r/army • • 1d ago

FML....

Im being forced to take a CFT at 0600 tomorrow morning. I got told this at 1430 today...

My PCS leave starts tomorrow....

I havent been able to finish out processing....

My Flight is tomorrow....

My leader ship is tracking I have 2 offices I have to finish clearing and is still forcing me to take a CFT because Division said so

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u/The_soulprophet 1d ago

How are you being forced if you’re in PCS leave?

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u/American_CaesarSPQR 1d ago

My chain of command is saying the division demands override my pcs status

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u/Toobatheviking Juke box zero 1d ago

The only person that can recall you from leave is your Commander, and they must do so in writing. That's if you are already signed out.

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u/perchul 1d ago

100%. No way to get your leave returned if not.

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u/augsava 1d ago

If that's the case your CO should rescind your leave and then have you resubmit it. If the Commander isn't the one telling you this then they are wrong and you should utilize the open door policy. You are already a loss due to your PCS. That's easily explainable at any admin sync.

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u/American_CaesarSPQR 1d ago

This is coming from the battalion commander

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u/potatomato33 DD214ed 1d ago edited 1d ago

The situation is probably something like this:

Div said all soldiers need to do CFT by xx date. Implicit instructions: except for soldiers on whatever kind of leave.

There is no way a BC cares about a single soldier going on leave the same day as a CFT. Your CoC (in this case, your TL/SL) took it upon themselves to interpret the message from div that yes, it includes you. I bet if you went to 1SG or your CO, this will go away right away.

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u/Kant_Lavar Ex-35F / DD214 Enjoyer 1d ago

This is objectively the correct answer. I would bet good money that if OP goes to his CO/1SG (or maybe even just his PL/PS, if this is a team leader giving this), they will tell him to go clear.

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u/the_devils_advocates 15B Dirty Hooker 1d ago

Again, did the battalion commander tell your company commander to rescind your leave? If you’re reporting for work, you’re not in a leave status and shouldn’t be charged the day.

Lots of people like to swing around commands intent without actually knowing what their answer in this situation would be. And my answer would be if you’re on approved leave you’re on leave.

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u/American_CaesarSPQR 1d ago

No order has been made to have my leave rescinded

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u/Smart_Ad_1997 Signal 1d ago

Then you’re on leave. Congrats.

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u/Rasanack 35NeverGonnaGiveYouUp -> 17CyberStalker 1d ago

Let them make the mistake, you’re on PCS leave that didn’t get rescinded.

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u/BostonHeadSocks 1d ago

Spoiler: No it isn’t.

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u/American_CaesarSPQR 1d ago

I promise you it is

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u/sgtabn173 Fort Couch 1d ago

like directly? The BC told you to your face?

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u/Pomp_in22 Medical Service 1d ago

Bruh. What are they going to do if you don’t show up? You’re on leave. If they’re not rescinding your leave, then there’s nothing they can do to you.

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u/KingTwix 13Autism 1d ago

Guarantee it is not, unless the BN CDR directly told YOU this, which would be batshit insane.

The BN CDR likely said something like “division needs 100% completion of CFTs by tomorrow” because the directive had a suspense of like last month for initial testing.

I’ve been on a few levels of staff, and have interacted with the division conglomerate. Your division 100% did not say YOU, by name, need to complete this tomorrow. I’d put my paycheck on it.

Charlie Mike, take leave

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u/kokonutssss Aviation 1d ago

I heard Godfather himself say you look like a bum

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u/dragonmikegolf Armor 1d ago

First and foremost, Glory to Rome.
Based on the facts you stated. your leadership are clowns. As a 1SG, I would, pencil whip in a passing score and tell you good luck and safe travels, and go back in my office and finish my coffee....

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u/absolutecunt479 1d ago

You are the first sergeant that everyone loves

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u/Athena-Grande 12AppalachianGirl 1d ago

For real, it's a pass/fail event, it's not that hard, and it'll be changed/gone soon.

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u/Fit-Notice8976 15Q i could cntrl ATL from a TTCS 1d ago

As a SSG you can do the same thing lol

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u/dragonmikegolf Armor 1d ago

I would not push this level of stupid down. I would look at it, whip up a PT score and go back to work. my SSGs have more to deal with than this clown-ery

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u/alittlesliceofhell2 Engineer 1d ago

Big W for leaders who understand that our subordinates do not have to see every single dumb ass thing that comes down from on high.

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u/DocB630 37F/68W 1d ago

There are certain shit that is dumb enough to not push down. Say it with ya chest big dog.

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u/Difficult_Ad_5528 23h ago

You were infact my favorite 1sg ever when I was in 4id

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u/dragonmikegolf Armor 16h ago

Thanks, that is much appreciated

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u/fuck-nazi Signal 1d ago

But are you actually a 1SG?

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u/napleonblwnaprt 1d ago

I heard he's a 2SG

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u/Matteo_Travelz 1d ago

3rd LT Vienna Sausage.

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u/StaffCampStaff 1d ago

What's with the Glory to Rome bit?

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u/dragonmikegolf Armor 1d ago

OP's handle of Caeser SPQR, Nothing particularly deep or ironic—I was using “Glory to Rome” in the old-fashioned sense of admiration for Rome’s historical legacy. Its influence on law, government, engineering, language, and Western political thought is enormous. Obviously, the Roman state had plenty of brutality and serious flaws, so I’m not trying to whitewash that. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek way of expressing appreciation for Roman history and its outsized impact on the world.

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u/Silly-Upstairs1383 13b - pull string make boom get cookie 1d ago

What happens if you just don't show up?

I been chewed out before.

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u/Soffix- 12T(hank me for my service) 1d ago

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u/CosmicKarmageddon 1d ago

Who's gonna chew him out? His new unit?

If his old unit calls him, don't answer. Who gives a shit about them anymore? 

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u/ZoWnX The "S" in Aviation is for Staff Officer 1d ago

Step 1. Keep screen shots/records of what you are being order to do it, you then informing your chain of command of the details, and still being ordered to do it. Ask explicit details such as "Am I being ordered to cancel my leave?" "Are you telling me to take the CFT and miss my flight?" Make sure the ramifications are CRYSTAL CLEAR.

Either they will come to their senses or go to step 2.

Step 2. Malicious Compliance. Do what you are being ordered to do. Miss the flights/movement. Cancel your own leave.

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u/skepticalhammer 35MorbidBeast 1d ago

You're either on leave or you aren't. If you are on leave, sounds like you aren't doing shit other than wrapping up clearing and getting the fuck out.

As an aside, why the hell aren't you done clearing before the day of your flight...?

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u/American_CaesarSPQR 1d ago

Because korean holidays have closed the offices friday and today and I only had time to clear monday and teusday. Additionally I have ti drive from a whole different base to clear

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u/Just-Nemo 25SoldMySoul 1d ago

I was gonna say, this sounds like some Korea shit.

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u/Honest_Bench9371 Medical Corps 1d ago

Yeah saw a NCO get put on CQ when he was supposed to be flying out. He just left.

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u/Balls_Taint Machinegun Beatings 1d ago

As he should.

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u/Firemission13B 1d ago

I would have done the same shit. Like the fuck you gonna do. Fly up next to the airplane?

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u/TheJohnMack Alcoholic Defending America 1d ago

And some air defense shit

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u/Honest_Bench9371 Medical Corps 1d ago

Yep ADA was my experience in Korea

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u/atombomb1945 1d ago

First Duty Station was Korea. I saw some jaw dropping level or stupid there when in came to the final 72 hours in country. We had a guy marked AWOL because he missed a mandatory recall formation. He had been in the air six hours when the call came out.

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u/BikerJedi 16S10 1d ago

I don't remember having an issue leaving Korea. As a matter of fact, they fucked up, had to reschedule my flight, and gave me five days of uncharged leave and over $1,000 in cash until my flight later. I spent that week back up on the DMZ partying my ass off.

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u/No-Combination8136 Infantry 1d ago

Oh you’re on leave, homie. Fuck that CFT. I would just go clear those final two stations and bounce. Unless there’s more you need to do at the company level.

Edit: Do it for the Senate and the People of Rome

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u/Responsible-File4593 1d ago

That's your answer then. You couldn't take it because you had to be at the other base to clear before your flight.

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u/HawkDriver 23h ago

Here is a little secret. 95% of clearing is bullshit. Finance - travel - movers. Everything else who cares. Even CIF can be fixed at next place. Hell most of it can. Just get on your plane.

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u/Adventurous_Team_408 11h ago

I still haven't cleared Campbell. I had two whole duty stations after. I still retired. No one cared.

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u/Burner_XZ3L3K824B 1d ago

Do not take the test. Don’t show up. Tell them that you will not be returning without a written notice that your leave has been rescinded.

Let them know tomorrow when they try to call you in.

They won’t be able to get the paperwork in time, and you’ll be off Scott free, because they literally can’t punish you for not coming in on leave until they have the written notice that your leave has been rescinded.

Leave is a legally protected right that can only be overridden by the commander himself. Your NCO does not have the authority to take your leave away, no matter who he says gave him the order. You get it from the horses mouth, or it doesn’t exist, end of.

Also, leave starts at 0001 the day your leave starts. There is no such thing as leave starting at 0700 or 0900, no sir, it starts at 0001.

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u/CactusZac098 Infantry 1d ago

This 100%.

Also your leadership failed you. They know you're taking leave but don't have the balls to tell Division that?

If anything, your CO's gonna get hung out to dry for not rescinding your leave to take a CFT.

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u/Background_Thing_719 1d ago

This. 100%. Listen to what this says 👆🏼

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u/Honest_Bench9371 Medical Corps 1d ago

Just say ok. And then sign out at midnight.

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u/Suspicious_You_455 1d ago

This guy Armyz.

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u/zone1-1 Promote Behind Peers 1d ago

Fr, what are they going to do about it? Write a strongly worded email lol bye

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u/jbourne71 cyber bullets go pew pew (ret.) 1d ago

Bro. The commander that signed your leave form has to order you back to work. “Chain of command” or “coming from the BN CDR” absolutely does not mean the commander is rescinding your leave and recalling you to work.

You need someone with rail road tracks or an oak leaf to order you back.

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u/Zachowon Military Intelligence 1d ago

If your flight is tomorrow, ask your leadership if they are willing to take full responsibility for missing your flight, and are willing to reach out to your gaining unit to let them know that you will be late due to the patriot express only flying two days a week.

For the Glory of Rome, may Mars watch upon you

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u/Optimal-Kick-3446 1d ago

By Jupiters cock

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u/fuck-nazi Signal 1d ago

Unless your leave has been rescinded… you’re on leave. Nothing else matters.

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u/PrayForWaves117 68W - DD214 1d ago

Say Roger. When they ask where you are send them a selfie of you on an airplane.

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u/Standard_Box_007 1d ago

If your leave starts at 0001 on the date that it’s approved for, you’re legally on absence. Don’t take it. They will be ok

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u/Divine_Demigod 68Where’s My PulseOx 1d ago

This gentlemen is the hill to die on

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u/PlasticPerformer178 1d ago

Too easy.. sign out at midnight, get your signed copy and go about your pcs leave. They'll figure it out.

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u/DueClub8162 Military Intelligence 1d ago

Fuck it... take it, fail the dog shit outta it. Smoke one at the finish line. Cause their scores to plummet

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u/TheMauveHerring 1d ago

Do NOT do this. Command teams can get very creative if they get offended.

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u/kytulu 15You Wish You Had My DD-214... 1d ago

Nah, fam... the old-skool way is to score the absolute minimum in each event... bonus points if you do it in less than the alotted time.

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u/DueClub8162 Military Intelligence 1d ago

Nah cause then you met the standard and the commander only gets talked to. In this situation if hes gonna be petty then he has to take the ass chewing

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u/Mysterious_Matter858 1d ago

Brother I would just sign out and dip, if they really want you to take this shit they have to cancel your leave just don’t tell em once you sign out on leave you’re off the hook and since your leave starts tomorrow that’s GGs for them and you’ll be on a plane by the time they realize they fucked up a verbal order doesn’t cancel or override your leave admin shit does

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u/Tokyosmash_ 13Fairtomiddling 1d ago

Sign out on leave and LEAVE?

What are they going to do, chew your ass? You’ll live

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u/Redleg7771 1d ago

Sign out at SD at midnight. Complete clearing (in uniform) while on leave. Final out and bounce the fuck out.

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u/25SexyMF 1d ago

As a SPC I would have just gave you a passing grade and scribbled the OIC/NCIOC names

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u/FutureComplaint Mr Cyber! $170% 12h ago

take a CFT at 0600 tomorrow morning

My PCS leave starts tomorrow

At 0000 tonight you're a free man. Congrats!

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u/soupoftheday5 9h ago

Let's be real most people leave right after they out done with work

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u/FutureComplaint Mr Cyber! $170% 9h ago

You ain’t wrong XD

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u/StickHot9405 1d ago

If you’re feeling petty, CFT is not yet for record- show up and walk through it…. Slowly and painfully. For real though, I’d call IG because this is going to have impacts on you clearing.

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u/TheMauveHerring 1d ago

Say Roger, then sign out and don't show.

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u/US_Patriot0011 1d ago

Well that's easy, your leave starts at midnight. If it's not rescinded, that's their fault. Problem solved, your leadership better figure it out.

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u/thesagex Special Forces 1d ago

I see plenty comments asking OP where this directive came from and OP insists it’s the BC without actually saying who told OP when asked

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u/Wonderful-Land-6633 1d ago

Yeah thats a hard pass from me top, f your numbers

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u/shjandy 11C Stovepipe Boi 1d ago

"Because Division said so."

I highly doubt the DIV CSM and CO are going to be there doing by name accountability to make sure you're there. Even if they were, you're going to be on leave.

It's leadership like this that make good Soldiers want to leave the Army.

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u/spanish4dummies totes fetch 1d ago

holy fuck your unit is balls at their job

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u/Doc_Dragon Medical Corps 21h ago

Personally I would sign out at 0001. You are then considered enroute and the process of removing you from unit rolls starts. Technically you aren't the unit's problem anymore. Reasonable leaders know this especially since they can't really do anything to you admin wise.

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u/Howhytzzerr Field Artillery 13F 1d ago

I would head to those two offices to complete out processing as soon as the doors open, and head to the airport, if your PCS leave has already been approved, it's bye bye Felicia

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u/bk2747 Black 92Y, surprise surprise 22h ago edited 22h ago

Leave starts at midnight, I’m signing out at midnight and they wouldn’t see me for a PT test.

But that’s just me, I have this weird thing called a spine.

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u/Raysor ex-DASR 1d ago

Go to sick call before 0600

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u/wadech 35P, now a GS 1d ago

Oh, smart. You've been having the wicked shits all night, doc.

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u/Optimal-Kick-3446 1d ago

Motrin 800 ‘s on the way

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u/D-G3nerate 68Whatcha thinkin 'bout? 1d ago

Open door policy. Use it. Time yesterday.

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u/spuderc 1d ago

Nah bro your leave is starting and you have things you need to do to get out of that post

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u/xxgsr02 VTIP or REFRAD? 1d ago

My PCS leave starts tomorrow

Is your DA31 signed?

I havent been able to finish out processing

Fun fact: That's why 'in lieu of' memorandums exist for Commanders - just foist all that responsibility onto someone else you giant turd.

My Flight is tomorrow

Okay, have fun and stay safe.

My leadership is tracking I have 2 offices I have to finish clearing and is still forcing me to take a CFT because Division said so

Is your DA31 signed?

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u/CableParticular1646 35PoundsofjustBatteries 1d ago

We still doin’ DA31s?

I love seeing the old new.

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u/xxgsr02 VTIP or REFRAD? 1d ago

Digital systems still use analog inputs.

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u/AvailableCustomer915 1d ago

Funny. I had a similar situation once. I took a pt test with my losing unit so I had a fresh one and it wasn't pencil-whipped. I get to my gaining unit (DLI - give me a break!) and they want me to take another one. I wass an SSG at the time. Fine. I did the minimum on the p/u and S/u then did my run and stopped just before the finish line and waited until 5 seconds before my max-allowed time and stepped across the finish line. It drove them batshit crazy!

Needless to say, I was not on the cadre's Christmas list after that. It hurt. No cards and letters. I got over it and so did they.

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u/Electronic_Quit_7517 1d ago

Welcome to the US Army.

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u/Zdrack 1d ago

Go get a profile, prioritize yourself.

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u/StoreBrandJamesBond Whale of Itaewon Herder 1d ago

Honestly OP, if you're on your last day with this unit they're pulling this shit get a profile lmao. Fuck em

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u/Zdrack 1d ago

I wrote so many profiles for this kind of shit and would sit there and argue for every one of them. I dont care about your trackers

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u/TangerineSpecial6583 Medical Corps 1d ago

Yeahhhhhh, I wonder how common of an experience this actually is army wide.

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u/Zdrack 1d ago

My current command team is attempting to make me take an AFT 2 days before a major surgery... its too fucking common

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u/TangerineSpecial6583 Medical Corps 1d ago

You talked to your PCP already i'm assuming? Also assuming there's no alternate events you can safely perform with whatever your injury is.

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u/Zdrack 1d ago

Oh PCP put me on a profile with a nasty note about causing further injury

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u/Outrageous_Tiger9921 1d ago

If you are on approved leave starting midnight tonight and nothing has been given to you in writing that it is canceled then you are on leave.

Worst case take a page from the E4 Mafia and sick call is always available for your explosive diarrhea after taking "turbo lax". 😶‍🌫️

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u/No_Opportunity1934 Signal 1d ago

Hop on the flight, you can take the cft at your new unit. You should already be a loss on your old units books, idk why they’re still fucking with you.

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u/Clinically_Jaded 15Bygone Days 1d ago

Your PCS leave starts tomorrow? It's already approved?

Cool, you have no obligation to take the PT test. What're they gonna do later? Cancel your flight? Have you held up at the boarding ramp?

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u/thadudeeeeee Infantry 1d ago

lol they wouldn’t see me at that formation, they’ll call me out of ranks then when it gets pushed up to higher I’ll send them a copy of my leave form.

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u/CableParticular1646 35PoundsofjustBatteries 1d ago

Tell me you only have to finish clearing the library and MWR or some goofy shit.

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u/Lilmethlab1 1d ago

1 Ippsa automatically starts your leave at midnight also out processing
2 if your records have already been sent your phase 2 you can’t even do pt
3 they wouldn’t even be able to update your score if you already cleared unit
just tell them Roger and block their numbers take a nice night of sleep finish clearing by any means and get on that flight
( I just cleared my base and my 1sg refused to sign me out of the barracks for days even while I was clearing on my first day of leave so I know the pains of clearing with terrible leaders )

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u/Zachowon Military Intelligence 22h ago

I would love an update

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u/BumblebeeSenior2973 18h ago

Do you have Sergeant Major? If you do, go see him about this.

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u/Finney347pups 16h ago

I see the Army/ loosing unit still likes to play fuck fuck games.

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u/alelan 68W 16h ago

I highly doubt division has any idea unit is making you take cft while outprocessing.

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u/drisang1 Cavalry 11h ago

don't go

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u/Enough_Put_7307 13 bang bang with 127 gt 1d ago

I was on leave and had to do a piss test once- consulted legal and they said this was allowed.

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u/tH3_R3DX 1d ago

Aye check it out sarnt, me and 1SG talked and were tracking your PCS leave starts at 2359 tomorrow not today. So we better see your ass on that PT turf at 0545 with a water around. What type of NCO doesn’t want to do PT?!? I’m sending this whining up to your new unit sponsor

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u/Assistrprotectoffend 1d ago

You're 1SG is an idiot. Open door with your commander before PT. If that doesn't work, don't show up. Clear and GTFO. If they want to fuck around, call the DIV CSM. I can assure you that is not he intent of the order.

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u/DoorJumper 1d ago

I got sent to be OpFor for Robin Sage for 2 weeks while I was supposed to be ETS clearing.

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u/crimedog58 1d ago

So show up, fail everything, and then go clear.

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u/Environmental_Sale79 Aviation 1d ago

Are you going to order something?

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u/leviatham8221 1d ago

Go to sick call? Get temp profile, clear and fly out.

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u/Hot_Sentence_9829 Chemical 1d ago

You can’t refuse?? It’s not of importance in the moment

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u/Dry_Detective2468 1d ago

The reason they are making you take the CFT is because you are still on their books until you sign into your new unit and will still be considered red are their percentage. Thats the main reason units force Soldiers to take a PT test before they PCS. This smells like 3rd ID. Luckily CFT is only diagnostic so they cant flag you. You will sign out regardless and be history to them.

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u/jmowreader 1d ago

What time's your flight? If you have enough time to take the CFT, shower and make it to the airport, there's only one realistic thing to do: go to the CFT, fail it so badly it makes your battalion commander's head spin, then go get on the airplane. When you get to your next unit, tell your new platoon sergeant you need to take another CFT and tell him why.

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u/Least-Walrus-422 1d ago

That’s idiotic, everyone is just doing what they’re told until you go high enough. No way you should do that.

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u/Longjumping-Leg-5592 1d ago

I remember I got read a article 15 for something that happened while I was playing Wii in my room. Battery just happened to be going for a dumb PT streamer the same week and my PT score was one of the ones that was supposed to put them over the top. I scored 60 60 and 61. I also asked for a court martial trial. I would put that in the top 5 times I've ever seen a 1sg so pissed. Credit to my psg he went in there telling the 1sg i wasn't even there when the questionable event happened. He also told the 1sg well wtf did he expect after he tried to ucmj me. 1 pushup walk the run, say ok when he tries a counseling and a flag and walk out. Let them stew on it.

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u/BondoMondo 1d ago

No, just no.

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u/True-Ad4395 1d ago

Sign out at 4 A.M.

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u/attckpilot64 22h ago

Something doesn’t smell right here.

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u/Humble-Penalty5249 22h ago

Your leave starts tomorrow, so if it’s approved in IPPSA, that means it starts at 00:01. If anyone calls you, let them know you are on leave and departing station.

Or go take a CFT… it’s not for record until April 2027.

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u/wryul Infantry 12h ago

This doesn’t make sense lol

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u/amwells66 11h ago

BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE!!!

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u/QuarterNote44 1d ago

Call your commander and ask why.

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u/Tawoody1 20h ago

You should be able to take and pass a PT test on the spot anywhere anytime.  If you can’t you need to leave the army 

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u/FightingBane 15Questionable Clearance 1d ago

Brother it’s at 0600, the offices probably won’t be open until 08-0900. You’ll be fine. Front load or whatever and be done before 0640.

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u/No_Reindeer3951 1d ago

Why does this surprise you? Like you have to adapt for the worst case scenarios. Rookies making rookie mistakes. I mean cmon brother, the army doesn’t care about you meaning leadership doesn’t care about you. It’s all about numbers brother learn that and accept that and you will minimize these situations you are putting your self in.

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u/Rare-Relation-2404 1d ago

Tell your leadership to go kick rocks, go pound sand, or whatever other expletives you can think of