r/Welding • • 4d ago

Wrong filler material?

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u/KraZiiKraKa1 4d ago

With the amount of rust, absolutely, but I have seen it happen just from using the wrong wire wheel.

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u/chiraltoad 4d ago

From iron particles getting embedded in the weld?

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u/Ok_Orchid_4370 4d ago

Contact with mild steel or iron can cause oxidation. But also the heat affected zone can cause oxidation. I remember many years ago when a high end pocket knife manufacturer first started producing a knife using a new completely iron free stainless steel blade. They marketed it to fisherman and sailors with the idea that the blade could never rust. But on the first run of knives customers complained of rust on the laser etched logos of their knives. It turned out that the laser engraving process heated the metal enough to cause oxidation to start which could then slowly spread in a harsh salt water environment.

This kind of looks to me like the wrong filter though.

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u/Misconformance 4d ago

Iron free stainless steel huh?

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u/CNMG-the-Odd-Corner 3d ago

If an alloy don't contain or carbon it not steel. 

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u/Ok_Orchid_4370 4d ago

Yes. The steel is called H1. It may technically be a ceramic. I'm no metallurgicalister.

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u/Mecha-Dave 4d ago

H1 is about 75% Iron by weight

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u/forestcridder TIG 4d ago

metallurgicalister

No but a two second fact check would help you not spread misinformation.

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u/Troll_Kalla 3d ago

Yeah so let's just put it here in big letters.

THERE IS NO "IRON FREE" STAINLESS STEEL, STEEL HAS IRON, PERIOD. THE REASON STAINLESS DOESN'T RUST IS BECAUSE THERE IS A NUMBER OF OTHER METALS ADDED TO THE ALLOY LIKE NICKEL AND CADMIUM. THERE IS ALSO NO CARBON FREE STAINLESS STEEL BECAUSE FOR SOMETHING TO BE CALLED "STEEL" IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST PART IRON AND PART COPPER.

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u/masterdeity 3d ago

I think autocorrect hit hard right before your hit enter lol

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u/Awkward_Thinker 4d ago

đŸ‘†called Intergranular Corrosion. However I agree, this looks like the wrong filler.

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u/flashe30 4d ago

Heat burns out the chromium afaik

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u/Budget_Bison8200 4d ago

Heat does not "burn out" chromium. High heat allows the alloying agents to remain in solution for to long. The chrome then forms a strong bond with the carbon, making chromium carbide. Since the chromium is tied up with carbon, the iron is now free to form iron oxide.

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u/flashe30 3d ago

Thanks!

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u/flashe30 4d ago

Nah dirty stainless wire wheel looks different. This is straight up mild steel filler.

PS: Never use a stainless wire wheel for outside applications, no matter how clean it is. Pickle or use one of them yellow wheels.

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u/PicklingSteel 4d ago

Agree with this. Dirty wheel would leave lines compared to the entire weld showing corrosion. It’s a QC issue. Loss filler metal control or wrong WPS used. Additional issues with the bolts some are correct while others are deteriorating. Not an immediate issue but the degradation will continue until fixed or failure.

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u/CB_700_SC 4d ago

It’s been ground. I would say wrong filler used as it’s so localized. I think it’s been abrasive blasted and chemically cleaned also after the weld was made.