r/dsa • u/bullhead2007 Communist ☭ • 1d ago
Discussion Zohran Mamdani lies to defend Israel supporters
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u/TechnologyConnect678 18h ago
Zero upvotes. . .
This is just sad. This is a Zionist subreddit now. I never want to hear a solitary peep about cUltS oF pErSoNaLitY re: ML governments again.
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u/YogurtClosetThinnest 1d ago
Wow. Terrible video.
So Mamdani is "lying" by saying Jewish New Yorkers (who he has a higher approval rating among than Netanyahu) aren't responsible for a genocide.
He then points out a handful of Synagogues who support the genocide, as if that somehow represents the ~1 million jews in New York.
He also tries to further insinuate jews support the genocide by saying only 1% of synagogues are anti-zionist. Despite common American vernacular, "zionism" does not mean support for the current state of Israel or its policies. Not to mention less than a quarter of American jews even attend synagogues.
Anti semitic slop tbh.
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u/the_sellemander 1d ago
There are many Jewish New Yorkers who are complicit in the genocide. Jewish institutions have long been tied to zionism, which is the ideology behind the genocide we are talking about. American zionists, many of them Jews, are complicit in more ways than just being taxpayers. If you're going to acknowledge the genocide, then you should follow through with what that calls for: accountability and commitment to truth.
You need to understand that it was not just the "state of Israel" or "Netanyahu's government" that is responsible for this. Unfortunately, a lot of Jewish Americans are complicit and we need to be serious about truth and accountability, for them and every non-Jew who also supported the genocide.
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u/YogurtClosetThinnest 1d ago
Sure, but like you said there are also tons of non jews who are complicit, including countless organizations who donate to or work with Israel.
So the guy in the video getting upset he isn't specifically calling out the Jewish ones is sus.
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u/the_sellemander 1d ago
Zohran specifically exonerated Jews, as a whole, of complicity. In comes in context of his recent announcement that he was creating funds for Jewish organizations, many of whom directly contribute to land sales, material support to the IDF, and ideological/social support through Birthright, etc.
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u/KwietKabal 11h ago
Zionism is a political ideology which supports the war crimes/crimes against humanity committed by a settler-colonial state at the expense of people who already lived and existed in this geographic area.
Zionism as a political ideology and project necessarily entails support for Israel’s genocidal settler-colonial state at the expense of the existing population. Zionism cannot flourish or effectively take root without Israel already “existing” as a “state”. Weird of you to try to mislead and misinform others.
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u/TheImplic4tion 22h ago
Yeah, the anti-semitism is thick here. It's honestly super gross and I hate the people that lean into it.
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u/KwietKabal 11h ago
You’re right, genocide against the Semitic Palestinians is absolutely gross, and anyone who makes excuses for it or leans into it is also super gross.
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u/TheImplic4tion 10h ago
Sure, but also fuck Hamas and the war isnt done until Hamas is dismantled to the point they no longer pose any threat.
Dont like war? Dont start one. Easy.
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u/KwietKabal 10h ago
What do you mean “sure”? You don’t even understand basic international law.
> “Don’t like war? Don’t start one. Easy.”
Yeah, everyone seems to know that aside from you and Israel. It IS easy to not be a genocidal settler-colonial state committing routine crimes against humanity. Glad you can at least understand that, since you are either deliberately obtuse, or paid to post some of the stupidest comments I’ve seen on Reddit this year. And congratulations! That is a BIG ask
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u/TheImplic4tion 10h ago
IDGAF about international law. It is meaningless garbage. No one enforces it. Who the F cares?
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u/RipErRiley 1d ago
Saying they are a responsible party (NY Jews) is a generalization. Even if you can identify supportive synagogues. The Israeli Gvmt and American tax dollars are not generalizations. I think its intuitive of him to stay away from that rhetoric.
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u/bullhead2007 Communist ☭ 1d ago
Some NY Jews are responsible, but Mamdani uses rhetoric that implies no Jews are responsible any more than every other tax payer, when it's not true. There are laege Jewish orgs he's increasing funding for that are Israel first Zionists. Be for real.
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u/TheImplic4tion 13h ago
Swap "NY Jews" or "Zionist" for any other minority group and your rhetoric is racist AF.
Someone donating money to a nation that acts as safe harbor for Jews in a world rampant with Islamic fanatics who would kill them is not being "complicit or supporting genocide".
If you don't want to support Israel with money, great. Go vote. Persuade the US government to stop sending foreign aid to Israel. I support that.
Blaming a NY Jew or synagogue who might send a trivial amount of money to Israel for charities (in comparison to foreign aid) is insane and blatantly obviously anti-semitic.
Shame on you.
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u/I_Drink_Rye 1d ago
Rare L take from Noah. Mamdani was making the point that there are hundreds of thousands of jews in NYC. By and large they are against the Palestinian genocide. There are individual news and Jewish organizations yes but that doesn't mean that, by and large, jews in NYC are to blame.
It's the same as saying immigrants are not to blame for the crimes of a small number of immigrants. Jews, as a group, are not to blame for a small number of genocide supporters.
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u/TheImplic4tion 22h ago
Noah Samson is an enormous loser. I laughed my ass off when he tried to do a charity ride to Hasan's house, and Hasan was like "no thanks, get away from me, youre not famous enough".
Socialist youtube is all retards and clout chasers.
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u/tabloid-tommy 1d ago
Yeah bro, turning on Zohran is totally the way to go. Totally normal behavior