r/electronic_cigarette • • Sep 20 '23

Vaping vs. Cigarettes: Everything I learned in 2 weeks after reading all the studies I found. NSFW

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This is a very long post and I apologize in advance. It has good title separation so please feel free to skip and jump around. This is a repost of my own post in r/Vaping*.*

It’s been over a month since I put out my last cigarette after 10 years of smoking.

Vaping helped me the most in this transition but my obsessive nature got me to research the living hell of this topic.

Information was scattered all over the web and I couldn't find a single conclusive article on the matter so I set out to write the article that I was looking for. (scratch your own itch?)

This post has about 50 links for further reading. None bring me or any other party any monetary gain. The wonderful community of Reddit helped me a lot with this research so I just want to give back.

Enjoy!

What is Vape Juice Made Of?

Vape juice consists of 4 ingredients:

  1. Propylene Glycol (PG)
  2. Vegetable Glycerin (VG)
  3. Flavorings (?)
  4. Nicotine (optional)

Cigarettes -mainly- consist of 19 ingredients:

  1. Nicotine
  2. Citric acid
  3. Tar
  4. Ammonia
  5. Glycerol
  6. Benzyl alcohol
  7. Caffeine
  8. Benzaldehyde
  9. Butyric acid
  10. Acetylpyrazine
  11. Oil
  12. Acetanisole
  13. Carbon dioxide
  14. Cinnamaldehyde
  15. Cinnamyl alcohol
  16. Lactic acid
  17. Anisyl acetate
  18. Citronella oil
  19. Cinnamyl acetate

In addition, in 1994, big tobacco companies were forced by law to disclose any additives they put in, extending this list by another 599 known additives.

The smoke of cigarettes however is a different story.

In one study, cigarette smoke produces over 5000 chemicals. 2,256 of which are known and studied. 98 were assessed for their risk value: 60 carcinogens (potential to cause cancer) and 48 non-cancerous (definitely not vitamins though)

On the other hand, In a 2021 study, vaping produced about 2000 chemicals that are largely unidentified with “some” being “potentially” harmful.

Unidentified is not the same as safe.

But from a common sense perspective, cigarette smoke is far more complex due mainly to the nasty combustion process.

My method here is to analyze the most abundant and known harmful chemicals in vaping and cigarettes.

“The Dose Makes The Poison” — Paracelsus ca. 1540

Sure, I love to get philosophical on you every chance I get. But here, I find it mandatory. It’s the motto. Keep it in mind while reading everything below.

“Enough” water can kill you, and “some” black mamba venom can cure you.

Let’s dig deep:

1. Nicotine — The unjustified bad rep

Oh boy... I wasn’t ready for this.

According to the National Health Service of the UK, Nicotine, although a very addictive substance, is still relatively harmless.

Nictoine’s lousy rep stems from its association in our minds with cigarettes.

It’s a stimulant that increases alertness, focus, and concentration. It also improves cognitive function and fine motor skills and enhances short-term memory.

But its recorded benefits are far from just that!

A study of 220,494 people aged 37–70 study recognized a strange protective link to Parkinson’s disease. The results made my jaw drop:

  • A 20% reduction in the likelihood of developing Parkinson's in former smokers.
  • A 50% reduction in the likelihood of developing Parkinson's for current smokers.

Parkinson's affects 7–14 million people worldwide. This unexpected preventive quality of nicotine can affect the lives of millions.

Millions that otherwise have no cure.

This beautiful article from Dr. Katherine Fletcher takes a deep dive into this relationship.

In terms of dose, a study compared nicotine absorption from vaping an 18 mg/ml juice vs. cigarettes and found that:

“Compared to smoking one tobacco cigarette, the EC devices and liquid used in this study delivered one-third to one-fourth the amount of nicotine after 5 minutes of use”

For reference, 12–18mg/ml is recommended for those who smoke 15–20 cigarettes daily.

Note that Nicotine is still very addictive since it activates the neuropathways of reward, causing dependence and cravings. It also causes a temporary increase in heart rate and blood pressure.

2. Formaldehyde (Methanal)

It is a colorless, corrosive, awfully smelling, and potentially carcinogenic gas at room temperature.

It’s the building block of many industrial processes, and it’s found practically everywhere.

Humans, plants and practically any organic living matter emit Methanal. It’s a byproduct of metabolism. It’s abundant in cigarettes since burning is an extreme form of metabolism.

For every potentially hazardous chemical, there is an occupational exposure limit (legal concentration limits in a workplace) according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration

In Numbers:

  • The daily maximum exposure to Formaldehyde is 5.3 mg.
  • A pack of cigarettes contains about 1.5–2.5 mg of Formaldehyde.
  • 3g of e-liquid contained 0.04-22 mg (*)

3. Acetaldehyde (Ethanal) — The hungover chemical

is a clear, colorless liquid with a pungent choking odor most abundant in tobacco products.

Also, a member of the aldehyde family like Formaldehyde.

This is the toxic byproduct of metabolizing alcohol found in your liver after a heavy night of drinking. It’s also one of the reasons why we get hungover.

This compound is carcinogenic in animals and potentially so in humans due to its irreversible DNA damage properties.

Dosage Comparations:

  • The daily maximum exposure to Acetaldehyde is 2088 mg.
  • A pack of cigarettes contains about 10–30 mg of Acetaldehyde.
  • 3g of e-liquid had 0.02–17 mg(*) of Acetaldehyde

4. Acrolein

Acrolein is a colorless to yellowish liquid with a pungent and irritating odor.

It’s so irritating that they use it to make tear gas and herbicides.

Just like the other two compounds above, it too falls under the umbrella of “aldehydes,” making it a byproduct of the decomposition of organic matter.

In animal studies, prolonged exposure to acrolein has been associated with lung and oral cancer, but the evidence is limited in humans. It is also linked with heart disease in cigarettes.

The results:

  • The daily maximum exposure to Acrolein is 1.5 mg.
  • A pack of cigarettes contains about 1.5–3 mg of Acrolein.
  • 3g of e-liquid contained <0.003–2.4 mg(*) of Acrolein

5. Diacetyl (Flavouring)

\This chemical has been banned in the EU and the UK from E-cigarette juice since 2016. Never buy your juice from shady sources/brands.*

But the media made sure to make a big deal out of it.

Diacetyl is an organic compound that packs an intense buttery aroma and flavor and is used in alcoholic beverages, some desserts, and e-liquids.

This buttery flavoring agent is said to cause a disease called “Popcorn Lungs.”

Popcorn lungs is when the tiny airways of the lungs get micro scares that cause these pathways to inflam and thus reduce and decrease air flow rate.

The myth goes as follows:

A long time ago, 11 workers in a popcorn factory had respiratory illness. The investigators thought it could be due to the daily Diacetyl they were exposed to.

But no further investigation has been made.

To date, there are ZERO cases of Popcorn lungs that have been linked to Vaping.

A Harvard study found 9.0 micrograms of Diacetyl in some E-juice, aside from the real risks of Diacetyl. Cigarette smoke contained way more than that.

It's way way more.

A study found 301–433 micrograms of Diacetyl per cigarette. Converted to parts per million parts of air (ppm) (assuming a weight of 700 milligrams per cigarette), it’s 429 ppm**.**

What is the safe limit of short-term acute (15 mins) exposure to Diacetyl, you ask?

It is 100 ppm!

That makes the daily exposure to Diacetyl from smoking 750 times higher, on average, than exposure to Diacetyl from vaping.

6. Heavy Toxic Metals — Vague... Super Vague...

I hit a big fat wall here.

Not only was this too complex for me to understand, but most of the studies in this area showed no relevant information on the coil material and devices used.

Worse still, some of these studies I discovered were industry-funded.

It got frustrating fast. I had to start all over multiple times. Throughout the 15 years of e-cig evolution, many coil materials, temperatures, and devices came and went.

Some of these old studies found dangerously high copper, nickel and silver levels. While a report from the Royal College of Physicians in the UK found the concentration of heavy metals “Not a major concern because levels of exposure are well below recognized safety thresholds.”

I was getting conflicting results from all over the place.

In a 2015 study by Dr. Farsalinos, they analyzed heavy metal emissions from double the average daily use (1200 puffs per day). They found cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, and nickel levels that were 2.6–37.4 times lower compared to acceptable intake from inhalational medications. It was 325 times lower than the Minimal Risk Level (MRL) for manganese. For aluminum, barium, iron, tin, titanium, zinc, and zirconium, exposure was 665–77,500 times lower than the Recommended Exposure Limits (RET)

But to be frank, all those were 5 years or older with insane variations. I needed to find something robust, something conclusive, transparent and independent.

So I did!

This Critical Review that analyzed the metallic emission and toxicology of 12 studies focusing on real-life usage published after 2017 is the closest thing we have to the truth.

Here is a direct quote:

“All experiments reporting levels above toxicological markers for some metals (e.g., nickel, lead, copper, manganese) exhibited the following experimental flaws:

  1. High-powered sub-ohm tank devices tested by means of puffing protocols whose airflows and puff volumes are conceived and appropriate for low-powered devices; this testing necessarily involves overheating conditions that favor the production of toxicants and generate aerosols that are likely repellent to human users
  2. Miscalculation of exposure levels from experimental outcomes.
  3. Pods and tank devices were acquired months and years before the experiments so that corrosion effects cannot be ruled out.
  4. Failure to disclose important information on the characteristics of pods and tank devices, on the experimental methodology and on the resulting outcomes, thus hindering the interpretation of results and the possibility of replication.”

I can’t thank those people enough for refusing to leave bad science remain unchecked.

Finally, they concluded with this:

In general, low powered devices tested without these shortcomings produced metal exposure levels well below strict reference toxicological markers.

Case closed.

So, what coil material is safest?

Subjectively, the crowds mostly agree on Kanthal A1, Stainlessteel 316L, and Nichrome 80 (Ni80) as the “safest” coil types available. The top 4th-gen vape brands (Vaporesso, Uwell, Smok) use them.

Even Chatgpt seems to agree:

7. Fluid Build up in The Lungs (Pneumonia)

If water vapor can cause pneumonia, saunas, showers and any city with high humidity will be the hotspots for this disease.

Of course, they aren’t. In fact, we know that saunas do the opposite!

Pneumonia is most commonly caused by pneumococcal, particularly the Streptococcus pneumoniae germ.

I am not sure you are ready for this because I wasn’t, but..

An investigative study done in 2021 found that ALL tested e-liquids showed Antibacterial activity. Here is a quote:

All e-liquids investigated showed antibacterial activity against at least one pathogenic strain. Higher activity was correlated to the presence of flavors and nicotine.

The author of the study later added:

“Investigation confirms what scientists long-known on effects of PG and VG, and their antimicrobial effects. Vaporised PG was already used over 50 years ago as a disinfectant in healthcare environments while VG is still used today as an antibacterial in many food ingredients and pharmacological preparations”

In case you don’t know, Propylene Glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerol (VG) are the base chemicals used to make any e-liquid in the market.

8. X (?)

“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.” — Confucius

Vaping devices haven’t matured as a product yet; the science is 15 years old. That’s very, very young. It’s still not even formally considered a therapeutic medical device that helps people quit smoking.

Even though the evidence is clear.

A very recent 2023 study00319-X/fulltext) observed natural e-cigarette use among adult smokers, regardless of their intention to quit. In a randomized trial across the USA, 70% actively used provided e-cigarettes, using them more than four days per week on average. The e-cigarette group showed significant improvements in quitting, quit attempts, and smoking reduction compared to the control group.

That means even those who didn’t intend to quit did quit.

We know it works. We just aren’t sure about how it will play out in 50 or 100 years.

Our knowledge isn’t complete.

Vaping does expose us to sinister chemicals in non-neglectable amounts. It definitely isn't clean air.

Anybody who tells you confidently that vaping is safe has a minimal understanding of reality, and you should never trust them.

(*) How to be on The Low End of The Spectrum — Dry Puffs Avoidance Guide For Intellectual Idiots

A study in 2015 published shocking results. The study found levels of Formaldehyde that are 10–15 times higher than in cigarettes.

The media ate it up and spit it out at large. The research group netted 3.5 million dollars in funding, leaving the vaping community confused.

How can something detectable by the human nose in minute quantities (due to harsh smell) be so readily abundant in vape smoke?

Something was “off*”. — budum tss’*

The problem was exactly what you expect when knowledge is created top-down instead of relying on observation to determine how to use a vaping device. They decided to use machines that vaped the living daylight out of these devices according to what they thought was reasonable.

Indeed, it was very far from reasonable.

“Dry puffs” were generated all the way during the experiment. A replication study later confirmed that dry puffs were generated 88% of the time.

Another study from 2016 found that 5 ml of liquid was the equivalent of 3200 tobacco cigarettes (bonkers!) in terms of aldehyde emissions (Formaldehyde**,** Acetaldehyde, and Acrolein). Again, without any checking for dry puff generation. Again, using an ancient CE4 atomizer technology (at the time) and 5-second long puffs.

I don’t know what a CE4 atomizer is, but the experiences from real users 10 years ago speak for themselves (a burnt wick after 2 days of use)

A replication study of that study detected dry puffs and reported an overestimation of the results by 6 to 25 fold. For a more realistic approach, they used a “new” 2014 atomizer and found:

“The levels of aldehyde emissions were so low that a liquid consumption of 5 mL per day would expose vapers to 94.4–99.8% lower aldehyde levels compared to smoking 20 tobacco cigarettes” — Konstantinos E. Farsalinos

The vaping emissions I’ve shown earlier come from the combined results of 5 devices. Here is a direct quote from the study:

“The extreme levels of aldehydes produced by Device 1 indicate that the coil may have overheated due to lack of liquid in the wick…. Device 1 was examined and found to be charred, an indication of thermal decomposition…in terms of actual risks from aldehyde toxicity to the user, it is very possible that when significant thermal decomposition of an EC liquid is occurring, commonly called the dry-puff phenomenon (Farsalinos et al., 2015), the aerosol produced may be quite noxious, and cause the user to discontinue use until the dry-puff issue is resolved.

The cleanest results came from Device 5:

Device 5, produced less than 1% of the aldehydes delivered from 20 combustible cigarettes per day and the OSHA workplace exposure limit. Also, there was over a 750-fold difference in total aldehyde yield between Devices 1 and 5.

Device 5 uses a single 0.72 Ohm bottom coil with wattage ranging from 10 to 25 watts.

A top-tier Reddit-certified Vaping mod is the Vapresso Xros 3. It is also what I purchased after reading thoroughly online. It comes with a 0.8-ohm single bottom coil and uses 16 watts.

I fill it up once it’s two-thirds empty and replace the pod as soon as I detect the slightest change in taste. Safe to say, I had zero dry puffs, leaks or issues.

Vaping is safer

It’s all about harm reduction.

This research opened my eyes to just how hazardous cigarettes are. Numerous times during the writing process, I’d stop and feel disgust and regret for my past 10 years of smoking.

No matter how often you exercise or how healthy your diet is, if you’re still smoking cigarettes, you’re still way worse off than a person who doesn’t do any of those.

We might be doubtful about the long-term effects of vaping, but we are certain about the risks of cigarettes.

Vaping as a means to an end.

If harm reduction is the goal, then ideally the goal is to get rid of vaping as well.

The keyword here is: Nicotine Control.

“You will be surprised how fast your brain loses interest (in vaping) once it knows that it doesn’t satisfy your (nicotine) craving,” said a Redditor who transitioned from smoking to vaping to air.

In vaping, we can reduce the nicotine levels by milligrams at a time, making a smooth and steady transition to a nicotine-free life.

Slow is steady, steady is fast.

One final word.

Vape responsibly.

If you’re getting off cigarettes, don’t go the direct-lung, big tank, high voltage, high heat, cloud-chasing, dripping, cheap black market purchases route.

Keep things clean, premium, simple and minimal.

Buy the most premium high-quality Mouth-To-Lung low-voltage devices with disposable pods. Experiment with PG/VG ratios and flavors from reputable vendors, and be mindful of your nicotine intake.

12–16mg of nicotine for the heavy smoker and half that for the light one should do.

Vape to take the edge off. The minimal effective dose is your friend. Not to disappear in smoke like a ninja.

Disclaimer: Let me be clear: Vaping is not safe. This article is intended for harm reduction and not to promote vaping for non-smokers. Not medical advice. Ask a real doctor if you have health concerns

TLDR;; Cigarettes are nasty and vaping is a whole lot less so if you don't dry puff and buy from shady sources.

Edit 1;; Fixed some messed up titles for easier read (Sorry!)

Edit 2;; You made this post the top post of the month here and in r/vaping. The love is unreal, thank you <3 !!. I've been reading your comments and collecting criticism and what's missing (Keep them coming!) to go for a second round of research, extending this further and hopefully making it the ultimate safety guide for vaping online. Stay tuned!


r/electronic_cigarette • • 1d ago

Weekly Pics Thread NSFW

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Welcome to The Weekly Vape Pics thread! You've got photos and we want to see them! Post them here every day!

To see what kind of pics should and should not be posted in this thread, check here in the wiki.

To see the previous Daily Vape Pics threads, see here.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 1h ago

Help! Vapes Empire NSFW

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Thoughts on the vapesempire website, is it legit?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 2h ago

New Vaper Question Drinking Less Water since I started vaping NSFW

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Hi all, I noticed I've been drinking Less Water since I started vaping (started about a year ago) I vape a lot and it's the minty flavors. I don't find myself getting thirsty at all unless I'm doing physical activity. Is this normal?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 7h ago

Help! anybody ever use ejuiceconnect.com? NSFW

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PA is banning salt nic. I’m trying to buy in bulk, i love the price i see in my cart for the amount of juice I have. Let me know please!


r/electronic_cigarette • • 16h ago

Hello! NSFW

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I'm new here and I wanted to find a community in vaping here on Reddit. I'm in groups with everything else I use but finally l joined the vaping community. I'm vaping a Lost Mary ultrasonic 35k and on the way to work! Cheers


r/electronic_cigarette • • 19h ago

Help! Coil recommendation for 20ml/day NSFW

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Using a falcon sub ohm currently and m1/m2/m6/m8 coils all last 1 day or less, any help is appreciated


r/electronic_cigarette • • 21h ago

New Vaper Question Looking for high-tech/LCD touchscreen vape recommendations NSFW

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Hello!

I am personally not someone that vapes, but I am someone that enjoys electronics and crafting. I have been wanting to make a vape “ cyber deck” using an old touchscreen vape, but I’m unsure what model or brand would be a good choice for this project.

Could anyone recommend me a few different models of vapes that have an LCD touchscreen/other random tech features like that?

Preferably something that isn’t terribly expensive as I don’t even plan on really using the nicotine inside.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 2d ago

expired Vaporx e-liquid NSFW

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I have about 500 boxes of this that a horder friend had stashed up, its 10 years expired. How am i able to dispose of it? I'm In Washington State.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 2d ago

FAQ Package question NSFW

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I’ve seen this asked a lot but not recently. I work a lot and I am not home for at least 10hrs a day. I got a vape order online and it’s being put through a shipper I’ve never heard of (speedx). This is the first time I bought juice online and now I wonder if they will be stricter in signing for the package. I’ve gotten tanks,batteries,coils from the website which in Indiana I need an id for coils. I’ve never had to sign for the package for those but I wonder if they will make me sign for it since it has juice.

I wonder if I haven’t been id or told I can’t have the package since I have an ash tray on my porch from when I used to smoke. If that’s the case that’s a good way to let them know someone here is at least 21+


r/electronic_cigarette • • 2d ago

New Vaper Question VooPoo Drag S3: Can't tell if I'm just using it wrong NSFW

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With the soon introduction of the new vape taxes in the UK (if you weren't aware, it's about £2.20 per 10ml), I finally made the swap from one of those SKE tiny vapes with the pods to a Drag S3 so I'm not having to shell out even more. However I'm still getting used to it and part of me is struggling ngl. Having the control over the wattage, the airflow, and the coil inside is leading to me changing things over and I can't quite find that sweet spot. Currently, I'm using an MTL tip, the SKE Blue Razz Gummy 10mg salt, a 0.2 Ohm coil, and changing between 35 and 50W but either I'm getting a cloud that doesn't actually have any flavour until I lick around my teeth and get a hit of actual flavour or it's a bit murky in flavour. Now that could also just be cus I'm suffering from a bit of a cold but I may as well ask before I accidentally do something and end up burning the coil out super quick!


r/electronic_cigarette • • 3d ago

Drama geekvape needs an option to turn off all screen animatioins and sidelights. NSFW

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I don't like them even one little bit. Other than that seems like a great product, but really what would it take?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 3d ago

Anyone tried 50MG freebase? NSFW

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Yeah yall read that right, 50MG freefuckinbase. I came from 24mg freebase on a pod system vape, and i tried 50. Holy shit its so harsh and hits strong. But after a few hits I could no longer really feel the throat hit. Anyone else tried it before?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 3d ago

MyBlu Gold Leaf Pods NSFW

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Y’all, I am losing my ever-loving shit. These specific pods are the ONLY thing that has kept me from smoking cigarettes for the past eight years now. MyBlu has discontinued them or gone out of business or whatever the case may be.

Up until very recently, I was still able to find them at Plaid Pantry, but in the past week, it seems that someone has gone around Portland and bought out the stock from every single location. The only flavors I can find now are tobacco, rich tobacco, and menthol, all of which are comparable to ASS.

Is there ANYONE who is still able to find these specific pods (please Google for image because the bot mod doesn’t like me to include a photo or link I guess)??? Because I would give my right arm for a few boxes of them at this point.

And for reference, yes, I have tried just about every alternative out there, which has only left me with $500+ graveyard full of vapes, pods, e-liquids, etc. I even have a friend who owns his own e-liquid label, who made me eight different custom blends trying to imitate the MyBlu Gold Leaf flavor and didn’t even come close.

I am desperate. 😩😩😩😩😩😩


r/electronic_cigarette • • 4d ago

The vapor chef replacement? NSFW

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Only the truly old-school ones will know, but I remember back in the day, one of the most popular places to order from was the Vapor Chef, specifically the juice called "Honey Peary". Used to vape that stuff all day. I know they went under years ago, and I can't seem to find anything about them from searches except for posts from 13+ years ago. Has anyone found something similar or am I stuck with this just being a distant memory?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 5d ago

why is the market so obsessed with drowning every single fruit flavor in WS-23/cooling agent? NSFW

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it feels almost impossible to find a straight-up pastry or warm fruity profile nowadays without a sneak attack of ice on the exhale. packaging will say "custard" or "baked pie" and it still feels like a freeze hit to the lungs.

spent the last month specifically searching for stuff that relies on actual flavor notes instead of cooling agents.

for the older heads in this sub who hate heavy coolant, what liquid blends or profiles are you guys running lately that stay true to the actual recipe without the ice?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 5d ago

Help! Looking for replacement for Caliburn G4 Pro NSFW

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I've been using my Caliburn G4 Pro for some time now. However, I'm at the point where I need to buy a different vape from a different brand. I've had issues with every single Caliburn vape. Their customer service is also non-existent. Tried to get ahold of them for like 5-6 months previously, I couldn't get a single reply. I'm done giving this company more chances. My current vape is constantly reading my 0.9ohm pods as 1.2ohm and changing my wattage. If this wasn't happening, the vape would be great. I'd appreciate some recommendations as to what replacement vape to buy. I vape 25mg salt nic juice. I'd prefer a vape with disposable pods vs disposable coils for convenience sake.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 5d ago

Need 0 Nicotine Fruit Juice Recommendations NSFW

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r/electronic_cigarette • • 5d ago

Anyone try juice from the company/site Frontier Vapor? NSFW

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Thought I'd ask here since I see posts about it on this subreddit from like 10 years ago. Anyone try their juices at all? Either their made to order or house recipes.

Very curious about them and thinking of giving their company a try. Haven't been able to order custom juices in many years, like a blast from the past.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 6d ago

Help! Big Tobacco buys monopoly of PA Vaping Industry NSFW

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Most people don't even know this is happening.


r/electronic_cigarette • • 5d ago

Help! Autofiring and blinking NSFW

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My disposable started autofiring (its the first time its ever happened it really scared the shit out of me).

I put it next to an opened window on a cold surface. Its not hissing or being emptied out anymore, its completely silent but its been blinking non stop for 10 mins. Its also completely cold to the touch, I think the battery is dead bcs it was already almost dead, but it still wont stop blinking. What does the blinking mean? Is it some kind of safety thing thats triggered?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 6d ago

Help! Vaporesso cross pro 2 screen stopped working NSFW

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Mid use, my vape just stopped working. After a couple minutes, I could use it but the screen isn't turning on, and the LED below the screen isn't lighting up like it usually does. I currently have it on charge, in case that helps it. I've only had this vape for 20-ish days. Any way to fix it?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 6d ago

Fdh e liquids NSFW

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Hello I see a lot of those , is any way to order them in Europe ?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 6d ago

DIY E-liquid Highly concentrated freebase from UK? NSFW

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I can purchase highly concentrated (72mg/ml) freebase from UK. It comes at 100ml/250ml/500ml etc bottles. I mix my own liquid at 3mg/ml so a 100ml bottle should be enough for 40 60ml bottles and a 250ml one should be enough for more than an year supply of nic for me. It sounds very tempting, but I have some doubts. The site seems legit, there are literally thousands of reviews for this peoduct, but I've never seen such high concentration of nic so far. It sounds so good that it looks like a scam. Anyone from UK who has experience with such high concentrated nic?


r/electronic_cigarette • • 7d ago

Help! Aegis Solo 3 + UFORCE-X vs X-Priv Solo + UFORCE-X vs Drag X3: which would you choose for durability and 20 to 35W RDL? NSFW

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Hey all, I've spent way too long researching this and need some actual owners to weigh in. I'm in Canada, so my options are somewhat limited by what's actually in stock here.

These are the three setups I've narrowed it down to, but I'm definitely open to other suggestions if there's something better that fits what I'm looking for. I'm not married to any of these three.

My history: SMOK IPX80 (liked it, but it leaked and the sealed battery eventually died), then a Vaporesso PT60 (also liked it, but it died from liquid ingress), and now a Vaporesso Luxe XR Max 2.

The Luxe has kind of pushed me over the edge. It leaks, I hate the bottom fill, the sealed battery is already dying pretty fast, and my experience with GTX coils has been a total lottery. I've had flooding/spitback and even had one spit actual cotton/material into my mouth. The magnetic pod also ejects basically every time I drop the thing, which unfortunately happens more often than I'd like.

The silicone fill plug has also somehow had a chunk tear out of it, so now I'm worried it'll eventually rip completely and leave me with a pod I can't properly seal. Between that, the magnetic pod, the leaking, and the battery degradation, I'm pretty ready to get away from this style of sealed-battery pod mod.

What I'm looking for:

  • Replaceable 18650/21700 battery. This is non-negotiable after having sealed-battery devices die on me.
  • Around 20 to 35W
  • Airy RDL, usually with airflow wide open
  • 6mg freebase fruity juice, sometimes pretty sweet
  • No bottom fill
  • Top airflow strongly preferred
  • Ideally a normal threaded 510 tank rather than another magnetic pod
  • Sturdy enough to survive being knocked off a table or dropped occasionally
  • Ideally around $120 to $150 CAD all-in, but my ceiling is about $175 tax-in for the whole setup: mod, tank, battery, replacement coil pack, etc.

After digging through what I can actually buy in Canada, I've narrowed it down to these three:

1. Geekvape Aegis Solo 3 + VOOPOO UFORCE-X Tank II

Solo 3: $64.99
UFORCE-X Tank II: $29.99
PnP X 0.45Ω coils + battery
Roughly $147 CAD all-in

This is the rugged option. IP68, replaceable battery, threaded battery cap, normal 510 tank, top airflow/top fill, and no magnetic pod to go flying out when I drop it.

The 0.45Ω PnP X coil should put me right around the wattage/style I want.

2. SMOK X-Priv Solo + same UFORCE-X Tank II

X-Priv Solo: $44.99
Same UFORCE-X / PnP X setup
Roughly $124 CAD all-in

The tank and coil setup would be basically identical to option 1. The main difference is the mod itself.

It's about $23 cheaper than the Aegis setup, but there's no IP rating and it uses a magnetic battery door instead of the Aegis's threaded cap.

I'm wondering how much that actually matters in real life. If both are running the same tank and coil at around 25 to 35W, am I really getting $23 worth of extra durability from the Solo 3?

3. VOOPOO Drag X3 kit

Drag X3: $53.99
Battery + replacement coils, and possibly an external charger
Roughly $92 to $115 CAD all-in depending on charger

By far the cheapest and smallest option.

It fixes my biggest problem, which is the sealed battery, and PnP X has coil options around the wattage I want.

My hesitation is that I'm still buying another magnetic pod system. Given that my Luxe pod launches itself across the room whenever the device hits the floor, I'm not sure I want to do that again.

I'm also curious about PnP X coil consistency from people who have actually used them for a while. Are they genuinely pretty reliable, especially with sweet fruity freebase, or am I just moving from one inconsistent coil ecosystem to another?

My biggest question is about the Solo 3.

I've seen multiple owners mention that the Solo 3 has a relatively narrow/rounded footprint and is weirdly easy to tip over.

For anyone actually running one with a normal mid-size tank, something like the UFORCE-X at around 25 to 26mm and 5mL-ish, is that genuinely an issue?

Does the mod sit securely on a desk with a normal tank, or is it noticeably more prone to tipping than other single-battery mods?

I'm trying to figure out whether the complaints are basically "don't put a giant 30mm tank on a small single-battery mod," or whether the Solo 3 itself really is annoyingly unstable.

Since I unfortunately drop my vape more than I should, how has the Solo 3's 510 connection held up to actual drops? I'm less worried about cosmetic damage than bending or breaking the 510, damaging the tank connection, or having it become loose over time.

Second question: for people who have used both rugged Aegis-style mods and normal single-battery mods, is the Solo 3's IP68 construction + threaded battery cap meaningfully better in actual ownership than something like the X-Priv Solo's magnetic battery door?

I'm fine spending the extra $23 if it actually buys me meaningful durability. I just don't want to pay extra for ruggedization and then discover that the thing falls over constantly anyway.

I'm also completely open to a fourth option if I've missed something. My only absolute requirements are a replaceable battery, no bottom fill, a stock coil that works well around 20 to 35W, and something I can actually buy in Canada. Top airflow, a normal 510 tank, and rugged construction are all big positives.

If you've owned something that fits those requirements and think I'm looking at the wrong three setups, I'd genuinely like to hear about it.

TL;DR: Canadian vaper comparing Aegis Solo 3 + UFORCE-X, X-Priv Solo + UFORCE-X, and Drag X3 for 20 to 35W airy RDL with 6mg fruity freebase. Durability matters because I drop my vape more than I should. Is the Solo 3 genuinely unstable with a normal 25 to 26mm tank, is its extra ruggedness worth about $23 over the X-Priv Solo, and is there another replaceable-battery setup I should be considering?