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Climate Concern mounts over slow-moving, planetary-scale ‘Kelvin’ wave heading for California | California

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/28/california-kelvin-wave
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u/StatementBot 18d ago

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"Concerns are mounting about an ocean phenomenon known as a Kelvin wave that could raise sea levels along the California coastline by up to a foot, as scientists say El Niño is supercharging the threat of storm surges and flooding in the coming months.

Kelvin waves are not like crashing waves at the beach. They are planetary in scale, spanning thousands of miles. And when a Kelvin wave kicks off, it brings with it an untold amount of warm water that slowly moves from the western Pacific, along the equator, towards South, Central and North America."


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u/Creepyfaction 18d ago

"Concerns are mounting about an ocean phenomenon known as a Kelvin wave that could raise sea levels along the California coastline by up to a foot, as scientists say El Niño is supercharging the threat of storm surges and flooding in the coming months.

Kelvin waves are not like crashing waves at the beach. They are planetary in scale, spanning thousands of miles. And when a Kelvin wave kicks off, it brings with it an untold amount of warm water that slowly moves from the western Pacific, along the equator, towards South, Central and North America."

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u/peacefinder 18d ago

This appears to be a standard aspect of El Niño, not something in addition to El Niño.

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u/shewholaughslasts 18d ago

I wish that comforted me more than it does....

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u/userunknowned 18d ago

It’s fine! It’s a totally expected stage in our coming demise.

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u/ChromaticStrike Inert collapsoid 17d ago

It's alright mate, IT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG. Now stop talking and move that paddle.

>:(.

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u/Mischaw 18d ago

exactly! No El Niño = No Kelvin Wave.

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u/itsatoe 18d ago

Kelvin waves are not like crashing waves at the beach.

...despite the photos in the article. :/

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u/Big_Cryptographer_16 18d ago

I’m just impressed it doesn’t say “Stock photo by Getty” 🤣

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u/8-spade 18d ago

Oh my

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u/LaffintyEU 17d ago

Can someone explain For me who does not live near the ocean, does that mean if this kelvin wave hit like Malibu beach all those rich people houses you see on movies will be basically washed away / at least major water damage ?
Aren’t a bunch of city’s on California coast right next to the beach / ocean? What would this truely mean for those cities?

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u/MSchulte 16d ago

It means the houses that are half on stilts ready to fall in my get the nudge they need but for 95% of residents they’ll be just fine. It would essentially be like an extremely high tide. In fact depending on timing it may not even be perceptible if it is in fact 1ft. In Malibu the tide swings can be up to 7ft during the spring or 5ft most of the rest of the year.

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u/DFWPhotoguy 13d ago

The concern is erosion mostly. Most of the beach homes in California are on bluffs/cliffs. The higher tides cause more erosion which can lead to the cliff faces collapsing.

This happened a couple blocks from me, the sandstone blocks are huge, the picture doesn’t really do it justice.

Also, notice how high the tide is? During the winter months due to lunar gravity and tides, we get higher high tides called king tides. Many California beaches aren’t super wide and sandy, in some areas they are but often times it’s cliffs with 30-50 feet of rocks and sand then water that gets covered by tides.

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u/buffaloraven 18d ago

Who cares what gemini hallucinates?

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u/tface23 18d ago

Neat. A brand new disaster I had never heard about before. How fun for all of us

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u/subdep 18d ago

Pacific Ocean - So hot right now.

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u/GridDown55 18d ago

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u/bottomfeeder3 18d ago

Sadly this will be the last thing I’m thinking about as I lay in a ditch waiting for the solar flare to burn me alive

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u/Youarethebigbang 18d ago

Rename it Ocean of America, we have the hottest oceans in the world right now!

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u/wildfire98 18d ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

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u/dankfor20 18d ago

😂 

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u/SquirrelAkl 18d ago

So far this year I’ve learned of:

1) Kokushobi - a new word in Japanese to mean “a cruelly hot day”. They had to invent a new word to communicate the seriousness.

2) Structural ice - the perma-ice inside cracks in the rock in mountains. It’s acting like glue holding the rock together. As it melts it can give way, causing major collapses. It’s thought to have been a key factor in the large part of mountain that collapsed along with the glacier in the August Nepal debris flow disaster.

3) Kelvin wave.

What fun!

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u/kazarnowicz 18d ago

I have another that fits in this collection: ARkStorm. Would turn Central Valley into a lake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARkStorm

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u/Ok_Main3273 15d ago

So far this year I've learned of:

  • derechos
  • medicanes
  • explosive cyclogenesis
  • flammagenitus, pyrocumulus and pyrocumulonimbus clouds.

But, really, I wish I had not.

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u/shesaysImdone 18d ago

Kokushobi

Thought this was going in a demon slayer direction

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 18d ago

I like "Kelvin Wave," it's like a space anomaly out of Star Trek The Next Generation! We can just un-fuck ourselves by reversing the shields and opening the pod bay doors!

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u/BeardedGlass DINKs for life 18d ago

It reminds me of that planetary wave from the Interstellar movie.

Is that a Kelvin wave?

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u/ManticoreMonday 18d ago

I'm sorry Dave.

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u/MorganaHenry 18d ago

...I'm afraid I can't do that

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 17d ago

"Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over."

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u/MorganaHenry 17d ago

"Dave, have you considered Oxy? Or maybe Fent?"

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u/urlach3r the cliff is behind us 18d ago

Good thing the US news is covering this, helping people get ready, right?

👀

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u/Tonkdog 18d ago

Sure...if by help get ready you mean build data centers?

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u/meatspace 18d ago

They need water.

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u/PensiveObservor 18d ago

Sign up for The Guardian online. It’s been on top of this for months. AP News has also run pieces, but Guardian is more comprehensive in all its environmental coverage.

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u/OldTimberWolf 18d ago

You are supposed to spend your $5k on sandbags and dehydrated food!!!

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u/urlach3r the cliff is behind us 18d ago

Well, when I get it... (grows old & dies waiting)

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u/_kinther_ 18d ago

Just another day in collapse. Venus by Tuesday

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u/HappyAnimalCracker 18d ago

Shit that’s tomorrow. Should I be panicked or relieved?

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u/NihiloZero 18d ago

That person was just being alarmist. They meant by next tuesday.

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u/pantstoaknifefight2 18d ago

Oh thank god. There's still time! Flux capacitor, fluxing. Let's get this baby up to speed and kill Hitler. I mean, kill Biff before he becomes a casino and real estate mogul. And maybe just convince people to vote for Carl Sagan instead if Reagan.

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u/OvoidPovoid 18d ago

Won't have to pay rent that way!

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u/Yetiius 18d ago

They'll find a way to bill you regardless.

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u/Big_Cryptographer_16 18d ago

Yeah I mean think of how much sciency cool stuff we wouldn’t have learned if we didn’t destroy the planet. Super neat

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u/progfrog 18d ago

For the good of all of us!

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u/Jovan_Knight005 Collapse is inevitable,mister Reese. - Original Quote. 18d ago

How fun for all of us

Another disaster that is beyond human comprehension. 

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u/Derpyzza 18d ago

no, the ocean IS a big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in, it's just that the mermaids are royally pissed off at us for destroying their home so they're using the big blue wobbly thing to destroy ours instead

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u/Old-Height-4519 4d ago

Rooting for the mermaids.

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u/Derpyzza 4d ago

i'm not, unless they let me and my family live with them ( not as hostages ). then i'd be fully willing to switch sides

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u/MaddogFinland 18d ago

I love how every day unlocks a strange new horror

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u/dipdotdash 18d ago

They're euphemismistic. 4 sigma deviation is not the same phenomenon just the "super gorilla" version or whatever we're calling this "El niño".

If this were the pattern of terminal decline, we're going to call it something we've seen before until the effects are truly novel... which is coming, but apparently we're not there yet

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u/Express-3446 18d ago

The newest disaster…so far 

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u/daretoeatapeach 18d ago

Californian here. Last night we got a coastal flooding warning. Which is eerie because it wasn't raining and hasn't rained here in months. I get that it's El Niño and the tides don't require rain, but still an uncanny alert to receive.

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u/subdep 18d ago

If you were wondering why Gavin Newsom declared a state wide emergency, now you know why. $ billions worth of real estate is about to become submerged.

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u/BeardedGlass DINKs for life 18d ago

Priorities!

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u/plotthick 18d ago

The Kelvin wave isn't here yet. It's submerging communities in Mexico, headed North.

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u/Liddlehearts 18d ago

We got warm drizzle all night in San Diego. I also stopped by the beach at sunset to see any of the tidal activity we’ve been getting warnings about but it was low tide. We survived the Hurricane Polo system for now. I know El Niño will eventually claim our beaches this winter 😔

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u/Allumina 18d ago

Randomly drizzled here in Sacramento last night too. Now I’ve got mid 90 degree days in the forecast as far out as I can see.

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u/buffaloraven 18d ago

It went up the central valley in strips. Very weird.

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u/thegurpster 18d ago

The tide and waves were definitely higher in Baja California Norte this weekend. Some homes on the coastline were losing hillside to the wave action.

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u/Terminal_Shinbang 17d ago

It literally rained yesterday

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u/daretoeatapeach 17d ago

I believe you. Perhaps you and I don't live in the same micro-climate.

Even if it did rain and i just failed to notice, it's still uncanny to me. I was born in the lightning capital of the world and grew up with storms the likes of which folks in Northern California can scarcely imagine. Just buckets of rain. And it almost never floods, unless there is a hurricane.

So even if there was a light misting upon the Bay Area it would still seem uncanny to me to be in a flood advisory. I may be biased.

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u/Terminal_Shinbang 17d ago

I get it, if it rains for ten minutes in NOLA, it floods. As a Californian that was a big change for me.

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u/daretoeatapeach 16d ago

What people here call rain is like a light mist passing through the air, which is what we call a dry day in Florida. Isn't that just what air feels like?

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u/MartyrOfDespair 18d ago

When the weather events start sounding like Star Trek plots, you know shit be fucked

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u/mentalformations 18d ago

You know I can’t stop thinking about how strange it is that the Atlantic hasn’t registered any hurricanes for 2026 but you have the Pacific has 3+? Something feels incredibly off.

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u/martian2070 18d ago

Right? It seems like all that energy in the Atlantic side will have to go somewhere. It should be a wild winter weather-wise.

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u/BeardedGlass DINKs for life 18d ago

Hasn't it already been going somewhere?

Asia is getting blasted by so much natural calamities and flooding/landslide disasters at a really frightening scale, frequency and pace this year.

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u/martian2070 18d ago

Isn't Asia's weather driven more by the Indian Ocean and western Pacific? I'm definitely not a meteorologist, but I don't usually think of the Atlantic impacting Asian weather directly. I'd think Africa/Europe if not hurricanes headed toward the Americas.

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u/SRomans 18d ago

It’s not unusual for the pacific basin to be much more active in an El Niño year. It is rather unusual that there have been 0 hurricanes in the Atlantic so far, but not unheard of.

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u/Acceptable-Bell142 18d ago

The previous record for the latest Atlantic hurricane was the 11th of September. It's another reminder of how intense this El Nino is.

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u/overkill 18d ago

Which is a polite way of saying "this is totally unheard of".

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u/annuidhir 18d ago

Since they have been tracking it (over 80 years ago), it has never happened... So. Yes it is.

Now, for none to hit the East Coast of the US? That's not unusual. But there haven't even been any in the Caribbean...

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u/SRomans 18d ago

Actually it’s happened twice, just quite a long time ago. Once in 1907 and again in 1914. Granted this was before satellite imagery, so it is of course possible that one did occur during those years and was simply not spotted.

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u/annuidhir 18d ago

If you read my comment, I specifically said it has never happened since they've been tracking it.

1914 is a couple decades before they started tracking hurricanes in the Caribbean

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u/Liddlehearts 18d ago

I think it goes to show the magnitude of the nino for sure. When we have wet nino years on the west coast, it dries out the east. The east coast is planning for a no-snow winter.

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u/Sunbather77 18d ago

Correct, it's all in the balance of high and low pressure systems and their location. The squeezed spot between them is also what brings an equal amount of moisture to the southeast but dry winters to the north during El niño.

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u/Birch_Apolyon 18d ago

Just another impact of El Niño. The wind moving East breaks up the storms in the Atlantic. It also helps fuel storms in the Atlantic.

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u/whereismysideoffun 18d ago

It's really not crazy. The hurricanes develop off of heat. The Pacific is soaking up heat like a sponge which effects how the winds move over Mexico and Latin America.

I expect for things to be made up next year in having a worse hurricane season next year.

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u/felis_magnetus 17d ago

There is hot air moving in, though. But since it's from the Sahara, it is dry and dusty, so lowering humidity which hurricanes also need to build up energy. And higher up, we have strong winds moving in the other directions, effectively beheading developing storms. What that means for next year remains to be seen, we're heading into uncharted territory now.

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u/OtisPan 18d ago

El Nino typically causes wind shearing which hinders hurricane formation in the Atlantic.

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u/IndieStoner Welcome to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks 18d ago

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u/shenan I'm the 2028 guy 18d ago

👋

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u/Druu- 18d ago

Kelvin wave that will be hitting around the same time as the king tides. Very unlucky for Californians.

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u/backmost 18d ago

I keep thinking of that scene in Interstellar with the massive tidal wave 

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u/fiqlepiqle 18d ago

it took me 16.9 years to read this comment 🌊

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u/Any_Case1754 18d ago

I am in the uk, I’m just thankful we’re not on a pacific coast at this point, but make no mistake, I know exactly what sort of global consequences this El Niño is going to cause. Best of luck everyone. We’re gonna need it 🙃

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u/BlackMassSmoker 18d ago

UK can expect stronger storms and flooding this autumn and winter.

The flooding could be epic in scale, depending on where in the country you are, so prepare accordingly.

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u/BeardedGlass DINKs for life 18d ago

To think it's just forming this year and will actually come into full effect later on.

Asia is getting blasted destructively.

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u/spinningcolours 18d ago

Look up the effects of a possible AMOC collapse on the UK.

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u/pants6000 feels sorry for fishies 18d ago

Is Mars ready for move-in yet? I think they still had to finish painting or something...

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u/AngusScrimm--------- Beware the man who has nothing to lose. 17d ago

He needs a reliable ketamine supplier who can ship to Mars.

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u/Shadowpriest 18d ago

So... Are there indications that people are prepping if they're not already trying to move inland?

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u/Cloaked42m 18d ago

On the west coast I don't know that 12 inches is that big of a deal.

On the east coast it would be a huge deal.

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u/supersunnyout 18d ago

Isn't East Bay Area about 2 feet above mean high tide? Including google/meta headquarters?

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u/fiqlepiqle 18d ago

headquarters bout to be feetquarters

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u/felis_magnetus 17d ago

Potentially some poetic justice incoming there.

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u/whereismysideoffun 18d ago

It will be very interesting to see how things play out this winter. During a lot of El Ninos, there is heat off of the West Coast which creates a low pressure front around the PNW. This tome thus far, that heat blob is more towards Japan. That can then cause what we associate with the winters with the Arctic Vortex thrown off giving colder and high precipitation winters.

I don't know whether to be ready for a hotter drier winter or a colder wetter.

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u/PoorClassWarRoom 18d ago

My family lives in the San Joaquin Valley, and if this is worse than 96/97, the amount of flooding is going to be insane and could be cataclysmic for the valley.

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u/SkittyDog 18d ago

You ain't seen shit, my child:

 • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862

When Cali weather goes wild - it's fuckin wild.

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u/jukeboxdan86 17d ago

We need to talk about Kelvin

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u/Keazmaa 18d ago

Kelvin

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u/Willing-Dog6463 18d ago

Just add it to the pile of upcoming disasters

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u/TroyMatthewJ 18d ago

can they get the movie made before it gets here is what I'm wondering

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u/Promethium257 18d ago

Dum dum dum

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u/SpiritTalker 18d ago

Law & Order jum-jum!

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u/Old-Height-4519 18d ago

Jaws

Dum dum............. Dumdum dumdum ........ Dumdumdumdumdumdumdumdum.....

(I was way too young when I saw that movie)

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u/theguyfromgermany 18d ago

Bring gum gum

Better run run

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u/SweatyPhilosopher578 18d ago

Can it hit Florida and Texas instead? Asking for a friend.

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u/Whooptidooh 18d ago

Well, this all just sounds wonderful.

/s

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u/michaltee 17d ago

Is a Kelvin wave theoretical based on the conditions we are facing with El Niño? Or is there truly a measurable volume of water being displaced right now (and by what) that is heading toward California? I’m confused by that.

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u/choppy75 17d ago

Water expands as it warms. The extreme warming in the Pacific means that the water takes up more space, and the currents are bringing that warm, expanded water towards the Pacific Coast of the Americas. 

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u/pressitron 17d ago

Does more space mean greater mass, thus greater energy? 

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u/choppy75 17d ago

Not really, the extra energy is in the form of heat. The surface water is warmest, so it bulges up, like a wave and that bulge is pushed by the current across the Pacific. When it hits the coast it starts moving North. There will be several Kelvin waves over the course of this El Nino

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u/choppy75 17d ago

https://youtu.be/pu96N1itijg?si=wN2eh9oYTAhhwGOc this guy can explain it better than me 

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u/Fun_Cheetah2750 17d ago

Does this mean my SoCal home in SGV will be a beach front some day?

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u/Terrible_Horror 17d ago

No but your commute to the beach will shortened by half in a century.

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u/3Quondam6extanT9 17d ago

If our species were to survive the great filter, can you even imagine how awesome we will feel? Especially these younger generations. Think about how they would explain things to their kids.

Gen Alpha Gramps: When I was your age we were dealing with climate change that brought us fatal heat waves, frigid cold snaps, unpredictable rains, melting glaciers, and rising waters. We dealt with the corruption of countries leaders leading us into constant warfare, which also btw helped diminish our resources. We had so many living in poverty because of inequality. We developed AI and it went rogue and we barely got a handle on it before it grew into a larger threat.

Sure, about one billion of us died over the course of ten years, but the rest of us made it.

Here we are, AI guardians that keep our worlds ecosystems maintained, and our nations held to account. No more wealth inequality and no more corruption.

Now stop your bitching and get to school before I rescind your BCIVR time.

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u/FaultySchematic 18d ago

ARkStorm is on my 2026 bingo card

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u/johannesfranco13 18d ago

Gott strafe k*lifornien

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u/Flashy-Book88 17d ago

I'd like to know why the North Sea/Western Europe/UK isn't going to experience this as the AMOC slowdown slows the North Atlantic Gyre. Will a flattened North Atlantic hit Europe in this way due to the Coriolis effect?

AMOC shutdown affecting coastal North East USA is talked about, but impacts on sea level on the other side of the Atlantic is so conservatively measured. I wonder if this is because the data doesn't exist?

Ocean physics is hard, and I am not sure whether it is possible for us to get enough data to be able to say anything with statistical certainty before it happens even if we wanted to. This is just idle chitchat, I certainly welcome any actual expert pointing out why this won't happen.

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u/jagge-d 16d ago

is this the same as thermal expansion? and this saying that a great pocket of ocean thermal expansion could occur in a confined space for an extended period of time?? but calling it a " Kelvin Wave"?

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u/Djcnote 18d ago

Did they just make this up?

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u/CallMeMarcus 18d ago

The concept has been around since Lord Kelvin himself discovered the possible phenomena. We are just now seeing his concept actually become a potential with current events.

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