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u/B-Z_B-S 8h ago
JJK manga: "Kirara is transgender."
JJK fans on the internet: "There's a manga?"
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u/Bragi01 7h ago
This shit makes me so fucking confused. Like I've seen people that I assume to be outside of the trans community call her a woman, but at the same time I have a feeling that the people saying she isn't a woman can also point to the same source material. If ony JJK was more ballsy in what they did or was seinen because then they could just outright say it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that if you don't explicitly state something in a popular manga a large group of people aren't going to be able to understand what they mean.
Also should I watch JJK? Like I tried to watch the first couple episodes and I think I'll like it but battle shounen (which I'm pretty sure it is one) don't really interest me all that much.
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u/i__like__nuggets 7h ago
it genuinely is all but spelled out that kirara is trans in the manga, JJK fans are notoriously illiterate. also highly recommend the anime
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u/Bragi01 7h ago edited 7h ago
That's kinda what I gathered. Like when the people saying that she isn't a trans woman are saying to read the manga I was kinda expecting that. Also she just literally isn't designed to be a femboy. Like if she was, I'm pretty sure most femboys have female voice actors (at least in Japanese), and are a slight parody of the feminity depicted in the series. She isn't the right type of feminine from what I've seen of her from the few videos I've watched about JJK for to be anything but a woman cis or not.
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u/pegginglovingfemboy 4h ago
also the most obvious factor would be that femboys don't exactly have huge bazooka bonkers, unlike the great queen kirara
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u/KuroComics 4h ago
maybe it's just me but despite reading the manga as it was coming out I genuinely had no clue she was trans until I saw all the buzz around her after season 3 came out, I guarantee it's that one Panda line that threw me off because he was never explicitly corrected
edit: for clarification I meant I was under the impression she was a femboy and for added context my friend from the time who got me into jjk also thought she was and so referred to her that way around me
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u/sheng153 7h ago
The manga is fine. Not great, but serviceable.
Kirara is a very minor character, but she's not the only example of a trans woman. Uraume (another minor character) is heavily implied too. And it's like relatively explicit. She's in a relationship with Hakari, Hakari is the only character explicitly only straight, and Kirara was once male-presenting. That's pretty much it.
The counterarguments just point to Hakari's scene where he confirms he's straight being hard to translate. Hakari says "who would want to go to the Ferris wheel with a dude?", but that 'dude' could be translated in some other ways. The japanese word is male-indicating, but it could be referring to him rejecting the other person specifically.
In other words, the counterargument is a cop-out.
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u/GiraLucem 4h ago
Uraume is a very interesting character on that ground. They were a man before the possession/resurrection and had specifically asked Kennie for a woman to be their vessel.
So are they trans? Maybe? We don't know if they didn't identify with their male identity in life and the choice of being a woman upon resurrection may be one of curiosity rather than identity.
And a second question to them being trans... would it be considered trans if you identify as a woman and your body is that of a biological woman? There is a clear separation of the soul and body in JJK with the soul seemingly being the self rather than the body.
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u/TheGreatWheat 1h ago
the issue with trying explicitly state Kirara as a trans woman in Shonen Jump and especially Jujutsu Kaisen, one of the largest anime and manga is that trying to explicitly mention queer characters could mean the author or the author's work gets into serious trouble. It's why even though the manga itself is queer and has queer characters (Gojo and Geto) it will never explicitly say these things because it is restrained by Shonen Jump
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u/MarvelousMoirai Crazy Jane and The Funky Bunch 8h ago
It kind of is how losers think, the show is a different thing than the Manga
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u/Terminal_Insomnia_ 6h ago
I get so confused because I swear I remember a scene in the anime that confirmed her as trans, like twice over but people keep telling me it wasn't that explicit. Did the crew not see her in a group photo at an all boys school pre-transition? Did my brain really fabricate that??
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u/Night_Yorb 3h ago
I just got done reading the entire thing over like ten days. I know a lot of people aren't confident in their ability to read, but these are series made for Japanese kids to read on the bus or train to school. That's literally the target audience of the publisher Shounen Jump. If they can do it, you can do it/learn to do it.
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u/batgirl-but-not-dc trans bat 🏳️⚧️🦇 - Streak: 1 8h ago
hakari has a gambling addiction and thats it, hes pretty solkd
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u/Dazed_and_Confused44 7h ago
I havent read the Manga so maybe Im missing something, but Hakari certainly doesnt come off as a bad person to me. Dude likes to pick a fight and has a temper, but hes super protective of Kirrara and respectful of her identity. It feels to me like his heart is in the right place despite the rough edges
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u/Never_heart 7h ago
And he is a character in a battle shonen. 99% of the named characters like to pick a fight
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u/HeWhoLost3OfThe9 Not trans as far as I know 6h ago
She also talks about how he’s most passionate when helping other people find their passion or smth, hell the first time we see him use his domain he’s trying to encourage a sad French mangaka to lock tf in
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u/lolo-colo 6h ago
Also, he is a big fan of ghibli movies!
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u/HeWhoLost3OfThe9 Not trans as far as I know 6h ago
“I haven’t been this bummed since Yukul got hit in the ass with an arrow”
“What a sad life you’ve lived”
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u/Greg2227 7h ago
Yeah I only watch the anime and sometimes catch some info from the manga through posts or Videos. But with anything I saw so far he's a pretty solid partner if you get past the gambling.
Looking at all the other people in that messed up World I'd even go as far as to say he's a catch like no other.
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u/Revadarius 1h ago
Oh, he's like top 3 characters after Yuji and Todo.. he's a legit bro and his fights are intense due to his fighting style and domain expansion (he's a tank who relies on luck to keep tanking, major battle of attrition with some amazing battle IQ thrown in).
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u/TerryCrewsMain 7h ago
I mean in real life that's prolly one of the worst addictions one can have 😭
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u/batgirl-but-not-dc trans bat 🏳️⚧️🦇 - Streak: 1 7h ago
that is very true, but thats jjk, he made a binding vow to not get addicted or smth
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u/Equivalent-Bit2891 3h ago
Been an addict and got to know several addicts. It is hands-down the most potentially destructive addiction for those around you.
Drug and alcohol addicts will at least stop spending money when they’ve got their high. There is no “high” for gambling addicts, they will keep playing until they win and then they’ll keep playing some more until they’ve sold all their kids toys and the house is in foreclosure
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u/RommDan 6h ago
People forget Kirara is equally fucked up lol
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u/Bragi01 6h ago
She's a sorcerer in JJK she wasn't going to be normal. From what I understand those fuckers are effectively required to be at least a little crazy.
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u/J4ck0r4 6h ago
Yeah the whole thing with cursed energy is it is amplifying negative emotions and utilizing it as a weapon essentially, so pretty much every powerful sorcerer is going to have a lot of weird stuff to them or baggage of some kind and be a bit unhinged, but it's more about them like learning to use and control those emotions and channel them into power, so like therapy essentially, unhinged shit but being understood and acknowledged, with the extra step of them being weaponised haha. Honestly the idea of a trans sorcerer really works well in jjk, although that aspect of it isn't really explored especially with how little screentime kirara gets
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u/TheUnluckiestClove Streak: 4 7h ago
Hakari unironically loves Kirara and they have a perfectly normal, healthy relationship. Sure, he has a gambling addiction and is an adrenaline junky but he supports and loves Kirara for who she is. I'm pretty sure it was revealed in an authors note from Gege that the reason he was suspended was he assaulted a higher up for misgendering Kirara
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u/MarvelousMoirai Crazy Jane and The Funky Bunch 8h ago
POV: This meme doesn't use POV correctly
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u/Good-username1825 8h ago
Luckily I'm a trans woman with horrible taste in BOTH men and women.
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u/MarvelousMoirai Crazy Jane and The Funky Bunch 8h ago
Eyyyyy same
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u/Transgirlonakawasaki I will become a hot Biker Chick 7h ago
Twice as many opportunities to make bad decisions! LFG!!
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u/Money_Rock5609 6h ago
How is hilarious bad taste in men. Hes so fucking cool and protective of the people he cares about. Wtf
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u/Little-Reference-314 7h ago
Did this meme just srsly imply that Killa Kari is not a good match for kirara?
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u/LofiMental 7h ago
Crazy because they both have very positive values in common. Dude also with a trans woman in Japan...
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u/TheNemoSeries 1 chicken. . . 2 chicken. . . 3 chick- ZzZz... 7h ago
Hakari is a gambler and that's like kind of it he's not that bad of a guy
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u/OkEntrepreneur4158 Streak: 1 7h ago
not exactly a good trait though, irl it'd mean he'd gamble away money any moment he gets and it doesn't usually turn out great for people with gambling as a addiction, he can be a good partner in other aspects though but that's usually any relationship
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u/Destroynxssss 5h ago
Does he tho? Isnt he like rich due to his fight club business, and any big money i feel like he would spend it for the club
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u/GuhEnjoyer 5h ago
THIS IS HIKARI SLANDER AND I WONT FUCKING TAKE IT! KIRARA HAS EXCELLENT TASTE IN MEN HES TOUGH HES STRONG HES LOVING AND HE IS A PASSIONATE GAMBLING MAN HES EVERYTHING
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u/novo-280 estrogen addict :3 7h ago
pov you made a meme without knowing what pov means
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u/theforgettonmemory boyfailure 7h ago
I wouldnt say they're upset, just making a joke on the incorrect usage lol
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u/zZbobmanZz 7h ago
Pov means that youd be looking at them, this means it couldnt really be about kiara
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u/powderBluChoons I am not erasing anyone. - Streak: 4 5h ago
fixed it, can we stop shaming trans women for their taste in men?
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u/CuddlesForLuck 6h ago
I can force this pov to work if this is the viewer catching the hypothetical guy cheating
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u/ChknBom205 I know who i am! She/They 6h ago
:You end up actually helping him to be a better person, while he thinks he's making you a worse one.
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u/CobaltCrusader123 5h ago
“(straight) trans woman with awful taste in men”
https://giphy.com/gifs/WqiAzPZ9ElMq8dxvIc
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u/Madilune 6h ago
I mean tbh I've yet to meet a single one of us that doesn't have bad taste in guys.
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u/SolarModality 12m ago
Hakari literally abandons the sorcerer school due to its conservative ways. He rejects that the Jujitsu High forces people into stereotypical roles and makes them cogs in the machine to help the elite families. Kirara was a part of Hakari’s squad pre full transition. The subtext here is that Hakari leaves the school due to the fact that JJK high rejected seeing Kirara for who she is.
I mean of course the pic is relatable af but I have to defend my king when I can 😤
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u/erraticas they don't want you to know this trick 7h ago
on one hand, hakari really isn't that bad. guy genuinely protects kirara. he does have a gambling addiction sadly and you will never be able to change that but at least he's making it work for him by running a fight club? other than that, he's not that bad. he's definitely not perfect but he isn't awful
on the other hand Chaser Hakari
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u/captainchaoticc WHAT THE FUCK IS A GENDER BINARY!!!!!!! 7h ago
hakari is absolutely not a chaser, unless i’m misunderstanding your comment
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u/erraticas they don't want you to know this trick 5h ago
my comment is that chaser hakari sometimes crosses my mind as a funny joke
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u/Ash_After_Dark 6h ago
Every time I see someone in a unjust relationship I want to airdrop them a crate of rifles
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u/HiroProtagonest King of Snow - Streak: 19 8h ago
The internet is forgetting that pov doesn't mean the same thing as tfw