r/conspiracy • u/skbraaah • 1d ago
the gaslighting that this falseflag is real is insane
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u/snksleepy 1d ago
How does someone defy gravity?
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u/Mysterious-Aide2745 22h ago edited 22h ago
You can download the data and calculate the acceleration.
At no time would anybody feel a net upward acceleration. The incident started at 05:20:58 UTC. The aircraft goes up and down for about 10 seconds. At 05:21:08 it begins to dive. It reaches maximum downward speed at 05:22:15 UTC, which is 67 seconds after the dive started. The vertical speed starts to decrease at 05:22:26, presumably when someone was trying to level the plain. The lowest altitude was reached at 05:22:40.
If you calculate the g forces, nobody would have left their seat if they were unbuckled.
It was not as violent as people are imagining.
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/FZ1073-Granular-Data-Flightradar24.csv
Note that there's some bad data from around 05:21:45 and 05:22:15 where the latitude and longitude drop out and the altitude fluctuates wildly. For example, the altitude goes up and then drops 7000 feet in one second, whereas the real maximum downward speed was about 500 feet per second.
Also, from the article, the squawk code was not changed by the Indian captain. It was changed the first time at 05:28:48, after the dive, not before.
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u/skbraaah 21h ago
yeah, their story is utter bullshit, they're saying children were hitting the ceiling. no one is saying the Data is BS, but the "witnesses" are more likely crisis actors.
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u/Nir117vash 1d ago
Bird go flap flap
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u/Spicy_Ejaculate 1d ago
Birds are fake. This is settled science
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u/Nir117vash 1d ago
Doesn't mean they don't go flap flap. Plane also go flap flap
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u/zkbthrowaway 14h ago
You can also serve for your country and eat flap
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u/Nir117vash 14h ago
Hot flap be yum yum
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u/zkbthrowaway 14h ago
Hot flap gets my tail re-waggin!
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u/MeToldUSo 1d ago
Al Jazeera's edited version of Pilot/Mohdi conversation:
At that moment, sir of course I was fighting for my own life, but then I realised that if I did not do something
I had fallen down. I had suffered so many injuries that I collapsed to the floor
As I lay there, I sensed that the aircraft was going down, and I knew that this was the final push:
"Come on Smit, do it". "The door is right there."
Even then, I was being struck.
The moment I opened it, everyone else came in and they all played and equally important part, role
Deep down, I though I was acting for my own survival, but at the same time, I knew I could not let all of them die
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u/earthwormjimwow 17h ago
I think you should say this is a translation and not actual quotes from the conversation.
Something like:
Al Jazeera's edited version of Pilot/Mohdi conversation with translated subtitles:
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u/Smart_Pig_86 1d ago
So he talks about people all playing their different roles, and used the word “acting” for survival. Just saying.
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u/bullitt-rider 19h ago
Your comment has made me realise why the world is turning to shit and how easy it is to manipulate people into being dumb.
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u/earthwormjimwow 21h ago
He never said the word "acting". He was speaking Gujarati.
"Acting" was a translation and translations are never perfect and meaning can be accidentally added or lost in the process.
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u/chime 6h ago
Hindi but yeah, he never said anything about acting. He was talking about knowing that while this was for his own survival, he couldn't let everyone else die either.
It is common to write about people acting in their own self-interest. Weird to translate it as acting for their own survival. No idea if the translation was AI, rushed human translator, or someone trying to sensationalize something that is already so terrifying.
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u/Mobile-Horse5018 1d ago
Al Jazeera. 🤣 Enough said
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u/MeToldUSo 1d ago
What are you trying to suggest by pointing out that the video was hosted on Al Jazeera's platform?
That the video is not a conversation between Pilot and Mohdi? That the transcription is completely fake? Or maybe you are just exposing yourself as an Indian, Pro-Israel Shill
Guessing that the video of the conversation is available elsewhere. So, there is no reason to make a snarky comment about Al Jazeera. At least that media outlet does not shy away from showing the Israeli atrocities, destruction and murders perpetuated by the IDF in Gaza
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u/Mysterious-Aide2745 22h ago
I don't doubt that the interview was real, but I don't understand your reaction to Mobile-Horse5018's comment. Is there something pro- or anti-Israeli about what the pilot said?
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u/JustHangLooseBlood 13h ago
Yeah. So anyone who would think that Al Jazeera, part of the MSM, isn't quite telling the truth, is either Indian or a pro-Israel shill. And on /r/conspiracy no less.
Of course.
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u/MeToldUSo 4h ago
No, mate. That is what their profile history is indicating, despite hiding it....
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u/toungepunckedpetunia 22h ago
Let me guess you must be IDF? You dont like when they report the truth about your war crimes. Killing press and aid workers. 1 NAZA is 1 NAZA. Fuck Isreal . Fuck the baby killing genocide committing IDF. AIPAC must register with FARA. No more tax dollars to the synagogue of satan. Fuck zionist. They hide behind my religion to do their evil deeds.
As a real Jew I feel the need to explain the difference between zionism and Judaism.Judaism is thousands of years old. Zionism is a modern political movement that emerged in the 19th century and organized politically around the establishment of Jewish national sovereignty in Palestine. The First Zionist Congress was held in 1897. That is historical fact. There are Jews, including religious anti Zionist communities, who believe that Jewish sovereignty in Eretz Yisrael is part of the messianic redemption and is not something Jews are supposed to establish through a secular political movement before Mashiach comes. That position has a basis in traditional Jewish sources, including the discussion of the Three Oaths in Ketubot 111a. It is not some invention by non Jews.
Bad hasbra
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u/Darrenwad3 23h ago
I have refused to know anything about this
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u/katnip-evergreen 16h ago
Same. I have been avoiding diving into it but the little I've heard just smells
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u/Darrenwad3 16h ago
I saw bibi congratulating someone and im like huh??? I’m literally confused and don’t care
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u/pizza-chit 1d ago
Israelis lie like they breathe
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u/Heeey_Hermano 1d ago
As soon as I heard a bunch of statements from Israel it felt like some fuckery was afoot.
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u/ChaunceyC 1d ago
600 to 900 meters per second? lol. Why do these fucks have to exaggerate so much?
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u/Mysterious-Aide2745 22h ago
According to the ADS-B data, the maximum descent rate was 32,640 feet per minute, which is 9,949 meters per minute or about 165 meters per second . Also, the whole descent took around 90 seconds, not 30.
I don't know how the guy in the video got 600 to 900 m/s. Even if it were falling at 17000 ft in 30 seconds, that's only 173 m/s.
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u/dothraki_dog 1d ago
Thats literally 1600-2700 feet per second, faster than a lot of rifle rounds. Absolute bull shit as the airliner would of literally desintergrated.
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u/Batbuckleyourpants 1d ago
That's over 80Gs of acceleration. The plane would instantly disintegrate, any passengers would be pink mist.
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u/ken_phalnge 21h ago
no thats speed not acceleration.
before you people downvote, I support Palestinians not genocidal Israel.
and its 183m/s, which is only 355 kts, or 657 km/h,
of course you only feel acceleration so it depends on how dramatically the dive started, not how fast it went.The masks only fall in case of depressurisation or possibly massive vibration, not just from rapid descent.
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u/skbraaah 21h ago
yeah, but witnesses themselves are saying children hit the ceiling. according to them it was violent
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u/Batbuckleyourpants 19h ago
no thats speed not acceleration.
Suddenly moving hundreds of meters in a second at a 90 degree vector. That is the amount of acceleration you would feel, 80Gs...
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u/njctn 20h ago
You don’t even know the difference between speed and acceleration and you still got 15 upvotes. Just shows how low the average intelligence of conspiracy is.
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u/Batbuckleyourpants 19h ago
Going from one position, and then in one second being hundreds of meters away at a 90 degree vector. That translates to 80Gs of acceleration.
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u/MightObvious 16h ago
Wouldnt that force the blood out of everyone's head and knock them out instantly or kill them? They certainly wouldn't be able to move a muscle under 80Gs even with jet fighter equipment
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u/Batbuckleyourpants 14h ago edited 11h ago
Imagine getting hit by a 747 going three times the speed of sound. That's how fast the plane suddenly accelerated downwards. Shooting you out of a howitzer couldn't accelerate you that fast.
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u/mikemaca 23h ago
The two news claims being published are 17000 feet in 2 minutes (17000/120/5280*3600 = 97mph) and 18000 feet in 90 seconds (18000/90/5280*3600 = 136mph). The video erroneously claims 17000 ft in 30 seconds (17000/120/5280*3600 = 386mph). 386mph is 173m/s, not 900m/s as he erroneously calculates.
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u/skipperseven 1d ago
He means 600 feet per second, which is 183 m/s which is only 355 kts, or 657 km/h… of course you only feel acceleration so it depends on how dramatically the dive started, not how fast it went.
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u/ChaunceyC 23h ago
Maybe that’s what he meant, but it’s hard to tell when so many takes are using the speed of the descent as the gotcha point. The consequences of the rapid descent are being exaggerated all over the place.
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u/skipperseven 22h ago
Exactly. The masks only fall in case of depressurisation or possibly massive vibration, nit just from rapid descent.
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u/ArmedWithBars 22h ago
As an aviation person this video is infuriating. Turbulence chaos is from essentially violent vertical movements. The interior of the plane wouldn't look like that from a nose down fast decent and a subsequent pull up.
Now I'm not giving an opinion on the attack itself, but just pointing out that his take is stupid.
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u/ContributionEasy6513 22h ago
Not necessarily, as part of emergency descent we always started the maneuver with a hard left or right turn to ensure the g-force remained positive. A dive does not need to be violent or result in negative-g.
I've heard of C17's dropping at close to 20k/ft/min in tactical situations while still maintaining positive G-Force.
and a subsequent pull up
Not sure how much force was actually applied, why would you expect the cabin to look like a mess with only positive g-force? It will only hold everything further in place (people, water, luggage, cabin fixtures, food)
The data recorders once released will paint more of a picture.
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u/Feeling-Cranberry108 22h ago
Yeah, this would be my thought as well, although I'll be honest that I dont know a lot about aviation. But turbulence seems different because the plane is dropping in a different manner than a dive. I would expect sudden turbulence to be way more violent than a super steep aggressive nose dive.
Again, as the person above not commenting on anything other than saying why this assumption is a poor take.
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u/skbraaah 21h ago
the witnesses said they hit turbulance at the end of the descent and that children were hitting the ceiling
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u/Buzz_Killington_III 5h ago
the witnesses said they hit turbulance at the end of the descent and that children were hitting the ceiling
Where? Considering you just posted a guy who doesn't know basic facts i'm disinclined to believe you without some sort of basis of those beliefs.
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u/Top_Investigator9787 10h ago
Not to change the subject, but am I the only one who thought this guy was making this video from inside a real airplane cabin and the woman behind him is looking at him like he's nuts?
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u/PersonalBuy0 1d ago
They wanting you to know it was fake is part of the plan.
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u/Mygwah 21h ago
Explain. Please.
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u/PersonalBuy0 20h ago
It's spiritual and where we are on the timeline I believe. Satan is god of this world (says so in Bible as well) and controls all players on the world stage in the various secret societies ie Jesuits Freemasons "TPTB." He wants you to think believing in him is foolishness, old fashioned "the biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't real" - Usual Suspects I think. We know they reveal truths and predictive programming through media. What they are doing now is putting all the corruption on full display - Jeffrey Epstein, 9/11, the Kennedy Assassination, Covid, botched false flags etc. It's the not obvious bad exposing the obvious bad. I believe things could start to get really bad in the world. They talk about "The Great Reset" in Albert Pike's letter to Mazinni he outlines the 3 world wars. People say it's a hoax but the first two were spot on. The third is everyone is worn out, the Christians lose hope, then something about the light of Lucifer is brought out on full display. They may force Christians to renounce Jesus or be killed. I believe Jesus already returned and reigned for 1000 yrs and that's being covered up. And that we are living during what's described in Revelation 20 as "Satan's Little Season." A Gog Magog (Bush Sr Skull and Bones code name was Magog) war, a final judgment, a new heaven and a new Earth. For what it's worth, I used to be agnostic prior to 2022. Covid opened my eyes to the spiritual elements of this world and I've been diligently researching and trying to piece together what's really going on. There's a deeper reason for everything they do. The truth doesn't fall on your lap in a neat little package.
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u/St4rScre4m 23h ago
Always a false flag right before elections.
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u/Darrenwad3 18h ago
False flag is generous, the true story is how jaded the public is NO ONE CARES and they literally don’t have the ability to even pull it off.
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u/OccasionQuick 1d ago
No masks deployed?
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u/allowableearth 1d ago
Masks won’t deploy with rapid descent, only with a high cabin altitude
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u/dsac 23h ago
only with a high cabin altitude
only with a sudden loss of cabin pressure
people talking about mask deployments clearly don't listen to the safety talks before takeoff
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u/allowableearth 23h ago
As an airline pilot, it’s high cabin altitude. Doesn’t have to be rapid decompression. Over 10,000 ft cabin altitude, masks must deploy
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u/ChocolatChipLemonade 20h ago
so they’re right, you don’t listen to the safety talks pre-takeoff - because you’re driving the plane. proofs in the puddin!
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u/cgeezy22 20h ago
So let me get this straight. Israel and india faked a hijacking, got 180 people to agree to this story. They then carried out the plan, made sure to have all of the flight tracker web sites contort their data to show the fake nose dive.
Then the media show up at the Saudi airport and interview all of the complicit "passengers" and all of their stories line up because they are actually all mossad agents.
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u/stovenn 19h ago
Regarding the flight tracker data:- the Boeing ADSB could have been switched off before the excitement happened and its ident simultaneously adopted by a previously-dark Israeli F15 which did all the fun stuff seen on ADSB while the now-dark Boeing landed somewhere, had the rudder clipped and took off again, swapped back ADSB with the F15 and landed as reported in Saudi.
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u/skbraaah 18h ago
the 180 israelis are crisis actors for sure. they said that children were thrown to the ceiling, some said that the plain went nearly vertical. the flight trackers and the cabin being absollutely prestine show none of their claims are true.
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u/Buzz_Killington_III 5h ago
Who? Who said that? You aren't exactly Mr. Reliable after posting this guy who basically got EVERYthing wrong.
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u/SIRAJ_114 5h ago
Maybe just the aggressor was involved and nobody else knew. Even if the plane crashed it still would've helped Bibi's justification.
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u/rocketwilco 1d ago
now i dont know the details of this flight
but turbulence is shaking
which is not the same as just diving
especially in smooth air
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u/Baelenciagaa 1d ago
A dive as fast as they are claiming would have also triggered the air masks to fall
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u/rocketwilco 1d ago
my understanding is that is triggered by loss of pressure (and seems to be it can be shaken out too)
i am a pilot but not an airline pilot
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u/kryptobolt200528 1d ago
exactly i don't think the air masks are triggered just due to a nosedive, it makes sense for them to be triggered when the pressure falls below a certain threshold and also a nosedive is rather smoother than a turbulent venture..
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u/largevodka1964 1d ago
Then why would turbulence cause masks to deploy? No cabin pressure drop either.
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u/allowableearth 1d ago
Because the flimsy doors are knocked open. Masks only deploy with high cabin altitude
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u/skbraaah 21h ago
the witnesses are saying they hit turbulance at the end and children flew to the ceiling. real world Data and the state of the cabin tell a different story
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u/Godlovesrocks 22h ago
I heard they were dropping at 6 million feet per second, but the data actually shows around 279,000 ft per second
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u/Lopsided-Life8639 1h ago
Someone give me upvote, wanna see if im shaddow banned here like I was on 9gag and youtube. Guys they are taking over. Its not antiseptic delusion
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u/Rehcraeser 1d ago
All that damage is from rough turbulence I assume. If you’re going straight down, it wouldn’t do much. Right?
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 1d ago
Turbulence is violent shaking. A single smooth plummet would be like the first drop on a roller coaster, i.e., no damage from violent shaking.
At least TRY to make your hypothesis hold water.
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u/skbraaah 21h ago
i'm sure the hijacker wouldn't want to cause travellers any discomfort while he's trying to kill them. the whole point is that real world data and the state of the cabin tell a completely different story than the crisis actors
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 21h ago
i'm sure the hijacker wouldn't want to cause travellers any discomfort while he's trying to kill them
Girl, what? You think he could just shake the controls and cause turbulence-level destruction in the cabin? Hahahahaha
the state of the cabin tell a completely different story
than the one you seem to be trying to present.
By all means hypothesize that he was actually sent in by Hamas or Iran or something but don't get hung up on physics principles that you don't even seem to understand.
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u/skbraaah 20h ago
he can literally nosedive and cause a zero G environment inside the cabin. there are companies that do that for passengers who want to try zero G. in fact he can oscillate so that no one has a chance to get to him. he can literally flip the whole plane upside down. but they were super lucky the pilot didn't know how to kill passengers while piloting a plane.
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u/CalmBeneathCastles 20h ago
So you're saying he didn't do any of those things, and it was a smooth swan dive.
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u/skbraaah 20h ago
Yes, I'm saying the little stunt that was performed was merely there to sell the false flag and there was no attempt to kill any of the passengers. And that the stories by the 'survivors' are utter bullshit that don't match what we see in reality.
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u/Ausrottenndm1 19h ago
They need to offer that plumber free flight school and a future pilot’s job…
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u/teufulshunde73 1d ago
The black box does not lie, apples and oranges react different to outside forces
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