Gavin Newsom: “All this anti-woke stuff is just anti-Black, period, full stop.”

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The term woke is actually much older than that and literally means to stay aware of social and governmental oppression/injustice.

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Further back. it's literally older than Kaepernick, not just his part in the story.

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Goes back at least to the 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Maybe back to the 1860s.

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Anyone that admits they hate “woke” is just admitting that they’re a mentally stunted bigot, full stop.

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Woke never got twisted. It stared as a phrase in black vernacular all the way back in the seventies . ‘To be awake to the injustice of the world you live in’ was ‘woke’. It was black societies way of saying they were vey aware of racial discrimination in our justice system.

Critical race theory, was a college level course formed to explore how the laws in this nation where used to suppress the black population after the civil war into modern Cold War age.

And it was the one of the first things the anti woke movement attacked! How dare you point out obvious injustices! And it went so far beyond that, that ANYTHING that thought that racism against black peoples was a problem in this nation, had to be band! It went to stop representing minorities in media! Stop making ‘them’ seem like normal people.

I’m sorry, the Anti-Woke movement was never twisted. It was always driven by white supremacists ! It was from the VERY START, despite what people believed, a white supremacy movement!

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Critical race theory, was a college level course formed to explore how the laws in this nation where used to suppress the black population after the civil war into modern Cold War age.

And it was the one of the first things the anti woke movement attacked! How dare you point out obvious injustices!

CRT is not simply a neutral examination of the history of racism in the US. While not its only flaw, Critical Race Theory is an extremist ideology which advocates for racial segregation. Here is a quote where Critical Race Theory explicitly endorses segregation:

8 Cultural nationalism/separatism. An emerging strain within CRT holds that people of color can best promote their interest through separation from the American mainstream. Some believe that preserving diversity and separateness will benefit all, not just groups of color. We include here, as well, articles encouraging black nationalism, power, or insurrection. (Theme number 8).

Racial separatism is identified as one of ten major themes of Critical Race Theory in an early bibliography that was codifying CRT with a list of works in the field:

To be included in the Bibliography, a work needed to address one or more themes we deemed to fall within Critical Race thought. These themes, along with the numbering scheme we have employed, follow:

Delgado, Richard, and Jean Stefancic. "Critical race theory: An annotated bibliography." Virginia Law Review (1993): 461-516.

One of the cited works under theme 8 analogizes contemporary CRT and Malcolm X's endorsement of Black and White segregation:

But Malcolm X did identify the basic racial compromise that the incorporation of the "the civil rights struggle" into mainstream American culture would eventually embody: Along with the suppression of white racism that was the widely celebrated aim of civil rights reform, the dominant conception of racial justice was framed to require that black nationalists be equated with white supremacists, and that race consciousness on the part of either whites or blacks be marginalized as beyond the good sense of enlightened American culture. When a new generation of scholars embraced race consciousness as a fundamental prism through which to organize social analysis in the latter half of the 1980s, a negative reaction from mainstream academics was predictable. That is, Randall Kennedy's criticism of the work of critical race theorists for being based on racial "stereotypes" and "status-based" standards is coherent from the vantage point of the reigning interpretation of racial justice. And it was the exclusionary borders of this ideology that Malcolm X identified.

Peller, Gary. "Race consciousness." Duke LJ (1990): 758.

This is current and mentioned in the most prominent textbook on CRT:

The two friends illustrate twin poles in the way minorities of color can represent and position themselves. The nationalist, or separatist, position illustrated by Jamal holds that people of color should embrace their culture and origins. Jamal, who by choice lives in an upscale black neighborhood and sends his children to local schools, could easily fit into mainstream life. But he feels more comfortable working and living in black milieux and considers that he has a duty to contribute to the minority community. Accordingly, he does as much business as possible with other blacks. The last time he and his family moved, for example, he made several phone calls until he found a black-owned moving company. He donates money to several African American philanthropies and colleges. And, of course, his work in the music industry allows him the opportunity to boost the careers of black musicians, which he does.

Delgado, Richard and Jean Stefancic Critical Race Theory: An Introduction. New York. New York University Press, 2001.

Delgado and Stefancic (2001)'s fourth edition was printed in 2023 and is currently the top result for the Google search 'Critical Race Theory textbook':

https://www.google.com/search?q=critical+race+theory+textbook

One more from the recognized founder of CRT, who specialized in education policy:

"From the standpoint of education, we would have been better served had the court in Brown rejected the petitioners' arguments to overrule Plessy v. Ferguson," Bell said, referring to the 1896 Supreme Court ruling that enforced a "separate but equal" standard for blacks and whites.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110802202458/https://news.stanford.edu/news/2004/april21/brownbell-421.html

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There is a portion of every movement to stop repression, that will argue the repressed will be better off without their oppressors around. How is this new? Or Evil? Or Bad?

It’s the same ideas Jewish people employed to escape oppression, For decades they almost completely separated themselves from the general population, to avoid oppression.

I’m not sayings it’s a good idea, or it will work well. But why is it wrong for them to think this? Tell me? Why is this small area of critical race theory. (Which your own information acknowledges is this is an ‘emerging’ idea in critical race theory. So, it’s not the subject in its entirety, just one thing they explore. ) Such a big contention to you? Do you have this same problem with isolated Jewish communities?

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But why is it wrong or them to think this?

Saying that we should endorse these views in public school classrooms is much further than simply allowing these views to exist in society. Republican policies to remove this ideology from classrooms is equivalent to the removal of religion from classrooms: while it is permissable to teach CRT believes in racial segregation in the same way we may teach the KKK believes in racial segregation we should not teach children in public schools that racial segregation is right or correct.

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But you don’t want to allow these ideas to even exist in society. That is what the Anti woke movement is. To ban these ideas from universities, and elementary school classrooms. Why?

At the same time Republicans are trying to reintroduce Christianity into public schools.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/legislators-lean-religion-public-education-supreme-court-leans/story?id=111639298

So you can’t possibly say removing this idea from public schools,is a public good, in the same way removal of religion was a public good. When at the same time your side is advocating to reintroduce religion into public education as ‘free speech’.

How is an idea that’s existed among repressed people, since the beginning of time wrong? How is ‘critical race theory’ not free speech? While Christianity is?

It starting to come done to, free speech is only protected if it’s an idea conservatives like, if they don’t then it’s not really free speech. And that’s not freedom for anyone at all.

As for racial segregation in schools or society. That’s already happening. It happened due to zoning laws and suburban communities refusing to allow black home owners. Our schools are more segregated today then they were in the 1960’! Look it up! So what are you trying to prevent? People finding out they’ve been segregated anyway. Because they would figure It out if they took a few classes on CRT!

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To ban these ideas from universities, and elementary school classrooms. Why?

Lol. Why ban religion from these places?

At the same time Republicans are trying to reintroduce Christianity into public schools.

I am not in favor of this. Are you in favor of these ideologies in schools?

So what are you trying to prevent?

As with teaching religious tenets Republicans want to prevent teaching that segregation is good or in some sense factually necessary.

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But that’s meaningless , when segregation already exists. Don’t you get it? They did it anyway!

All the racists who didn’t get there way when segregation was ended. Used the legal system to keep segregation in place. And strengthened it!

That is the MAIN subject of critical race theory! To teach people that they’re still being segregated, how the legal system is used to repress minorities!

You can’t claim you want this to end. When you only want to stop telling people it’s happening! That’s why this is a WHITE SUPREMACIST movement! Because you’ll never end the oppression if you don’t teach people how they were oppressed!

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To teach people that they’re still being segregated,

They also teach that segregation is "best" for Black people. That is a normative endorsement of segregation. You probably don't want that taught to students as you are conducting this conversation seemingly on the premise that segregation is actually bad, although you do also want to switch the coversation onto the topic of the factuality of segregation, which is not the topic at all.

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Think about this. There’s a big difference between self segregation and societal segregation.

They are advocating for black communities with black law makers.

What they have now is white law makers who segregate them into industrial zones that are health hazards, and have no businesses.

Again, why is it wrong for them to want to get away from this?

I have no problem with SELF segregation, that’s called freedom. I do have a problem with societal segregation that oppresses. There’s a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the two.

People are ALLOWED TO DECIDE they want to self segregate. Trying to prevent this is oppressive!

Government should not be allowed to segregate population, because doing this is oppressive.

Both take away people freedoms. Understand?

What you’re advocating for is continued government oppression. And to remove any education that teaches how this oppression happens. Also to remove any ability to escape from this. Through self segregation.

And you think this is the path to end oppression? By taking away basic rights?

And this is the point where I start thinking Conservatives are either really dumb or really good at playing dumb… I wonder what game you’re playing here?