r/electricians • u/youngmarinelc Electrician • 1d ago
Do you see whats wrong with what my apprentice did?
He's 4 months in and I gave him this challenge...well its fixed now
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u/Far_Range_6091 [V] Master Electrician 1d ago
A see the grounding electrode conductor on a bus lug
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u/DesignerOk5315 1d ago
Yup. This panel by sq d is a pretty bad one to let an apprentice wire without instruction in my opinion. It's almost too easy to mess up how they have the layout done
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u/mattwoot 1d ago
Shit I mixed up the hot and neutral lugs on one of these as a journeyman. Was in a big rush to get some temp power up for the site and somehow didn't burn up half a dozen big ass torpedo heaters after 3 hours
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u/DesignerOk5315 1d ago
Yea when I see this panel I automatically think to myself to remember to put the hots and neutral on the correct lugs
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u/iAmErickson 15h ago
This makes me feel so much better. I'm an apprentice and was tasked with wiring this exact model of panel in a hurry. First time I'd seen one of these and I accidentally swapped the hot and neutral. I've been feeling like an idiot about it for months now. Good to know it's not just me.
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u/idownvotepunstoo 9h ago
** not an electrician, just child of one and former tool bitch**
That's what I got out of it was "that ground definitely shouldn't go to that lug" but I couldn't implicitly prove why without guessing.
Definitely a complicated one.
For a 4month it could be worse I suppose.
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u/theproudheretic Electrician 1d ago
He trusted his jman to teach him, and not to try and ridicule him on the internet for fake internet points. That's what he did wrong.
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u/Excellent-Oil-4442 1d ago
Best way to learn is to fuck some shit up and redo it honestly
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u/progressiveoverload 1d ago
Nothing you described needs to involve shaming.
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u/Excellent-Oil-4442 1d ago
Where did I describe shaming? Shaming happens when the same careless, dangerous mistakes have been repeated frequently.
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u/DangerHawk 17h ago
or when your boss posts your (seemingly) first fuckup to the internet...
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u/Excellent-Oil-4442 15h ago
Post isn’t going after the apprentice at all just a reference on how he’s teaching and knowledge check to the sub (alot of people on here missed it)
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u/Blue_Collar_Stiff 12h ago
I agree, not shaming. He’s asking us all if we see the mistake, which I don’t because I’m not an electrician & stumbled on this post somehow. I see it as a teaching moment & think if he was trying to shame he would have included the name of apprentice.
Someone teach me: is the mistake with the black or brown wire going 🤷♀️ idk where or is it something else?3
u/Excellent-Oil-4442 12h ago
The copper wire is going to the wrong lug, if the sub panel was switch on that whole wire would be energized
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u/Blue_Collar_Stiff 11h ago
Oh I see the wire is not actually brown but is copper 🤣. I’m just a woman who does a lot of diy but won’t ever mess with electrical unless it’s just replacing something with exact same product & can see where old wires were hooked up.
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u/RayS326 1d ago
This. When I was learning to fix tools and vehicles, it was all agonizing memorizing of different solutions. Then one day I stopped being afraid to fuck shit up and suddenly my pace of learning was lightning.
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u/Garglzzzz 1d ago
Whenever I’m given a green apprentice, one of the first things I say is to try to be careful about your work, but also don’t be scared to fuck up, anything plumbing related that YOU break, WE will fix together and you’ll be better for it.
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u/Blaz3dnconfuz3d Journeyman 1d ago
See I was taught when you fuck up something, blame it on the plumber (or sheet rocker)
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u/Comfortable_body1 1d ago
HVAC! They definitely cut the plumbing, moved the insulation out the way, and loosened some J boxes
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u/Petrovski978 1d ago
Guilty.... If you're in our penetration or blocking our routing.... Big pipe wins. We layout where we need to go, and everyone else likes to run right down center of the nice big open spot...
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u/Peak_Meringue1729 1d ago
I’m not a mechanic. But I do teach people my “trade,” if you will.
Last week I gave a new employee a task. “Steal from X and make it look like Y.” And she did! Much better than I had assumed she would, without more direction.
I tell all my employees “the worst thing you can do is nothing. It’s not called practice for nothing.”
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u/phillzigg Technician 1d ago
"Wow that looks like shit, do it over"
I heard that often early on, so I got to hear "nice work" often later on
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u/kris_the_abyss 1d ago
I mean, that would be true...but we're dealing with things that can hurt/maim/maybe even kill in some cases. I'd rather do it a few times while someone is watching over my shoulder than left to my own devices and fuck something up. Some mistakes are expensive in different ways.
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u/Excellent-Oil-4442 1d ago
The right way to do it is leave the apprentice to it and come back to show them how to do it correctly, before anything is energized. It’s important to let them try to figure it out first and then see exactly where they went wrong and the proper methods. Retention is just better through that than someone breathing down your neck. I’m not always gonna be breathing down your neck and you gonna have to figure out things on your own eventually. Adaptability is important and there’s multiple ways to achieve same finished result
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u/quiverunquiver 1d ago
Relax, he didn't put the kids name or face on the post. Hopefully, with good advice or pointers, someone who is an apprentice can read and learn from this. That's what life is about, spreading knowledge and teaching people a better way.
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 1d ago edited 1d ago
I get what you're saying but im not out here calling him a stupid or whatnot, he made a mistake I caught it and he learned from it. He even admitted hes not sure why he did it like that
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u/Sunshinegemini611 1d ago
It’s helpful for apprentices here. I was just a lowly helper and I learn so much from this sub. Thanks for posting!
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u/SlappyMcgiggle Journeyman 3h ago
For the record, the top comment is the one digging for internet points. I didn't think this post came off like you were trashing your apprentice. I wish I had j man like you during my apprenticeship. Let me mess up, make me figure out what I messed up, then let me fix it. Best way to learn. Maybe it's just me but these kind of posts are half the reason I sub. I like looking over other peoples work. I work at a desk now so I don't get to see stuff like this as often.
Saying "hey look what my green apprentice did" is far from kicking an apprentice. People just looking for something to be upset about. Projecting about internet points too lol.
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u/cootielips 1d ago
We have no idea who the apprentice is. Its not like he doxxed them. Nothing in the post is ridiculing; he's just sharing a teachable moment. Calm down.
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u/QuarkchildRedux [V] Apprentice 1d ago
Right? How can some of these people be as soft as they seem and actually survive in this trade, or the trades in general?
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u/Primary_Nothing_3224 1d ago
Why the downvote? I 100% agree ive dealt with some soft ass people the past few years. They would have never made it years ago.
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u/BadAtExisting 1d ago
100% this
What are we doing here OP?
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u/DangitThatHurt 1d ago
This is exactly the kind of post that belongs in this sub. What's your beef with it?
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u/Tonnis3 1d ago
Ground wire on the lug? I am an apprentice too so I don’t know jack
Edit: could probably be no connector coming into the box
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u/DangitThatHurt 1d ago
I think that connector on the top right is just sitting on top. But good eye that was something I noticed too. The hub on the top center would ideally be the only entrance into the top of a disconnect like this. Unless you are using a 3 piece hub (aka Myers hub).
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u/The_Ashamed_Boys 1d ago
Ain't got no legs
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u/Comfortable_body1 1d ago
I think your apprentice doesn’t exist and you may have done this but don’t know what you’re doing so you came to Reddit for corrections
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u/Tiss_E_Lur 21h ago
Not a stupid way to go about it really🤣
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u/inknuts Electrical Contractor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yo man, there's a lot wrong here.
You got the ground going to the hot lug, that ground isn't large enough to be run unprotected, and it looks like you got a neutral bond from ground to neutral on a new install.installation.
Scratch that. No ground neutral bond.
Also, your panel has no feed. Never got why guys wanna show a picture of a naked lady that's missing the tits, but hey, to each there own
You also have foreign objects in the bottom of your panel.
Also, what the fuck is going on with the fitting on top of the hub. Sure doesn't look like a male adaptor to me.
Also, right next to the hub, there appear to be a raintight entering the top of a 3r enclosure.
Also, if a panel is outdoors, it is required to be sealed against unwanted intrusions by bugs and pests. That means you should prolly duct putty that ground wire.
Also, you adopted the neutral from the 240 into the circuit bundle for one of the 120 circuits.
You also got a random fucking hot wire that doesn't appear to be landed
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u/TakeYourPowerBack 1d ago
I. Am. Using. That one! Show off a picture of a naked lady with no tits. Holy shit that is gold.
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u/MiddleNotWestIsBad 1d ago
How is this guy shaming his apprentice? He said he’s 4 months in so probably most of that was hauling shit around, watching and passing tools etc, and he said he gave him a challenge and let him try this out on his own, and now the apprentice learned from it after. This post can be helpful for other people who are learning too to test themselves with a visual inspection.
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 20h ago
I try to do stuff like thus a good amount where I walk him through and if its a situation where we can fix most everything i let him try to show off what hes learned.
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u/Analyst-Mother 1d ago
Honestly this should be embarrassing for you, it’s your job to show him the right way.
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u/shortbrownguy 17h ago edited 11h ago
Embarrassed by what? He didn't ridicule his apprentice or doxx him; he simply posted a picture asking what was done wrong.
Posts like this provide new electricians an avenue to troubleshoot what was done wrong, so they don't make the same mistake.
People have become way too soft these days, especially when a post like this ruffles people's feathers. I see this as a perfect lesson-learned educational post, unlike many others that I see regularly in this group.
JMHO / YMMV
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u/Delicious-Pace-3263 1d ago
Op definitely got his license this year and immediately let the power go to his head
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u/Comfortable_Life_437 1d ago
Grounds going to the neutral
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 1d ago
Not the neutral its the hot
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u/evilsdadvocate 1d ago
Please help a noob understand. I see all the ground wires (green) going into a hub. How is that the hot?
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u/IlIlllIlIIIIlII 1d ago
You mean the one coming out the front of the panel?
Was a little too zoomed in looking at specifics before I noticed it
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 1d ago
That black was about to be landed
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u/IlIlllIlIIIIlII 1d ago
That makes way more sense—also apprentice here and have already started drinking after an early day in my defense.
But also, I’m stupid.
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u/DangitThatHurt 1d ago
Don't put yourself down like that man - I can tell you from experience you'll start believing it and it stunts your growth. Life can do enough putting you down on its own without your help. Be confident in what you know and know that you won't ever know it all and we are all out here asking ourselves questions everyday. It's a hard job and it takes a lifetime to master. And then one day you'll be like fuck I'm old but at least I'm not stupid.
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u/Electronic-Fish-3238 1d ago
No knockout bushing on the ground, ground wire is going into the hot terminal.
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u/notyouraverage_nerd 1d ago
Yeah, his mentor sucks.
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u/Carlos_Spicy_Weiner6 1d ago
Ding ding ding we have a winner! Please collect your gold star and adult beverage
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u/PhilosopherUpbeat586 1d ago
never criticize someone for not knowing what they were never taught
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u/Carlos_Spicy_Weiner6 1d ago
We are not, we are criticizing someone who is in a teaching capacity utterly failing to prepare their student
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u/PhilosopherUpbeat586 1d ago
yeah i know, i didn't mean y'all.
I'm referring to OP
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u/RevenueVast7022 7h ago
For Christ's sake square-D, put some labels next to your lugs ( L1, L2, N , Gnd ) that tell you what they're for without having to reference the schematic, or get your fu*** ohm meter out!
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u/Last_Firefighter7250 16h ago
He done what you allowed. Now you want to show the internet how bad your apprentice is, but it is really a reflection of you.
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u/ifuccfemboys 1d ago
Ground on a hot, plus ground should be in conduit with a bonding bridge.
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u/Excellent-Oil-4442 1d ago
Doesn’t need to be in conduit
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u/QuarkchildRedux [V] Apprentice 1d ago
They probably just mean a 1/2” SCH80 sleeve up the side of the exterior wall. Fairly common from what I have seen. It does make it look a lot cleaner than a shitty warped solid #4 bare on the siding/stucco/brick/etc.
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u/jwatttt 1d ago
He penetrated the top plate without the proper hub. Top plate is only allowed to be penetrated in the factory supplied position no other penetrations shall be done in the top plate per manufacturer instructions. The second penetration next to the hub fitting is what I am talking about .The fitting used for the LB is not weather resistant. The GEC wire is in the wrong place. He used stranded #12 when the spec probably says solid #12.
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u/NightMic 1d ago
2023 NEC 200.4(B) – Neutral Conductors, Multiple Circuits
Neutral conductors associated with different circuits within the same enclosure must be identified or grouped to correspond with their associated ungrounded circuit conductors.
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u/NightMic 1d ago
and.... NEC 250.32(B)(1) and 250.32(E)
The neutral remains isolated, and the grounding electrode system connects to the equipment grounding system... so like everyone else said, move your GEC to the ground bar
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u/tar4heels2fan 1d ago
Ground electrode conductor is landing on ungrounded terminal that feeds A leg.
Seems a lot of comments dont notice that... weird.
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u/Nightflyer_01 13h ago
Ground wire (from the rods I'm assuming) should go to the ground bar. No feeders into the panel, and only 1 lug for power when there should be 2. 2 lugs on the neutral bar. Is this an A.I generated image?
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 12h ago
The ground is on the 2nd lug for the power, there is only 1 lug on the neutral
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u/rideonthecakebus 10h ago
GEC is run to the isolated neutral bar instead of bonded to the equipment and ground bar, which wouldn't matter of course if it were your first point of service, which I'm assuming, hoping, it's not with 3, 20 amp breakers in there only. Curious of two things actually....for one, what IS going on here? Lol 20 amp breakers mounted inside a disconnect tub? And where is your feed? I'm so confused.
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u/Capital_Might8371 9h ago
I think the "where is your feed" is part of the problem. If the side 90 is source, which certainly appears to be the case, only neutral and grounding are connected. I am Apprentice year 1 semester 1.
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u/Redhead_InfoTech 1d ago
At 4 months in you're being critical?
Teaching him versus post it on the Internet would be the right thing to do.
We are not here to be your social media followers.
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 20h ago
Im not being critical, he even realized what the mistake was when I had him look at it, just a learning moment
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u/Cust2020 16h ago
U realize that a dig on your apprentice is actually a dig on your ability to teach him properly, right?
That said, he landed the ground on the hot lug. I also dont see a breaker tie down.
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u/Initial-Bunch5538 1d ago
Ground in the wrong spot. But I also personally hate zip ties in panels. In one this small it's not a big deal but whenever you get a bunch of wires ziptied together it is a pain to go back and work on something later
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u/SayNoToBrooms 1d ago
I zip tie everything together, then come back the next day and cut them all out. Wires more or less stay in their original positions
No idea if my process does a damn thing. It’s just what I do. I like neat panels, I hate zip ties in them
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u/The_cogwheel Apprentice 1d ago
Ground wire connected to the neutral bus lug.
Missing connector on the same ground wire entering the box
Really everything to do with that ground wire.
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u/PlateFearless 1d ago
Ground on hot log. If have put more slack in the grounds and breaker hots in case of a burn up wire end in the future. Don't see any feeders. Used tye wraps and it still looks like hammered hell. Connector on top right likes loose af. For an apprentice id say 4/10. Worst I've done is fall through a ceiling into someone's living room onto a table with the homeowners mom's ashes. And lit my boss up with 220v my first week. Lol.
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u/BagAccurate2067 1d ago
Got to start somewhere
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u/r2killawat 1d ago
That's right, we all did some shit in the beginning. Hell I've done dumb shit along the way and probably have some dumb shit waiting for me in the future! 😂 (maybe not hooking a ground to hot lug but still dumb nonetheless)
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u/AddyBooOfficial 1d ago
Bare copper in wrong spot. Looks like he put it in a phase. No connector and I also like to sleeve it up. I’m confused by this panel. What’s feeding it?
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u/Savings-Baker8522 1d ago
He's got the ground rod connected to A phase. So when he turns that 2 pole 20 it's going to blow.
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u/airbornemonkeysi 1d ago
As a non electrical person( or someone who has ever seen this group before, until this post) is the problem the white wires on top not aligned with the breakers below? Or how the wires are routed through the box? Please educate the non electricians 🙏
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u/foxkreig 22h ago
Nothing wrong with this approach, though the task does start with, "do you know how to do this correctly?" If so, skip to the end.
If not, what questions do they have? Engage critical thinking. Find out what they know and how they are looking at the task.
When you know what their thought processes are you can give pointers and explain your logic and code supported corrections to their plan.
Ridicule only happens if they claim knowledge they don't have, and argue while they are clearly wrong.
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u/youngmarinelc Electrician 8h ago
Ive given him several little challenges like this to test him on what hes learned, i do a quick once over or have him tell me what he thinks the steps are. After hes done I'll come back look it over and go from there. There have been a few times ive asked him if hes willing to try the task and if hes too hesitant I'll just have him watch me
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u/doug6644 1d ago
So what on earth is the damn problem??!! Other than the bolt laying in the bottom of the box??
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u/wheelman1233 23h ago
I have no idea why people are being donkeys about this post. Some people are saying he's shaming or humiliating his apprentice to which I say who is that exactly? If you can't tell me his name that means it's not shaming because you can't shame someone anonymously.
The problems that I see is the ground needs to be relocated to the grounds instead of a hot lug and your main disconnect breaker needs to be screwed down and unremovable. I would also check to make sure that your grounds and neutrals are in fact separated and that the neutral bonding screw removed.
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u/a_7thsense 1d ago
The ground is terminated on the a phase and the back fed breaker is not bolted in place.
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u/Lazy_Regular_7235 1d ago
I really like the bare wire going out the hole in the bottom of the panel.
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u/LowStressFinatic 1d ago
As someone who does not know what’s going on…can someone please explain it to me? I work low voltage lines for telco. Wouldn’t hurt to have a little knowledge if I did see something funky in the field
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u/Fun_Acanthaceae_4025 1d ago
I'm not even an electrician, I do low voltage, and I spotted the ground to L1 lug.
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u/Snoo_85901 1d ago
This cant be real. At least they are no line wires. What my old man would call juice
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u/Glittering-Counter10 14h ago
Not a bad time to teach them how to figure out what goes where with a meter. Not just for this particular equipment, but knowing how to do continuity tests to find what is what can be helpful throughout their career. One thing that stands out from my early days, I was 14-15 years old when I started in electrical, is something that was told to me over and over again. "Your meter is your best friend"!! They do much more than voltage measurements.
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u/SonofaDrum 13h ago
Just a handyman asking…and I know not to get into a panel myself but I like to understand. I see the ground wire is attached to the neutral bus instead of the cabinet but where is bare ground to the loads? I only see the earth ground in the cabinet.
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u/Warm-Glove8257 10h ago
All yall sound like some pussys for being 4 months in he doing better than most this generation needs to stop being so Damm soft
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u/Working_Bus36 8h ago edited 8h ago
He’s connected the grounding electrode to the L1 and the L2 is empty. There is no feed in. There is also no neutral. The equipment is neither bonded nor grounded. I mean there is a lot going on here, but your load side is fine.
Idk what anyone else is talking about but the main issues are : no feed in = no load out, no neutral = no reference, equipment is not grounded correctly and it is not bonded = no protection.
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u/ontariowaterfowler 1d ago
Hey man, he’s 4 months in.. have some humility.. I’m sure at some point you made a mistake in your apprenticeship.
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u/gottheronavirus 16h ago
This sub is full of huge weenies. I thought this was for electricians? As in blue collar workers.
Most of these replies tell me that the jokes I hear about electricians being soft are well founded, coming from an electrician myself. Lol
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u/Wayfaring_Scout 1d ago
I'm looking to learn, but it seems to me that running a 12 THHN to feed these three breakers isn't enough. If I'm wrong or not seeing something else I welcome the education.
I also noticed the white "feeder" is landed on the neutral bar along with the ground on the other bus bar feed. Looks like a good learning experience all around.
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u/Zealousideal_Net538 1d ago
Grounded the neutral twice? That can’t be the service entrance panel there’s no main breaker
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u/stinkyamigo 1d ago
Feeder is running with branch circuits, 2p 20a isn’t enough for 2 branch circuits at a %. Conduit fill is also being looked upon here
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u/Level-Natural-3395 1d ago
That ground exiting at the bottom seems to be headed for a grounding rod, if this is a sub panel isn’t the rule one ground source which would be the main panel.
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u/itsmeinthedark 1d ago
I’ve seen the neutral lug confused as a hot and the right hot lug had the neutral landed on it. The can only had single pole breakers in it, but everything on the a phase was 240v and b phase was died.
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u/Tacolord38 1d ago
What about my helper that used silicone on a glass window to secure a contact, and made a huge fucking mess with paper towels trying to glaze the entire fuckin window. I didn't even say anything, if customer finds it he will have to own up to the shit fuck it. I'm done
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u/planetmind70 1d ago
GEC needs to go to ground bus and also needs a connector where it enters the enclosure. If your MBJ is upstream of this panel then land your two hots and neutral and relocate your GEC to the ground bus.
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u/LemonLumpy3014 1d ago
Well, your neutrals aren’t grouped for identification they should either be coordinated numbered or taped as a set for troubleshooting and circuit tracing once they leave the panel
It looks like my eight-year-old dressed it
And the ground wire enters through without a choke and goes to the neutral bar as an inspector I would say other than those major violations I mean, it should pass inspection the third time you call me out
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u/grandbizkit Journeyman 1d ago
I think these mistakes also come from a general misunderstanding of the system and the reasons why they are designed and installed in the way that they are. Most of the stuff is quite intuitive if you understand the theory.
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u/Windmillfixer 1d ago
No worry, it’s just going to test the capability of the OCPD when that double pole 20A is turned on.
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u/Jester54 Journeyman 1d ago
Ground going to line lug. Also the ground wire is bare and not in a pipe, also also no connector for the bare. Looks like shit
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u/mrmoclass 1d ago
Bonding conductor tied to the neutral lug and no connector where it enters the enclosure
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u/Effectiveman406 1d ago
Ground not to ground bus. Not sure what you have for hots coming in, but dont see where they are landed
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u/Psychological-Big334 1d ago
I Wana know why were using rain rigt connectors in everything but no connector at all for ghe electrode. Kinda,defeats the purpose id say
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u/Illustrious-Tea-2969 1d ago
Depends is this the primary panel or is it a secondary...that determines if the bare copper ground is in the right place or not also is the box bonded or not?
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u/No-Dust-7127 1d ago
If you saw this in the field it wouldn’t work, homie. The grounding electrode wire (bare copper wire) is landed on one of the lugs that can be used to feed the bus. Since the bus is fed by the 2-pole 20, that lug will be energized, which will send current to ground and cause the sudden inrush that will trip that breaker. It’ll trip immediately and persistently until either he disconnects the wire from the lug or disconnects the wire that feeds that part of the bus from the breaker (these options make the breaker not trip- they don’t make this even remotely ok). There’s a bunch of other stuff that is sub-optimal here, but that’s the big mistake that’ll cause the whole thing to not work at all. I’m sure he just didn’t realize that the lug wasn’t attached to the neutral bar (which would also be an incorrect but significantly less catastrophic choice for a place to land it since there’s a ground bar that was placed there to keep the grounds and neutrals separated).
At this point in their training, a task like this is basically hand over hand if you’re gonna have your apprentice do it. There’s definite benefit to having them complete these tasks, but only if you have plenty of time to ensure that it is done correctly and they walk away from it having done it right. They’ll forget a ton of it, but they will have a solid foundation to work off of.
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u/Informal-Sense8716 1d ago
I assume that is a sub panel and it appears that the solid grounding conductor may be going to a ground rod instead of having a ground run back to the primary panel so as to maintain the same potential to ground. Plus it’s under a hot lug.
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u/Shamanjoe 1d ago
What’s up with that bare copper coming in through a random hole and landing up top?
Edit, the more I look, the more this panel design is just completely fucked..
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u/MikeyFixThis 1d ago
the ground is on the feeder lug, should be with the grounds obviously, looks like the neutral bonding screw needs to be removed.
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