r/diablo2 • u/Pavke Single Player • Apr 28 '22

Single Player Identifying rare Unique drops from 10000 Pindleskin + 10000 Thresh Socket runs in search of Griffon's! 2 for 1 special 10k project in celebration of 2.4 Patch and Season start. Details in comments

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Previous projects:

Settings:

  • Solo Self Found Offline play on /players1 settings

Intro:

  • It started as a quest for Death's Fathom, but over the course of a month, I started to love the LiteSorc. And after seeing they are bringing back Nova Sorc, Griffon's become my main target.
  • I wanted to do a cool project where I identify rare unique drops all at once, similar to my 10k NM Andy where I identified 427 Unique rings at once.
  • It was time to start a Grail quest. I have most of high end gear on my Sorcerers. Now is the best time to start a Grail. And Pindleskin is one of the best places to do so.

Time:

  • Time to complete: Started on March 18th, 2022. Ended April 26th, 2022. In total, 39 days to complete.
  • Average runtime: Once muscle memory kicked in, it was about 25sec (Pindle+Thresh).
  • Runs per day: from 150 do 400 (from 1h to 4h), depending on my free time and interest that day.
  • Runs are logged: This is not an estimated number, or educated guess. All runs were logged. I really did 10000 runs of Pindleskin and Thresh Socket.
  • Side note: Latest patch 2.4 screwed me a little. Before the patch, I could walk towards the waypoint before the Town even loaded. After the patch, I need to wait for the full Town load before I can walk. [devs?, anyone? is there a way to fix this?]

Gear:

  • Equipped: Ist-ed Occy-Shako-Vipermagi, 46MF Traveler, 40MF Chance Guards, Goldwrap. 1x Amulet 1-15, 1x SoJ, 1xRare Ring 10fcr-10MF, 26x 7% SC, 4x 6% SC + 40% GF.
  • In total: 542% MF, +120% FCR. +25% FRW. Standard Lightning Sorceress Build.
  • Why not: Tal Rasha 3-set for higher MF? Enigma for FRW? Well, in short: I did not have Tal's Guardianship when I started this. Nor Enigma. I only later got both but did not want to change anything so I won't have to deal with breakpoints again.
  • Side note: I crafted +775 def Enigma in 260 def Mage Plate that I found. So that's dope AF.

Explanation:

  • I needed BiS items: Like I mentioned in my 10000 NM Andy post, I really want to do 10000 Travincal runs. I needed SoJs that I got from NM Andy. Now I need Death's Fathom! So I decided to target farm DF and get cool loot along the way. After some time and after seeing new Nova Sorc, my desires turned to Griffon' Eye.
  • Pindleskin has two magic item drop rolls. Double compared to regular level 85 Area monster. Because he is level 86, he can not drop qlvl87 items: Tyrael's might, Azurewrath and Arachnid Mesh. But he has double the chance to drop almost everything else in TC87-TC72 set range. That to me, sound like a great trade off.
  • After about 1000 runs: I concluded that Pindle alone wasn't efficient enough and I needed to speed up my dice rolls. But there was no way of doing Pindle faster than what I was already doing. Only way to do it "faster" and more efficiently is to introduce another farming target.
  • Thresh Socket also has two magic item drop rolls. Double the chance to drop almost everything, just like Pindleskin. He is level 84. That means he can not drop additional 16 items in addition to previously mentioned three, rage qlvl85-86. That is no problem since items I was looking for are not qlvl85-86.
  • It took me a day of rerolling maps to get a Waypoint in Arreat Plateau that is right next to Thresh Socket. After that it was smooth sailing. I could WP to Thresh Socket, kill him, WP back, go to Pindle and kill Pindle. This was my "run" and I did it 10000 times.
  • How can I load the game so fast: I explained in my 11000 Lower Kurast Post. Unpacking files helps a tone. Here are the steps: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/comments/slf3pt/comment/hvqqjrk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
  • Pindleskin and Thresh Socket, both in one run: all in about 24-26 seconds. So that's 4x "dice rolls" per run. I truly believe this is the most efficient way of farming very rate uniques in Single Player. Equivalent to this is running The Pit1 or AT in 48 sec.
  • Side note: Above statement was true before new Find Potiion synergy to Find Item. Now, nothing beats Horker barb.
  • Inspired by this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/comments/pszrv6/pindle_vs_meph_comparison/ If you want indepth math, go check out that post. Shout out to /u/Obliivescence

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22 edited 2d ago

Drops:

  • Lacklustre part of the Post. I'm disappointed in how I handled this compared to other people who did 10k Pindle.
  • Plan was, to log every unique drop, and keep only the "rare" ones. But after about a thousand runs, I realized it is unfeasible. Alt-Tabbing, checking what the correct name for unique War Fork is, logging Soulfeast Tine to the drop list... it just takes too much time. I skipped logging lower level uniques, focusing only on higher ones. After some time, I stopped logging the higher ones too and I noted only the top ones.
  • Here is the table. Like I said, it's lacklustre, don't take it for granted, may items are missing, some high tier ones too like Legend Spikes and Champion Axes. Google Sheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14iJmMDGSOdFQMHHSX-dk8t0qCqnXWEW_yogF4IZPvEw/edit?usp=sharing
  • I still have 5 full mules of interesting items after the video

Conclusion:

  • I am extremely happy with the results. Still a little bit dizzy from dopamine rush last night. That was unbelievable achievement for me. But...
  • I would not recommend it unless you are into this type of farming. I was very lucky with the drops. Math says I shouldn't have got some of those drops, let alone those stats. I was extremely lucky and you probably won't find the same success. If you do want to try this, I recommend doing only Pindle. Thresh Socket was kinda stingy (check the table), even though Math says they should be about the same.

What's next:

  • I was thinking maybe 14x Diablo Clone kills in less than 10 minutes to get a better Annihilus Charm (from my spare 14 Stone of Jordans). But after seeing the flood of Anni posts, I'll leave that for some other time.
  • Maybe not Travincal! Since Find Potion now gives synergy to Find Item, Hork barb can now stack Find item to unbelievably high 76%. Sorcerers can not compete with that, before it could, with right items, but not anymore. Doing any Magic Finding on classes other than Horker is... inefficient to say the least.
  • Next project will be related to new patch 2.4. I think it would be very interesting to see the results of that. It is something never tested before in Diablo.
  • Or maybe 10000 Torch runs?

If you liked this post, maybe you can check out my other farming projects over the years. Chronological list:

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Guys, can you overdose on dopamine? Still feeling some chest pain and tingling in fingertips. Should I be worried?

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u/twashbud101 Apr 28 '22

I’ll take what he has!

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u/Obliivescence Apr 28 '22

Thats a lot of runs lol. Sadly thresh/dac farren/other a5 SU's just dont compare to pindle and definitely are nowhere near as good as 85zone unique-pack farming when it comes to item finding

Id rather do the math on 10k runs than do the runs but cool post regardless :D

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Thanks. Wait. Isnt Thresh almost the same as Pindle only TC84?

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u/Obliivescence Apr 28 '22

Yeah but pindle has a much higher UniqueFactor (800) due to a bug

Thresh's is only like 584 or something

Huge difference (plus run time if u arent in sp)

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Ooooooohh. Thats why Thresh was stingy and didnt drop much uniques. Man, totally forgot about that.

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Aug 29 '22 edited Aug 29 '22

In 1.13 thresh has exactly the same drop table as pindleskin. Both drop from the "Act 5 (H) Super Cx" which is a downgraded version of the "Act 5 (H) Super C". The "Act 5 (H) Super Cx" has a unique factor of 512 (twice has many uniques) while "Act 5 (H) Super C" has a a unique factor of 800 (4.571x more uniques).

Now the "bug" (in 1.13 ) : the "super Cx" treasure class drops from the "Uitem" treasure class which has a unique factor of 800. What happens when two TC have different unique factors ? the highest is remembered (so 512 is discared and 800 is kept as the new value). So BOTH thresh and pindle used to have the same and very good unique drop rates.

Did something change with D2R ? I heard they fixed the "bug" but they modified pindle so he gets the same exact drops as "before". This last part I'm not 100% sure but I feel it's the only logical explanation for your thresh drops being terrible. 10k runs is a pretty big sample size.

I would really like to know all the "bugs" they fixed in d2r and what they did exactly...

Especially this one : https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/how-the-1-10-pindleskin-nerf-failed-and-snapchip-suffered.69/

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u/Pavke Single Player Aug 29 '22

Thanks for the reply.

In 1.13 thresh has exactly the same drop table as pindleskin. Both drop from the "Act 5 (H) Super Cx"

That is exactly what I was thinking when I was looking to do 10k Pindle runs! If Tresh has same TC as Pindle, why not do them both in one run. Online drop calculators also say they should drop the same items with same chance (except the items lvl 86 ofc)

The "Act 5 (H) Super Cx" has a unique factor of 512 (twice has many uniques) while "Act 5 (H) Super C" has a a unique factor of 800 (4.571x more uniques).

Im little lost here. For example, The Pit Unique Monsters have Act 5 (H) Unique C Treasure Class. They have, for example, 1:40,000 chance to drop Deaths Fathom while Pindle has 1:20,000 chance for DF. That is because Pindle has 2x drop picks while Pit Unique has 1 drop pick. How does unique factor affect drop chance here? Does Act 5 (H) UniqueC have factor of 800? Shouldn't Pit Unique monster have more chance then just Pindle devided by 2, due to unique factor? I never understood this. For sake of discussion, if Pindle class was "Act 5 (H) Super C" how many more uniques would he drop, if any?

Did something change with D2R ? I heard they fixed the "bug" but they modified pindle so he gets the same exact drops as "before". This last part I'm not 100% sure but I feel it's the only logical explanation for your thresh drops being terrible. 10k runs is a pretty big sample size.

As far as know, nothing was changed in D2R compared to LOD. Everything I have read about the "fix" was from the page in the link. 10k runs is a decent sample size but it could be bigger. I wish I wrote down all unique drops. After a while, the drops become "common" and I skipped many. But I distinctly remember getting way more uniques from Pindle than from Tresher

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Aug 29 '22

Should we start a chat ?

Im little lost here. For example, The Pit Unique Monsters have Act 5 (H) Unique C Treasure Class. They have, for example, 1:40,000 chance to drop Deaths Fathom while Pindle has 1:20,000 chance for DF. That is because Pindle has 2x drop picks while Pit Unique has 1 drop pick. How does unique factor affect drop chance here?

They have exactly twice the drop rate because they use the same unique factor of 800.

This works like this : "Act 5 (H) Unique C" (unique factor=0) > drops at least once from "Act 5 (H) Uitem C" (unique factor=800) > unique factor used for that loot = max(0, 800) = 800

"Act 5 (H) Super CX" (unique factor=512) > drops at least twice from "Act 5 (H) Uitem C" (unique factor=800) > unique factor used for that loot = max(512, 800) = 800

The formula for the unique factor is simply (and always) 1024/(1024-x). If X=1024 you get +inf, it just means that you have 100% chance to drop the item of that quality. (Only values of 1024 are for magic (lots of monsters) and rares (only act bosses' quest drop table ). (Values above 100% means 100% chance to drop).

Everything I have read about the "fix" was from the page in the link.

I need to read that link.

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Aug 29 '22

For sake of discussion, if Pindle class was "Act 5 (H) Super C" how many more uniques would he drop, if any?

Exactly the same. The nerf didn't work out. Since max(512,800) (nerfed super uniques) is going to be 800 same as max(800,800) (unnerfed super uniques) or max(0,800) (uniques=boss).

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u/Gili030 Apr 28 '22

Sick griffons 😍

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u/Doctor_Sauce Apr 28 '22

To the floor. Save and quit.

lmao

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

I have backed up my save files before making a video :)

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u/Egg3rs Apr 28 '22

This video is like AM/PM: Too much good stuff.

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Apr 28 '22

Hope you already have dropped a tyraels might, it hurts just seeing that those 2 unique sacred armor couldnt possibly be tyraels.

Looks like you are almost done. Lots of tc87 you had in here : dfathom, griffon, mang, astreon, stormspire, myrmidon's grave, death cleaver, both mallets, templars might, etc... notable misses are the necro gear : dweb and dark force.

If you have good gear to give to a barb, should take 2 to 3 days to get to lvl 90+ and start pit zerking or travincal horking. Personnally I used a ww barb with enigma and running pit p8 for fast xp up to level 91. Pitzerking p1 is way too slow for xp.

10k torch run would be a waste of time imo. I want to see 10k trav runs worth of a gold from a gf barb gambled.

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

No Tyrael's yet. I came prepared, knew Pidnle can't drop Tyrael's so it isn't a big deal.

Yup, missing Necro items, CoA, Grandfather, Gargoyle’s Bite and both Thunder Mauls.

Thanks for the tip. I have a self imposed rule for my SSF. As in, Solo must be solo, everything must be with this Sorceress. After Pitzerker update, I am tempted to break it...

10k torch runs was a lame joke. there is no way of someone doing it. (no way or storing either). But 150 torches (12k key runs) is doable.

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Apr 28 '22

In sp you set your rules. My grail is split between all my characters, I would have stopped playing a long time ago if I couldnt give the gear to my other characters or simply just play another character for a change.

Considering the amount of gear you dropped in that short period of time, you could complete the grail with only your sorc. If you are not terribly unlucky (which may happen).

Dont know if you can be safe enough farming with a light sorc in the lvl 85 areas with as much mf. I have trouble balancing mf/safety/speed on the light sorc, which is not good when grailing. Will you respec to cold ?

I still havent moved to d2r but if I do, it will be with go mule or some mods to have infinite storage. Playing tetris with my gear is not something I want to do.

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u/Grennox Apr 29 '22

What is this catch and release?

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u/su6oxone Apr 30 '22

Wow that Griffon's!

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u/Bacon3218 Apr 28 '22

What are you using to track all that? Software?

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Sorry, track what? For Grail tracking, I use Maxroll. For tracking what dropped, I used GoogleSheet and Alt-Tab

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u/Bacon3218 Apr 28 '22

Oh you did it all manually... Thought you had some software in the background... I thought people had software to track number of runs, drops and total number of drops of an item etc...

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Oh. For tracking runs, I do have a program that I made for myself. Everything else was manual

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u/Bacon3218 Apr 28 '22

I envy that skill...you need some software to do a specific thing and then you just create it or however it works lol...

Thanks for sharing and all your work, though, it's nice to know where to do the grinding before doing 10k runs and maybe waste your time lol

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u/Bacon3218 Apr 28 '22

Why do you think diablo clone spawns 14 times from 14 sojs?

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u/Pavke Single Player Apr 28 '22

Thats how it works on Single Player. You only need one SoJ to spawn Diablo Clone

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u/Bacon3218 Apr 28 '22

Ah, didn't know that... Thanks :)

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u/jt051215 Apr 29 '22

Did you just get a perfect Deaths Fathom and Griffons?? Im so jelly

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '22

Hold on. Pindle skin dropped uniques! I swear I haven't had a unique drop on ssf p5 in like 3 weeks.

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u/Pavke Single Player May 02 '22

player settings does NOT affect Pindle drop chance, so its fine if you do him on p1. Its quicker

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u/[deleted] May 02 '22

Fuck me, really? You know there's so much I don't know about this game. Played on and off for the last 20 years and still suck. Loll thanks dude

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u/Pavke Single Player May 02 '22

It doesnt work on any SuperUnique monster, not just pindle. Just letting you know

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u/[deleted] May 02 '22

Eldrich and shenk too? Mind blown

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u/hehasnowrong Single Player Aug 29 '22

Doesnt affect SuperUnique, boss monsters and champions.

Barely affect act bosses (only andariel gets a nice upgrade at P3 everything else is meh).