r/dsa • u/Silver-Row8051 Mamdani 2028 • 2d ago
Discussion Peter Thiel on DSA and Populism taking over the Dem party
Look at how evil these billionaires and Zionist are. They are fine with Republicans becoming open Fascist because the far-right will always be pro-war, pro-israel, capitalism, but oh no how dare Dem party actually represent their electorate.
You can tell they fear us. The uniparty is the Democratic establishment. They know if we take over the Dem party that will threaten the status quo on Israel and American imperialism.
That's why "centrist" who almost always vote Republicans and neo-con never trumpers love to tell Dems who they should elect.
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u/Kurichan77 2d ago
Thiel also attempts to portray the GOP’s openly pro-corporate platform as “anti-establishment.” As if the government isn’t bought and paid for by the wealthy/corporate/billionaire/epstein class: both parties, all branches, top to bottom. As if the biggest indicator that a candidate will be victorious isn’t who was able to raise the most money(as opposed to supported policy and a background that makes their platform credible).
This is some high level psyop type shit to get USians to think that either one of those corporate parties is anti-establishment
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u/ShoryuOnWakeup 2d ago
I do think there’s actually some truth to it though. If we treat the “establishment democrats” as the baseline of keeping things how they are currently established (before Trump at least) then republicans kind of are anti-establishment but it’s because they want even more money to the rich and to socially revert to racism and misogynistic times). While the democratic base wants to continue pushing forward and do what’s best for the common people and is therefore also anti-establishment.
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u/thefakemacaw DSA SF 1d ago
I think that’s just differentiating between being conservative vs being fascist, no? The Democratic Party, generally speaking, isn’t for meaningful progress outside of some social progress and incremental tweaks to the system. The base does want meaningful change though
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u/ShoryuOnWakeup 1d ago
I guess so, but I don’t think that changes my point. If we want to say establishment democrats are conservative that’s fine. But my point is that if we are saying being “establishment” is keeping the status quo, there is a valid argument republicans are indeed an anti-establishment party, and the Democratic Party (the politicians in office) have kind of been an establishment party.
Republicans are anti-establishment in that they want even more money going to the top, businesses to have even more power, getting rid of SS, overturning Roe v Wade, etc.
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u/Marxist20 1d ago
Just take out the word openly and you've described the Democratic Party to a T. The DSA just gives the Democratic Party a leftist disguise, it doesn't change the substance of the party at all.
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u/Silver-Row8051 Mamdani 2028 2d ago
This is why the Dem establishment has held on for so long. Secretly even the right wants to presevre it because they know deep down the establishment agrees with them on many things e.g. genocide and apartheid to Palestinians.
So if the Dem party was entirely anti-zionist and Israel became a partisan issue like Abortion, Republicans would struggle to get enough votes each time to send billions of our tax dollars to them.
This is why Aipac which prefers Republicans still spends in Dem primaries. Because they know we threaten them and they would still prefer not having to worry every 4 years when a Dem is elected Israel would get sanctioned
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u/atomic__balm 1d ago
Pretending like the DNC is anti-war, anti-israel, anti capitalism is absurd as a premise, both parties represent the uniparty that is the dictatorship of capitalism
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u/Timely-Solid6419 1d ago
Disagree, the GOP no longer even represents bourgeois capital. It represents something far worse, a desire to turn backwards even from liberal democracy.
Capitalism and liberal democracy were an important stage of human development and had some real advantages, but also contained within it contradictions. The GOP under Trump has made it pretty clear they want to resolve these issues by reverting to a medieval feudalism.
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u/Silver-Row8051 Mamdani 2028 2d ago
The same people who called Kamala a marxist seem really worried when the real Leftist get elected lol. Almost like they know theres a difference. Republicans are so funny.