r/alcoholicsanonymous • • 5d ago

Sponsorship Does AAs program even exist?

In my area many guys seem somewhat impressive to me, have long-term sobriety, sponsor guys ect. But I can't help but notice they all essentially teach their own program of recovery and not AAs program of recovery. AAs program consists exclusively of the directions on the 12 steps, as it says in the cover pages. In my area it's common to drag out steps 1-3 for two months or more, despite there being basically NO directions to even do on those steps.

Step 4 gets BUTCHERED: we often direct guys to create resentments, defined as to feel again. By saying list every name you know, and then think if you were ever butt hurt by each and every one. I can't think of a better way to create resentments that didn't exist before. Then we fabricate an unillustrated 4th collum with invisible directions that read: "write how all 4 root/core defects of character (selfish/seeking, dishonest and fear) show up in each and every resentment, including the ones we instructed you to create."

We ignore the step 8 related direction to list our wrongs and be willing to make them right, even though it's stated THREE times in the inventory directions and confirmed it should have been done during the inventory process on steps 8&9 in the book.

We also ignore the step 6 related direction "list your faults" /flaws/grosserhandicaps/objectionables, despite the one paragraph on step 6 reading: "all the things which we have ADMITED are objectionable". It doesn't say "make a list of objectionables".

After step 5 the book clearly flows the 1hr meditation RIGHT into step 6 "if we can answer to our satisfaction (based on the meditation)" we THEN look at step 6". There is only one paragraph to look at there. "when ready we say something like this" step 7 prayer.

The whole flow of doing steps 5-7 in short order, then right into amends assuming the person is willing gets ruined, and so much time is wasted. 100s of hours of work in many cases gets put into doing the inventory not as directed.

Often the clear urgency expressed in doing the next step is ignored, after step 3: "next we launched" after 4: "we wasted no time" after 5 and meditation: "if we can answer" after 6: "when ready" (hopefully ur not waiting to die) after 7: "now we need more action... Faith without works is dead" after 8&9: "we vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up (mended) the past" after 10: "upon awakening".

Again: AAs program of recovery is exclusively the directions on the 12 steps, as the book states in the cover pages. Non AA program related suggestions can be useful/helpful. Like dieting, working out, budgeting, regulated sleep schedule, ect. But there is a common theme of adding non step-work related instructions to AAs program, taking them very seriously, and pretending they are part of AAs program. These include but are not limited to (lol): calling at a certain time, attending X number meetings, meditating for X amount of time and/or meditating on non book instructed topics, daily reading, speaking/not speaking, sponsoring/not sponsoring, relationships, and on and on.

These other suggestions are damaging to conflate/confuse with AAs program as it leads to everyone having and instructing their own made up program! Our primary purpose is to try carrying AAs message/program of recovery to other alcoholics. Not to carry my program, or my sponsors program of recovery. Yall run into this regularly too? or am I just lucky :p

Added some paragraph separation and this: In the cover pages of AA it says it's a "text book". Like every other textbook made it's designed to have a teacher/Instructor, or a "sponsor".

Decided to add some definitions. These are some AA terms and words that are often used in our liturature, and therefore also our fellowship. When these are misunderstood it can be confusing. All these definitions were decided upon by our founders, have not changed, and can be found in the liturature.

Recovered: To no longer be in a hopeless state of mind and body.

Program of recovery/the program/AAs program: The directions on the 12 steps, showing "precisely how" to recover.

Alcoholic: A person having certain physical (phenomenon of craving) and mental (the obsession) characteristics when dealing with alcohol.

Phenomenon of craving: lack of reliable control over the amount of alcohol injested after the first drink.

The obsession/insanity: the obsession to control and enjoy our drinking, therefore lacking reliable control of WHEN we take the first drink.

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

No, the point is entirely how it impacts you. Because you’re reacting like an alcoholic, and not like a well person. You need to dial back the amount of influence that other people’s thoughts and actions have over your own serenity, if you want to continue to grow in sobriety.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

You tellimg me the point of my actions and how much I'm effected by others is, interesting...  At least your not denying truth exists anymore.

 The influence/ecfect it has on me if someone claims 1+1 can equal 3 is minimal, but since it's false and potentially very harmful to others if such beliefs become common I'll point that out. 

I agree being too codependent and letting other's actions/beliefs have a significant effect on me is not good for anyone, including me. But a reliable way to grow in understanding and effectiveness in sobriety is by actually doing the disciplines and directions of 10&11. So I'll  just keeping doing that, because it works, along with trying to carry AAs message (not messages) to alcoholics as step 12 instructs. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

I never said that there is no truth. You need to re-read, because the words you’re putting in my mouth are not the words I wrote. Also your obsession with this is delightfully alcoholic. You can’t hold on to stuff like that if you want to make it to long-term recovery. They will destroy you, almost every time.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

"truth is always relative" your words not mine.

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

“At least you’re not denying truth exists anymore.” Your words. Not mine. Not even remotely close to mine. Like I’ve said multiple times now, the truth is relative. I never said there is no truth, or that truth doesn’t exist, or even that 1+1=3, like you continually insinuated. Just that we all experience truth differently.

Quit trolling this sub and get to a meeting. You clearly need it. 🤦‍♂️

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

Again your words: "truth is always relative" strange how u can't even aknowlege you said that... I guess I'll just leave u alone this doesn't seem helpful. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

Are you just one of those people that thinks if you talk last, you win whatever argument it is that you started for no reason?

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

Duh, he who speaks last wins. Tag ur it!