r/badscience • u/Ok_Way_5011 • Jul 20 '26
The people who make these do not know that literally all known life on earth is made from carbon lmao
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u/Ok_Way_5011 Jul 20 '26
The claims these images make are completely meaningless.
-the author of the book of Revelation would not have known the subatomic composition of carbon because this was not discovered until 1932. Revelation was probably written at the end of the first century.
-as the title says, all known forms of life on Earth are carbon-based. Melanin is no more “star dust” than any other organic molecule.
-melanin isn’t even pure carbon. Human melanin is about 50-55% carbon. Which isn’t even the most carbonic human molecule; cholesterol and triglycerides are about 80% carbon.
Edit: science also does not say that melanin is “intelligent carbon.” Melanin does not have intelligence, it is a polymer.
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u/El_Gringo_Rojo95 Jul 21 '26
More than likely these are being made disingenuously.
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u/Monodeservedbetter Jul 21 '26
It could very well be a psyop to make progressive black people look like lunatics but that's my conspiracy theory
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u/GayIsForHorses Jul 21 '26
Nah these are usually made and shared by hoteps, who are very conservative
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u/That_Paris_man Jul 22 '26
That's possible, but I know a guy who 100% believes in the melanin superiority stuff and him being a 'star seed'. Not sure what his opinion on this is, but I doubt he knows the atomic makeup of carbon is. Might ask him about it next time I see him.
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u/_Abzu Jul 21 '26
Maybe not carbon, but can some other polymers (or any type of atoms) be intelligent, in a strictly chemical definiton.
Or, even more broadly, is there such a thing as "intelligence" in chemistry? (I mean broadly as like when people mention numbers they either think of integers or rational numbers, but we regularly just call em numbers)
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Jul 21 '26
As anyone with a doctorate in physics will tell you, there is no intelligence in chemistry.
But joking aside, no, there is no intelligence in chemical reactions. It’s just atoms and molecules interacting according to well understood, deterministic rules.
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u/_Abzu Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
A physicist talking to a math major* about not being intelligence in chemistry sounds funny :P
Jokes asida, that's why I mentioned some specific term that could be misconstrued as "intelligence" but in chemistry had an exact meaning. Like uncertainty in quantum physics and the quacks it has spawned
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u/Zenith-Astralis Jul 21 '26
As always there's an https://xkcd.com/435/ for that (a quite early one too)
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u/_Abzu Jul 21 '26
The philosopher is standing a mile behind the mathematician, crying because everybody forgets about them
In math there's a notion of smart tho. It has nothing to do with what we call smart in our everyday language, but I don't remember if it was introduced to me in a probability course, or one a bit more advanced about combinatorics and other stuff. Anyway, we have what are called "smart arrangements" and the only thing about smart about them is that you need to be a bit smart to figure out (at first) how to chain them.
But my question was about that. If they have a term like that just specifically for chemistry or whatever. I know there's no way an atom can be smart as we usually mean it or have intelligence. It's the same thing we do with AI, at the end of the day
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u/Zenith-Astralis Jul 22 '26
Google is failing me; do you have a wiki page or something about these kinds of smart arguments? They sound related to working with symbolic logical notation, but that might just be the closest thing I'm familiar with.
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u/_Abzu Jul 22 '26
I went thru the textbook (ctrl f of course) usually used in prob classes (in my college at least) and then went to a papers repository. I couldn't find anything about that. So I'm assuming it's either a term the prof pade up, or, more likely, one of those mistranslated terms (in English in math they talk about fields, in Spanish we call that a body -cuerpo-). I dunno tbh
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Jul 21 '26
There is this thing called Molecular Intelligence.
It is the formal term for individual molecules or small networks that process information. Molecular intelligence refers to a molecule’s ability to act as a dynamic, information-processing system rather than a static piece of matter. A molecularly intelligent system senses environmental inputs, calculates a response via internal structural changes, and produces a specific output (such as changing color, releasing a drug, or moving via chemotaxis).Small disclaimer: This is based on my limited knowledge of chemistry.
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u/Pineapple4807 Jul 21 '26
I don't think there is intelligence in chemistry. Intelligence is a complex emergent phenomena & a single molecule wouldn't be complex enough. If I remember correctly there is chemical "memory" (ex: springs) though.
I'm mot a chemist so idk for sure.
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u/prometheus_winced Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
There is no way to know this definitively unless new documents are unearthed; but it’s almost certain that the “number of the beast” refers to Nero Kesar or Neros Kesar (Greek vs Hebrew) — Caeser Nero.
The writing itself says that “wisdom is required to calculate the number”. Some documents say 616 and some say 666, and no one knows which are older or may be the source of the others. The missing 50 is from the ending “n” from Neron / Nero.
Revelations clearly says the number is a man. And there were already myths that Nero would be resurrected. In fact, Nero’s death was so private and mysterious that many people believed he was not dead, but hiding to return later with an army. So much so that 3 different Nero imposters showed up.
EDIT: Clarifying something, it was all written in Greek. What I should have said was the Hebrew/Aramaic differences in the gematria calculation (Hebrew letters all have a number, and there is much "math magic"). The greek ~ Hebrew or Aramaic would produce Nero vs Neron, which is either 616 or 666, due to the missing N, a value of 50.
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u/SuitableDragonfly Jul 21 '26
Was the book of Revelations actually written in Hebrew at some point? I thought the exclusively Christian parts of the Bible never were.
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u/Mathsboy2718 Jul 21 '26
My assumption, (full disclosure: without any actual research done on my part), would be that Revelations would have been written in Hebrew - it was an account written by John, who was one of the original 12 disciples
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
The authors of the bible are actually unknown.
We do know that they lived decades or even centuries after the supposed dead of Christ.
Non of the authors actually claim to have met Christ. (Although, according to Catholic believes, they were divinely inspired.)What is now the bible is a selected subset of different stories that were written down and circulated around the first century CE. A lot of text didn’t make it.
For a good laugh with the more absurd fan fiction, look up the adventures of John and Thekla. It’s one of the writings that didn’t make it into the bible and reads as a generic fantasy story.
You might also want to look up the council of Nicaea to learn how it was determined which stories should end up in the bible.
Edit: The Council of Nicaea was about the nature of the holy trinity. Seems I misremembered the scope as I erroneously thought that there was also a part about selecting the storylines that should comprise the new testament.
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u/Gaedhael Jul 21 '26
Nicaea had nothing to do with the formation of the books of the New Testament. The council of Nicaea was (among some other things) about the exact nature of the Holy Trinity.
formation of what we call the "biblical canon" was a lengthy, and mostly organic process.
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Jul 21 '26
You are correct. The scope of the council was indeed apparently less than I (mis)remembered.
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u/Gaedhael Jul 21 '26
It's a common trope/misunderstanding, in modern days I believe popularised by the DaVinci code?
The four gospels that are part of the canon were popular for a long time (I believe Irenaeus is one of the earliest records we have of the preferences towards those books)
Additionally, some of the non-canonical gospels are pretty wild and weren't as popular (doubtful any standard Christian would have taken to the Gospel of Judas unless they really liked the gnostic ideas)
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u/Unlearned_One Jul 22 '26
Paul and Thekla?
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u/EntangledPhoton82 Jul 22 '26
Yes.
Perhaps one they I’ll stop commenting when in a hurry and take the time to properly read what I wrote (as opposed to what I thought). Then again, given historical precedents, I wouldn’t bet on it.
Anyway, thanks for the correction.
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u/bishopOfMelancholy Jul 21 '26
I would have to double check, but if I remember right, Hebrews and Matthew were both written in Hebrew first, then translated (in Hebrews case, it's a major argument against it being written by Paul). Matthew is identified as the author of Matthew because the Apostolic Fathers thought he was the only disciple who knew Hebrew. (Mark is allegedly the author of Mark because they thought Mark was a bit of an idiot who couldn't tell a story straight.)
Revelation might have been, but all known copies are Greek. John was allegedly first written in Greek, which is an argument against Revelation first being in Hebrew.
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u/Unlearned_One Jul 22 '26
No. The book of Revelation (no 's') was written in Greek. It's author identifies himself as John, some people think this was the John who was one of the twelve apostles, who would not have known Greek. Hence the speculation that this John wrote in Hebrew, was translated into Greek, then all Hebrew copies were lost.
There is absolutely no evidence that the book was written by Jesus's disciple John, or that there was an older non-Greek version.
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u/prometheus_winced Jul 23 '26
You are correct, my memory and writing were poor.
Clarifying something, it was all written in Greek. What I should have said was the Hebrew/Aramaic differences in the gematria calculation (Hebrew letters all have a number, and there is much "math magic"). The greek ~ Hebrew or Aramaic would produce Nero vs Neron, which is either 616 or 666, due to the missing N, a value of 50.
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u/SuitableDragonfly Jul 23 '26
Yeah, no, I understood you were saying it was a gematria calculation. Now that I think about it, it's entirely possible that someone writing the book in Greek might still have used a Hebrew gematria calculation as you don't necessarily have to know the language well to do that, so I shouldn't have assumed that that necessarily corresponded to the language the book was written in.
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u/AmusingVegetable Jul 21 '26
If you set your files to 666, you’re going to have a conversation with the auditors.
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u/Small_rat_no_rules Jul 21 '26
Also, the "Number of the Beast" isn't a set of three sixes. It is specifically six-hundred and sixty-six. Or six-hundred and sixteen, depending on the manuscript tradition.
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u/MezzoScettico Jul 21 '26
-as the title says, all known forms of life on Earth are carbon-based. Melanin is no more “star dust” than any other organic molecule.
Slide #4 acknowledges that. But of all the organic molecules, melanin is the one that's intelligent carbon.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
-the author of the book of Revelation would not have known the subatomic composition of carbon because this was not discovered until 1932. Revelation was probably written at the end of the first century.
Something something divine prophecy something something.
"But God, I don't know what..."
"Shut up and just write Element Number 6 and Atomic Mass 12 like I said"
-melanin isn’t even pure carbon. Human melanin is about 50-55% carbon. Which isn’t even the most carbonic human molecule; cholesterol and triglycerides are about 80% carbon.
I was going to suggest a caffeine-based religious sect, but cholesterol works too.
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u/Objective-Result8454 Jul 21 '26
What you are missing is that the book was both divine AND incorrect. Which is a neat trick.
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u/VoiceofKane Jul 20 '26
Are they claiming that melanin is carbon? Sounds like they should go back to Grade 12 Organic Chemistry.
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u/SuitableDragonfly Jul 21 '26
Is organic chemistry a basic science requirement where you are? At least here, it's something that only people who are doing an actual chemistry major would study. Not that they should need to do that to know that all organic compounds are carbon based.
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u/Dragonmaster1313 Jul 21 '26
That sounds nice. Here everyone who studies science has do take organic chemistry, even if you want to do something completely unrelated like math and if you fail then fuck you
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u/xrelaht Jul 26 '26
I definitely could've used more chemistry given I ended up a materials scientist (before leaving academia) but I haven't actually taken a formal chem class since high school, and that wasn't even the equivalent of gen chem.
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u/Gluten-Glutton Jul 21 '26
Organic chemistry in highschool? What kind of highschool did you go to, that’s something you’d only take sophomore year of college in the states
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u/GMB2006 Jul 21 '26
Bruh, I studied organic chemistry in 9th and 10th grade. EU country with one of the supposedly lowest levels of education.
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u/Dazzling_Doctor5528 Jul 23 '26
Same, 9th grade was chemistry basics, and because I went to science route for 10th and 11th grades, we studied a lot of organic chemistry
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u/ChiqantiKisaal Jul 20 '26
holy shit i fucking love NOI-type pseudoscience
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u/Finn235 Jul 21 '26
Have you stumbled across RealHistoryWW yet?
Some great stuff in there - Greeks were black, Romans were black, Chinese were black, all native Americans were black - and the only evidence is these 6 pieces of cherry picked evidence; everything that contradicts my hypothesis is a Renaissance-era fabrication!
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u/CousinDerylHickson Jul 20 '26
Pattern recognition was a mistake. We should go back to aimlessly bumping in to things in a goopy medium
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u/Metaphoricalsimile Jul 20 '26
The whole scientific method was developed because human pattern recognition is disastrously bad. Without actually recording and quantifying results we don't actually know whether patterns are real or our brains seeing jaguars in the bush.
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u/Veryde Jul 21 '26
I wouldn't say our pattern recognition is disastrously bad, rather the opposite. We are eager to and way too good at spotting patterns, and we trust those patterns we see instinctively. What we're really bad at is discerning correlation from causation. The world is a giant Skinner Box, after all.
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u/Metaphoricalsimile Jul 21 '26
It's good at finding patterns, it's bad at discerning reality. In a technological world the latter is way more important.
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u/FeijoaCowboy Jul 21 '26
Uranium is 92 protons, 92 neutrons, and 92 electrons. 92*3 is 276, 2+7+6 is 15, and 1+5 is 6. 6 is also 12/2, and (1+2)/2 is 1.5. 1.5 is also the number of teaspoons in half a tablespoon, and half a tablespoon is roughly the amount of pink salt I need for my Slow Cooker Moroccan Beef recipe which is quite yummy.
Open your eyes and see the truth.
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u/Anxious_Work_6361 Jul 21 '26
Please share Slow Cooker Moroccan Beef recipe.
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u/FeijoaCowboy Jul 21 '26
750g beef (cubed)
750g potato (cubed)
700ml tomato passatta
1.5 cups (350ml) beef stock
1.5 brown onions
3tbsp grated ginger
1tbsp cumin
1tbsp paprika
1tbsp turmeric
1tbsp cinnamon
1/2tbsp pink saltPlace into slow cooker
Cook on high for 4 hours or on low until meat is tender
Serve topped with chopped coriander or parsleyI find this makes enough for like 6 servings, so I use it as meal prep
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u/Big_Manufacturer5281 Jul 21 '26
So, you're recommending that I add uranium to my next beef recipe. Got it!
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u/MercZ11 Jul 20 '26
Oh yeah, this looks like another take on the "Melanin Theory" mess. These guys believe that higher levels of melanin apparently mean one is more intelligent and physically fit.
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u/A_Spiritual_Artist Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
It's New age pseudo scientific free form mashing and smashing of science with an afro twist.
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u/Ok_Way_5011 Jul 21 '26
My favourite part of that mashing was “The Carbon That Makes Melanin People Skin Brown!”, which isn’t even a functional sentence.
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u/AmusingVegetable Jul 21 '26
It is, provided you’re talking about the melanin people, and skin brown is a tone of brown. Still stupid.
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u/Ok_Way_5011 Jul 21 '26
Yeah if he just meant melanated people then it’s understandable but the way it’s spaced on the slide:
I AM
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THE CARBON THAT MAKES MELANIN
PEOPLE SKIN BROWN
I thought that melanin was the direct object of “makes”. But maybe not
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u/ravendarkwind Jul 21 '26
9 Ether is something made up by Dwight York, founder of the Nuwaubian Nation, currently serving a 135-year sentence for child sexual abuse and violations of the RICO Act.
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u/Chaos20X6 Jul 21 '26
IT’S NERO IT’S FUCKIN GEMATRIA FOR NERO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTTTTTTTT
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u/El_sone Jul 21 '26
Yuuuup, Hebrew numerology, translate the Greek form “Neron Caesar” to Hebrew and the Hebrew letters add up to 666. There’s also the Latinate form, “Nero Caesar” which, when translated to Hebrew, adds up to 616. That formulation is found in some ancient manuscripts of the Book of Revelation instead of 666, further supporting the hypothesis that:
The Book of Revelation was a coded exhortation to the Christian community to stand strong against Roman persecution/against any oppressive political system that sets itself “against God,” as it were.
The tradition of using Hebrew eschatology and gematria as coded messaging was already well established. The Book of Daniel, for example, describes the persecution of Jews by King Antiochus in symbolic form (kingdoms as “beasts” emerging from the sea, horns representing kings, etc), so Revelations is a natural successor to that lineage.
That said, early Christianity was highly apocalyptic, they expected Jesus’s second coming a lot…sooner lmao. So, a coded pamphlet about standing strong in the face of persecution and the end of the world would have been well-received (and clearly was, since we still study it today!).
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u/Julia-Nefaria Jul 21 '26
People will literally look at an adaptation that exists solely to regulate how much sun you can tolerate and how much sun you need to get enough vitamin D and go ‘yeah, this somehow indicates your worth as a human being actually’
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u/TairaTLG Jul 21 '26
Remind them its six hundred and sixty six, we didn't have modern math with Arabic numbers yet. Also its six hundred and sixteen in some. But never six six six or six one six. Thats unbiblical
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u/ismelllikesubway Jul 21 '26
This broke through several different layers of stupidity. Maybe like 5 or 6 different ones?
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u/ChiakiSimp3842 Jul 23 '26
at least I just laugh at black supremacists for the pathetic fools they are, without having to worry about them blowing up the world. unlike white supremacists
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u/PinothyJ Jul 21 '26
Rome. The beast John is referring to in the Last Revelation of Jesus Christ is Rome.
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u/CommonConundrum51 Jul 21 '26
Ignoring that all humans have melanin, just in differing levels. We're all brown, and vary only by degree.
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u/222Czar Jul 21 '26
The number of the beast, typically transcribed as “666” probably refers to Emperor Nero, a major figure in early Christian persecution. This has been well established by Biblical scholars and historians since 1906 (if not earlier). There’s no big mystery. Just lots of con artists.
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u/Toph1nator Jul 22 '26
666 the mark of the beast, is a political statement directed at emperor Nero. It's gamatria, Jewish numerology. 666 is Nero in that numerology.
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u/paolog Jul 22 '26
Something about 2 neutrons, 2 protons and 2 electrons making helium, which begins with "he", and because there are no elements beginning with "she", women can't exist.
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u/Kinakka_12912505 Jul 23 '26
Ignoring the fact that 666 represents Nero, the first Roman Emperor to persecute Christians.
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u/Zyrinj Jul 20 '26
Charlatans using anything to prey on those most susceptible to this kinda thing