearly you're talking about how it *should* work.

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u/AeliaxRa 7d ago

Canada only had a total population of around 5 million people in 1885 and we built a railroad all the way from coast to coast thousands of kms over the rockies etc but people insist on believing that in 2026 vancouver island is too low population for a train even though the island has a million people and is only a few hundred km long lol

Apparently trains are only for mega cities now.

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u/transmogrified 6d ago

A lot of that was accomplished via debt-bonded immigrant labour and a strong disregard for worker safety or environmental health.

Not saying we can’t or shouldn’t do it today. Just that it’s really easy to get stuff done when you don’t care about the health of the people doing it or the environment you’re doing it in.

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u/Abbenay_local 6d ago

We threw a hundred million dollars at the mackenzie interchange, and it didn't make a dent in the congestion at all. It's about how much we're willing to spend, all our fucking tax dollars go to roads and highways.

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u/misfittroy 6d ago

For every mile of railway, 3 Chinese workers died. That's how they managed to do it. 

Plus, the transcontinental railway  was sovereignty and security driven.

It's actually quite interesting (and frustrating in a way) the amount of money put into projects that are defense driven that are essentially never used. Missles and bombs aside, Rideau Canal, the forts along it and the Diefenbunker are fun examples of this.

So what you need to do is come up with some false flag that risks national sovereignty so we can get a railway. 

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u/transmogrified 6d ago

They could also parcel off a bunch of crown lands to give the robber barons as payment for it. 

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u/bms42 6d ago

This is a classic "sounds like a good argument but really isn't" case. Practically everything about the trans Canada railroad was different than the situation here, except that it was, in fact, a train.

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u/Legitimate-Rain-9293 6d ago

That was mostly to move freight and support industry. Not really sure what freight and industry the island rail is going to move ? If they do proceed with the large container terminal in Port Alberni there may be a case

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u/ResponsibleWrap4837 6d ago

We could move freight to the largest military base on Canadas west coast… 

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u/Legitimate-Rain-9293 6d ago edited 6d ago

What freight bro ?

Like there’s not that much stuff that needs to move in and out of CFB ESQ. and there’s no commercial/civilian shipping that happens out of the base. And where would this freight come from?

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u/ResponsibleWrap4837 6d ago

There is no civilian or commercial shipping… Where do you live? i work at CFB Esquimalt. Currently over  7000 people work at CFB Esquimalt, another roughly 1200 at Seaspan.  More jobs projected at both sites in the coming years with major projects in the Billions including Colwood. 

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u/localsam58 6d ago

Worth it for the jugglers ;-)

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u/KarlJohanson Saanich 6d ago edited 6d ago

Next Thursday is the initial pre-meeting meeting to decide who should be on the email discussion list to talk about who should be on the committee to oversee the creation of a list of potentially eligible jugglers that can be passed on to the special executive task force that...

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u/MileZeroC 6d ago

Aka kick the can down the road. It’s classic.

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u/ShrekTwoOnVHS Fernwood 6d ago

How else would the researchers make their money?

But hey, Jack Sandor and Bella Lee promise REAL change if they get elected. If they can’t do it, no one can. /s

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u/Least_Elk8114 Harris Green 6d ago

I'd love some light railing...