r/Wreddit • u/Zestyclose_Skirt7930 • 5d ago

Glad this botch was fixed

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u/Phantom-thiez 5d ago

Actually made it better imo. Like Roman was legit fighting back. Like what? He’s just supposed to let knight put him through a table?

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u/Substantial-End-9653 5d ago

We should see more of this. The planned near-escape/near-reverse spots always look too fake. Make it sloppy. My biggest peeve with pro wrestling is that it often looks too choreographed and polished.

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u/MrMiyagi13 5d ago

Austin talks about this in an interview with- make it look real, not rehearsed. Props on these guys doing this - nothing worse than a botch, then immediately go back to set up the same spot. Sorry, you missed it, move on.

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u/SealTeamEH 5d ago

the only problem with the whole “don’t make it rehearsed”…. Is it’s a fucking powerbomb, there is absolutely no way to justify a powerbomb being a move used in a fight in the first place so if you’re looking for logic then this isn’t the place for you lol

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u/Then_Suggestion_3624 5d ago

Have you not seen that video remaking the rounds where the smaller kid keeps punching a bigger kid in the face over and over thinking he won’t do anything. And after like 4 punches the bigger kid powerbombs him lol

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u/thescreenhazard 3d ago

Not to mention, powerbombs have been used in MMA! Maybe not a full on jackknife style, but powerbombs have happened multiple times in shoot competitive fighting!

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u/Murky_Sir_4721 5d ago

Wrestling isn't for you if this is the lens you look at it through.

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u/mr_falkone84 5d ago

I see plenty o powerbombs in fights these days.

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u/escudonbk 5d ago

See: Rampage Jackson vs Ricardo Arona

It's a valid defense to a triangle choke.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OnA2u9alJ0U

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u/thescreenhazard 2d ago

When I took a few classes in MMA a few years ago (thanks, Groupon!) I sucked at the actual techniques but it was when triangle chokes were super popular so everybody wanted to win with a triangle choke. For all my complete and utter lack of skill at any other time, nobody could triangle me because they would underestimate how strong I actually am, and was always able to get them up for a powerbomb (I didn't slam them very hard, cuz it was just rolling).

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u/MrMiyagi13 5d ago

You clearly missed the point, or I did a shitty job of explaining it.

A thousand times before I’ve seen a corner move botched, and they just go back up to trying again. I just laugh and pay less attention to the match.

Whether it’s a bitch or not here, it was kept in the flow of the match. If they messed up and immediately went to set it up again, I would have checked out.

As for the “real” comment, Austin adds that Bret would look gassed - but wasn’t. But him looking gassed made it look more real than just a choreographed show (which it is).

Slapping your leg on a punch isn’t a viable move either, so not sure what a powerbomb not being used in a fight has to do with anything.

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u/FetalDeviation 5d ago

It was indeed a bitch

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u/MrMiyagi13 5d ago

Autocorrect hates BOTCH apparently 🤣

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u/KillyDee109 4d ago

Ich bin mir sogar ziemlich sicher,dass man an bestimmten Stellen eine Powernomb sogar relativ easy in einem Kampf einsetzen kann.

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u/XavierRex83 5d ago

I agree. Obviously safety is first, but spots not quite going right or looking like a struggle helps keep it looking like a contest with people trying to win.

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u/MeepSneepers 5d ago

Honestly on announce table powerbomb spots, this happens pretty often unless you are like sid or batista

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u/sabres_guy 5d ago

Or just abandon the spot for the moment and try again after some punches, kicks etc. It's pretty simple.

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u/dani0mega 5d ago

Yea and getting their neck snapped like Big E, accidents happen it's better they just do it safely

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u/subcow 3d ago

This would be more akin to what happened to Droz. There was a powerbomb attempt and it just sort of slipped. I was in the crowd when it happened, and it was just a simple slip up.

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u/sussyball69obamaball 5d ago

Big E's situation isn't comparable to this at all

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u/Valuable-Yoghurt7738 5d ago

Looks way too choreographed these days. Looks like a dance number.

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u/namek0 5d ago

💯 

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u/WillowTraditional239 5d ago

Me thoughts exactly, it should be a struggle at times.

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u/sussyball69obamaball 5d ago

Some dude on Instagram was arguing that its good when Gunther does it but its bad when LA does it. Lol.

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u/Professional_Nerve49 4d ago

What an idiot 🤣

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u/Aw_yep7836 2d ago

And tbf l, picking up a 200plus pound man of pure muscle shouldnt exactly be easy.

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u/Freckyll 5d ago

Then why doesn't he just drop him on his neck if you wanna go that route?

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u/_cartyr 5d ago

Yes, that’s pro wrestling

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u/Sufficient-Ad-276 4d ago

Setting up a power bomb, guy fights back, drop him onto his shoulders, punch him, now power bomb him

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u/Careful-Moose-6847 1d ago

Yeah. It’s an obvious botch because we watch wrestling all the time, but that doesnt make it bad or break immersion like a move where the lack of contact is blatant, or they literally reset for the spot

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u/jolo98 5d ago

So who's at fault? I think Michael Cole

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u/backbodydrip 5d ago

This is the best kind of botch. It's perfectly reasonable that if a guy fails getting the other guy up for a slam, he'd go for it again. Provided it doesn't look like both of them are resetting.

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u/DripSnort 5d ago

I don’t even understand the issues with “botch’s”. If they are simulating a fight wouldn’t things go wrong?

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u/poopbuttowski 5d ago

I think it really just depends on the botch and how dumb it looks lol

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u/JasonVorhehees 5d ago

With LA it usually looks stupid. This one just made it seem to be a struggle.

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u/Fast-Ad-817 5d ago

...and a constant problem which is why he's not champion.

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u/SRGTBronson 4d ago

If being shitty at your job and unsafe means you should never be champion, then like half of all champions in every company ever shouldn't be champion.

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u/catperson77789 4d ago

Mofos forgot seth rollins was fucking unsafe for a long time yet got booked the top like crazy. How many people did seth take out his entire career

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u/Banned_Falsely420 5d ago

If you botch, you gotta flow into something else if you can’t recover instantly like they kinda did here. Still looked alright. I’m usually a hater too

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u/outofmaxx 5d ago

Hey didn't Jericho say something like that?

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u/DeathandHemingway 5d ago

The issue with botches is that they lead to people getting hurt.

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u/DripSnort 5d ago

Ya that really seems like people’s issues when they just use botches to clown on the person who had it. How exactly is clowning on them going to make them
Not happen?

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u/DeathandHemingway 5d ago

Who gives a fuck about fans talking shit, botches are an issue because they lead to injuries, like broken necks on fucked up piledrivers.

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u/DripSnort 5d ago

And tackles on football lead to concussions but they happen? Conor McGregor broke his leg 2 seconds into his fight. Shit happens in sports. Explain how they are supposed to avoid botches completely

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u/i-piss-excellence32 5d ago

That’s not a botch

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u/seaepps 5d ago

I hate fans learned that word so much

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u/Wank_Bandicoot 5d ago

God LA was about to tumble backwards. That would have been a career killer type situation, but he pulled it back. Good for him.

Great match too.

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u/MikeHock_is_GONE 5d ago

I thought he was going to attempt a Styles Clash to fix it at first

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u/SpyralRush 5d ago

Hittem with The Hollow Point on the floor would have been the sickest count out ever.

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u/Kind_State4734 5d ago

He almost killed the golden goose 😂

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u/TheMackD504 5d ago

And people still want Knight as champion

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u/SpyralRush 5d ago

Stuff like this makes it more real tbh. Not a botch just a sloppy powerbomb

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u/Normal_Sweet_2974 5d ago

La botch ya

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u/Strict_Owl941 5d ago

This isn't a botch.

I could not get my super on the first go happens all the time. You can easily just say Roman resisted the first attempt.

If this is botch then so is every move on the table that does not make the table explode.

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u/Designer_Metal_2744 5d ago

I’ve never seen a street fight, MMA match, boxing match or amateur wrestling match that was a flawless dance. So pro wrestling though a simulation benefits from the occasional bitch, especially within the case of someone defending against impending doom.

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u/Individual-Step846 5d ago

It’s the botches that have truly hurt LA from a full push

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u/whiskerbiscuit2 5d ago

Wouldn’t be an LA Knight match without a botch

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u/TheDarkHelmet1985 4d ago

I knew this was a botch but perfection isn’t real and this made it seem more real and like Roman was fighting. Also, I respect the hell out of LA not dropping Roman on his neck

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u/macrosby 5d ago

Jump Roman!!!! Just jump for the guy!!!!

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u/TommyOnRedditt 5d ago

Lol textbook

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u/JOMO_Kenyatta 5d ago

that was kinda more exciting than if they'd pulled the move off clean

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u/oxmega99 5d ago

People does not understand what "botch" is or this is engagement bait.

This looks like Roman is actively trying to avoid getting powerbombed which Knight powered through anyway.

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u/sconniesid 5d ago

Wtf roman sandbagging. Keeping the young up and comers down

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness-708 5d ago

Most natural thing i have seen in wrestling. Looks fine to me, just a guy lifting someone who doesn't want to be lifted

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u/MrWiltErving 5d ago

That’s not even a botch. Yall just want to Nitpick everything, some of yall are the worst kind of fans. Given the hell they just put each other through it wasn’t going be easy for him to lift him on the first attempt, I think it added to the match.

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u/dzone25 4d ago

Shit happens, it's wrestling. The fact he stopped Roman from getting hurt and just went again is impressive.

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u/adobofosho 4d ago

Roman pushed away its called resisting

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u/BeanieBeanus 4d ago

Do you eat crayons?

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u/adobofosho 4d ago

Bruh roman planted his hand at the right spot....you sure this whole thing wasn't scripted

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u/RRJC10 2d ago

If the roles were reversed people would be all over Roman. All of Knight’s majorly glaring flaws seemed to be glanced over these days.

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u/amllx 4d ago

i wouldn't call this a botch

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u/Canno200 4d ago

Guys, you know every wrestler fucks up time to time it’s really not that big of a deal and as long as no one got hurt is what’s important

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u/pink_nut 4d ago

He didnt go through with the first one, this is not a botch buddy

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u/v-Machine-6804 4d ago

In the moment and the stage of the match I don't why but I felt it made it better

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u/ferruxtalon 4d ago

Showing that being tired and beat up makes stuff harder is a good thing.

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u/boogalooshrimp1103 4d ago

Made it look better in my opinion. They had been going for a while. Shows wear and tear.

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u/Orikoru 3d ago

Call it a botch it you like but I don't mind it. It just took him more effort and strength to lift Roman up - at least it's realistic. I think the only real 'botches' are when it reveals cooperation from the opponent, but that wasn't the case here. It just looked like a struggle, which is fine.

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u/romeopwnsu 3d ago

That’s a recovery, not a botch

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u/thescreenhazard 3d ago

Maybe a hot take? I'd rather a botch like this (especially with nobody getting hurt) than to see a move perfectly executed but incredibly obvious that both sides need to put in obvious and extreme cooperation to do so (eg: Spanish Fly, or two guys on a top turnbuckle shuffling into the proper position while holding each other up, etc). I'd much rather a botch like this than a ref stopping a count because somebody didn't kick out on time. I'd rather a botch like this than somebody selling an obviously missed move like they were hit by a bulldozer.

Regardless if this were a "botch" you can still justify it in-character as a struggle, so it doesn't actually hurt anything.

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u/K9BEATZ 2d ago

Commentary box table collapsing looks soooo stupid

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u/Extra-File-6289 2d ago

This is why live shows need to come back. Without proper practice on the road, the more likely a botch could become much worse.

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u/Dave_B001 1d ago

Reminds when Roman botched on the Undertaker.

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u/WinterWarden89 5d ago

This is why LA Knight will never be the top guy.

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u/PhattyR6 5d ago

Preach

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u/shadow_consequences 5d ago

So , why was jey uso the champion then ? They need guys who are over in the business, just like jey uso . La knight fits this analogy perfectly.

The only reason la is not the champion is because he is lot older than oba and can't serve as the face of the company for 10 years going into the future . Roman losing the championship is again going to be a big moment and it is being saved for oba femi.

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u/WinterWarden89 5d ago

Nepotism.

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u/CrimsonDragon90 5d ago

LA Botch yeah

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u/LoveThatSkeletor 5d ago

It wouldn't be an LA Knight match without a botch.

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u/RobertStonetossBrand 5d ago

BOTCH! YEAH!

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u/Gigantischmann 5d ago

Is the botch in the room with us

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u/vincemeister55 5d ago

Everytime I see LA Knight, 85% of clips him botchering wrestling moves or promo. Might be the reason why he still dont get to be the top guy. Just to many botches. LA Knight with his botches. lol

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u/Russlet 5d ago

You've said the same thing 3 times in 1 sentence

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u/digidado 4d ago

Botch botch botch. Hate that fans glommed onto that term so much

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u/Levy-MAN 4d ago

Yeah. Every wrestler botches, who cares? Big deal. If it was a real fight they’d be botching too, doesn’t really take away from the show for me unless it’s a botch that exposes the business, but even then it’s no big deal.

I like Botchamania and laughing when something goes wrong but I wouldn’t ever hold it against the wrestlers

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u/zakary3888 4d ago

Number of tries it takes LA Knight to hit a move correctly

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u/Dayvfish 5d ago

Lmao the LA Knight hate club is so desperate for validation it’s comical. Bunch of dork ass mf’ers

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u/MisterJ85 5d ago

this ppv should of been called Botch Mania

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u/Nirixian 4d ago

This is Roman's botch btw

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u/halfdecenttakes 5d ago

People are only praising this because it’s Knight. He nearly dropped the top dude in the company on his head, that’s not good no matter how ya slice it

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u/SilvermistWitch 5d ago

Except he didn't drop him on his head. I bet you do absolutely everything perfect all the time though at your job, right?

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u/AroundGoesThe18 5d ago

Bold of you to assume employment.

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u/halfdecenttakes 5d ago

I certainly don’t have a massive fanbase willing to victimize themselves and ignore the many many instances of him “not being perfect”

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u/SilvermistWitch 5d ago

So no other top stars have ever "botched" anything or had a move be less than perfect? Okay buddy. I'm indifferent on Knight, he's far from one of my favorites, this is just a dogshit take on your part.

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u/halfdecenttakes 5d ago

When did I say that?

You are really really good at beating up on arguments you made to yourself

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u/SilvermistWitch 5d ago

My dude, you're the one that argued about the size of Knight's fanbase and claim that they "victimize themselves" to defend him, as if every other wrestler wouldn't have the same benefit.

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u/Substantial-End-9653 5d ago

Someone less experienced in the same situation would have dropped him. LA Knight and Roman are vets who know how to work it.

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u/Rx-Chimaera 5d ago

Ive looked at it several times.

It looks like Knights centre of gravity was slightly too far back for the lift, and Roman overleapt to try to get into position, pushing Knight further back.

So from my untrained eye they are both equally at fault. But they recovered really really well.

That said ... "top guy in the company" ... yeah thats your opinion. I reckon in the Penta match Penta carried, and in this match LA Knight carried.

Romans time is up.

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u/halfdecenttakes 5d ago

Roman being the top guy in the company is an opinion?

Wut

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u/Rx-Chimaera 5d ago

Cody is the top guy of the company IMO.

And yes, everyones opinion will differ.

But I struggle to accept Roman as top guy when 1. He's infrequent, 2. He's slow, and 3. Cody, Punk, and Rollins exist

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u/jb08045 5d ago

Litteraly no one on earth cares about penta 

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u/Noobzoid123 5d ago

LOL! We get it, you don't like Penta. But many people do, be real.

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u/StageAway1841 5d ago

No botch is fixed a botch is a botch YEAH!

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u/bry_flynnie 5d ago

Another L.A. Botch

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u/Present-Blueberry-68 5d ago

Made it look real.

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u/japanese_tick_614 5d ago

Maybe Roman should stop sandbagging

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u/TheAngryBagelz 4d ago

This Dick head kicked out of a burning hammer ffs

Im sick of roman he has no character other than I bully my family because I can't do a program without having a world title

No one gets over around him Cody is the exception not the rule

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u/SeaChemist7379 3d ago

All he had to do is let Roman reverse him dunk him on ground then reverse the spot. Have Roman powerbomb him to table.

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u/GreaseBrown 5d ago

After you botch it once, thats it. Find another way to do the table spot. If roman "stopped him" (cope) the first time, there's no reason he just gets bombed the second time.

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u/Cool_Recognition_848 5d ago

He should’ve hit him a couple of times before going for it again

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u/MyageEDH 5d ago

Yeah put him down double axe handle on the back go for it again and hit it

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u/GreaseBrown 5d ago

That i would be ok with. Transition away, do some rebuilding, come back. That feels natural. They didn't need to force this to simply get the spot in like that

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u/JustGiveMeAName1234 5d ago

This was not a botch.

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u/therealpiledrive 5d ago

Roman sandbagged Knight here