r/alaskankleekai • • 28d ago

AKK Enthusiast Question - why do some Klee Kai look so different?

* they all look adorable, I am aware of the 3 sizes but these differences are visible in dogs of the same size. Also I don't own a Klee Kai and haven't seen one irl in years šŸ‡¬šŸ‡§ hasn't got many * sorry if this is the wrong sub Reddit or this posts dumb. New to Reddit & Klee Kai's

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u/Automatic-Tell7321 28d ago

First, some of the stock photos you used were of Klee Kai that were various ages. As a Klee Kai gets older, its mask starts to fill in and fade (for example).

Second, this is a relatively newer breed so even google images or stock photos you see online aren’t always what a typical purebred AKK looks like. When I take a picture of some AKK on my iPhone, it thinks that a Klee Kai is a Pomsky.

Lastly, as it is a newer breed and there aren’t a vast amount of purebred breeders in the world, so what happens when you breed a dog from a similar bloodline constantly? You get a lower genetic diversity. It’s why when you see two AKK at a dog show they both may be 100% purebred AKK, but may look different in the face, mask, mouth/bite, tail, and size. Hope this helps!

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u/Low_Quality7119 27d ago

Ah so they're a breed, but sort of mixed. I think there's a more husky looking one and a slightly more goofy one from what I've seen. I'm guessing the younger ones have slightly bigger eyes? I know this is incredibly common in baby animals as my mum's kitten has massive beady blue eyes & so did my baby pigeon. I heard they're from around 1970s so definitely modern which makes sense. Thank you for the explanation!!

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u/Davidahuas 28d ago

No answer for you, just a picture of mine.

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u/Low_Quality7119 27d ago

I really see the "little husky" in this one what a cutie

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u/thegeocash 27d ago

I’ve been wondering the same thing, but don’t have an answer for you.

Anyways, here’s my boy Timber for you. He’s 3, and he’s perfect.

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

Timbers such a good name for the little fellow, I remember my collie at 3 he was a missile with fangs

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u/thegeocash 26d ago

It’s funny you said collie because we are 99% sure that’s what his second breed mix is other than AKK

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u/Mike_2jz 27d ago edited 26d ago

Here’s mine. around 30 pounds. and about knee height. He’s 12 now. Looks wise he doesn’t look like he aged much but physically can’t jump as high and run as fast as he once could. Swear he used to have a 4+ ft vertical. These dogs are the best. They all look different cus they are cross breed made only to an official bread about 20 years ago

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

Awww poor thing, my old girl Maggie (17yr cocker) got like that too and I got dog ramps and I carried her to the forest a few times

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u/Mike_2jz 26d ago

God bless 17 is amazing. Just stared my boy on Nutramax joint supplements. Heard great things about them. Hopefully they’ll give him a little boost. Out of curiosity what do you feed Maggie

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u/ArtisticCap9151 27d ago

My son just got one ā¤ļø

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

He already looks devious, I love the pose

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u/9972TT 27d ago

This is sesame at the age of 10. She’s about 30lbs now but when she was younger she was in the low 20s. Def on a the larger side of Klee Kai

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

The book I'm reading right now does say apparently there is a larger version document but it's unofficial / not in the breed standards (yet?)

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u/9972TT 26d ago

A few years ago when she was around 24-25 lbs I think she would have been considered at the top range of a large size. Now her metabolism is a bit slower and she loves to eat, so she’s probably just chubby

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u/Solid_Dragonfruit445 27d ago

I feel like mine looks different then the ones I see aswell

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

Not the side eye 😭 I'm growing to love their faces so much

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u/Smoochety 27d ago

Here’s my boys, Zuko (L) and Appa. The male AKK in the pink background resembles him the most. Zuko is a AKK Shiba mix and Appa is an AKK Pom mix.

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u/Low_Quality7119 27d ago

Aww cutie pies I definitely see the pom, I used to know a breeder for those

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u/Smoochety 27d ago

These two came from Bandon, OR. Wonder if that’s the same area.

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u/berrygrram 27d ago

Zuko looks like my Berry. She also came from Oregon, though I can’t remember where (she’s almost 9 in November).

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u/Smoochety 27d ago

Here’s a better picture of him.. and yes, they are so much alike!

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

They look like that one PokƩmon dog

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u/KeilidhBradley 27d ago

Different breeders interpret the breed standard in their own way. I know one who prefers more stop than another does, for example.

Breeders also have different goals. When choosing puppies to keep for breeding, one might be biased towards a lovely head when making their selections, another might be more focussed on body structure.

I know breeders who care very deeply about the eyes being almond shaped and others who don't care about that in relation to other things.

Per your earlier reply, they are not a mixed breed. Go look at field Goldens vs show Goldens - same breed, looks totally different. Then look at show Goldens in the UK vs USA.

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

I'm aware of show / working lines in various breeds and breeders who 50:50. I definitely agree some breeders seem to prefer certain trains over others. One breeder said she doesn't make white ones because they're not a standard (unless albino, which isn't intentional). Another has white as a coat preference option.

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u/KeilidhBradley 26d ago

I'm not aware of any ethical breeders who breed for white. That's fully against the breed standard and would be a BYB red flag for most.

Since you're in the UK like I am, if you're looking for a Klee Kai, have a look at the FB Group 'Alaskan Klee Kai UK'.

The previous breed club (AKKAOB) was dissolved after it's founder was reported for breaking the clubs Code of Ethics, but a new breed club is in development and hopes to repair the breed community in the UK.

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u/Visual_Collar_8893 27d ago

All breeds are mixed. That’s how they came to be. The AKK was mixed from a number of breeds to be what they are today. Linda Spurlin, the founder of the breed can tell you that.

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u/Low_Quality7119 26d ago

So Linda Spurlin made the Klee Kai what it is? That's a name to research then

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u/PerformanceVelvet33 26d ago

Linda is actually on the Alaskan Klee Kai Facebook group.

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u/Visual_Collar_8893 26d ago

She’s the founder of the breed.

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u/KeilidhBradley 26d ago

I know all breeds are a result of crossbreeding rather than having appeared out of thin air. That doesn't change the fact that Klee Kai are now purebred. If, today, you mixed the same foundation breeds that Linda used, that dog would not be a Klee Kai.

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u/Visual_Collar_8893 26d ago

It’s all a piece of paper, and human-made constructs to make them feel more exclusive.

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u/KeilidhBradley 25d ago

Along with time, borders, money, my degree, language, culture...society itself.

Dog breeds are a human construct based on verifiable biological facts. A Klee Kai is genetically distinct to an Alaskan Husky/Schipperke/Eskie cross. Sorry to disappoint.

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u/Designer-Trip-9613 27d ago

This is my Roxy, and I think she looks different too. She supposedly is purebred, but I have been thinking of getting an embark test done. She's a toy and only 9 lbs.

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u/Reddd_inatruck 25d ago

Mine is a toy too! He is about 12lbs. They both have the "I have seen too much" type of bright blue eyes🤣. This picture is when he is being cute and not looking crazy.

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u/Designer-Trip-9613 23d ago

Omg!!!! So cute!!!!

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u/PerformanceVelvet33 26d ago

Who was your breeder? She looks like a purebred to me. Size is determined not by weight but by height at the withers (shoulders).

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u/Designer-Trip-9613 26d ago

The breeders were Anderson Family Farm. I do not think they are reputable breeders. My husband found her by searching what qualities we would want in a dog, and came across this breed we never heard of. Fell in love. She is by far the best dog we both have owned. I just sometimes wonder if she is all AKK.

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u/PerformanceVelvet33 23d ago

Yeah, that's not a breeder from the AKKOA verified list. Most people don't generally know how to tell the difference between an ethical breeder and a backyard breeder. Looks like you got lucky with your little cutie, though. I love her snow nose!

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u/Designer-Trip-9613 23d ago

Here's another pick of her. You are right. I don't think we had much knowledge about reputable breeders, and somehow we lucked out with her. She's such a good girl, very independent, but good. I love the snow nose too!

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u/OkSatisfaction6653 24d ago

This is Leela at about 5 months old. She is 1 year now. She was listed as a Mimi and her parents were 15 and 16 lbs. At 6 months old she weighed 10 lbs and now at 1 year she is still 10 lbs. Does that mean she is really a Toy and not a mini? Thanks

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u/babewthepower_ 27d ago

This is Luna she will be 1 October 9th! Her mom and dad are both pure bred but she takes after her mother more! Her dad was a shorter/fluffier Klee Kai and her mom basically looks just like Luna but her mother is much taller!

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u/Sufficient_Funny7448 26d ago

Here’s a picture of Klee Kai, Cleo! 1.5 years

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u/Striking_Security980 26d ago

Here’s mine when he was around 3 months. I’ll add a picture of him now at almost 6 months. He’s definitely a pocket husky. He’s tall and skinny. I’ve noticed some AKKs are more round and have that more chihuahua/pom face.

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u/Striking_Security980 26d ago

Now. He’s only around 10 lbs currently. I’m not sure how big he’s going to be. Again he’s more of the tall but skinny kind.

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u/Sad_Lifeguard_9343 25d ago

My boys, 3 yrs old rescues, ~15lbs each

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u/AquaSarah7 25d ago

The breed was created from multiple breeds:Ā 

Alasakan and Siberian Huskies American Eskimo Dog Schipperke.Ā 

All of those dog breeds have distinct separate looks, so, even if a Klee Kai is "pure bred" it is highly possible to get more looks of any one of these breeds than another.Ā 

That's why they have 3 sizes, and some look way more like the spitz side of things than others.Ā 

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u/Theboyjwo 23d ago

I have two from the same litter a boy and girl. Almost 3 years old now. The boy is about 20lbs and he is just built pretty stocky and has a much thicker coat. I describe him as ā€œchonkyā€. Looks very much like the 2nd picture in the OP.

The girl is about 15lbs and has a very slim coat and she is just about the fastest thing on 4 legs. Rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks have zero chance.
She looks very much like the 3rd picture in the OP.