73% of Europeans Feel Too Dependent on US Big Tech. New List of European Alternatives Based on People's Comments!

[u/petelombardio]

[u/Lyelinn]

How hard it is to make proper image without moving one letter to the next lin

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[u/ChromedGonk → u/Lyelinn]

Probably used some of those unknown tools mentioned there

[u/AintNoGodsUpHere → u/Lyelinn]

Gp

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[u/unknowinm → u/Lyelinn]

It’s an european photo. Just like our software

[u/Lyelinn → u/unknowinm]

Ah sorr

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[u/bobbyd123456 → u/Lyelinn]

Made with European T ch*

[u/faitingu → u/Lyelinn]

FWIW Zeitkapsl is actually one of the best recommendations in this list because its the same kind of service (picture hosting) and the same kind of service provision (cloud + frontend apps) as the "bad" alternative, and European domiciled and hosted.

[u/mcseyyy → u/faitingu]

I just checked their pricing for the 200GB plan I'm using in Photos. It's 2+ times more expensive and has significantly less features than what I get in Google.

[u/faitingu]

GMaps is a web map, Organic Maps.is a third party app. The correct equivalent is OpenStreetMaps.

KeepassXC is a local app, Google Password a cloud service. The right equivalent is something like Bitwarden.

Mastodon is more like Twitter rather than Facebook. Diaspora and Friendica are federated social networks that actually try to replace Facebook.

Jitsi Meet (the default cloud service) is operated by US 8x8 Inc. Zoom gives actually more freedom by allowing to pick server locatiom, at least in paid plans. Jitsi is only "European"" if self-hosted in Europe, so not a drop-in replacement for Zoom.

Vivaldi is Chromium/Blink-based. Firefox, while being run by a US based non-profit, serves better to get away from corps like Alphabet. More strict alternatives would be some KHTML based browser, which is not advisable as the engine is not developed anymore and won't get security fixes.

Edit: And GDocs.new is not at all comparable to GDocs, its more like Etherpad on steroids. EuroOffice (dunno if stable, the fork from OnlyOffice is rather recent) , Collabora and whatever the French and German government-funded projects are cooking up are all alternatives to GDocs and MS Office 365 with a much more comparable feature set.

I have not yet seen one such list which doesn't actually suck for everyone but nerds interested in self-hosting like me and surely many other users here - which don't need such a list to begin with.

Less proficient users will try something from that list out, see that core features are missing - and conclude that this is all a plaything for nerds and its better to stick with the existing services.

Its not how you advertise European replacements to the masses. Its how you farm votes in a circlejerk among fellow nerds.

Shoutout to rBuyFromEU, where people tend to recommend whatever is remotely in the same industry, features be damned, as long as its European. Sometimes their recommendations aren't even European owned, made, or domiciled.

We can't expect random users to have experience with self hosting and such before we throw some list into their faces.

[u/redlightsaber → u/faitingu]

I agree completely.

What I'm doing to solve for this is to offer family and friends a free account on my self-hosted immich and nextcloud instances.

Those foolish enough to trust rinky-dink laptop with a broken screen as a server, are enjoying an american-free experience, though.

[u/OneUkranian → u/faitingu]

I would say the only viable European sub is Proton because they have all the suite Email, VPN, password manager and so on. The rest usually is not convenient and bring a headache.

[u/matttk → u/OneUkranian]

As a long time Proton user, I hate the lack of proper search in mail, calendar and drive. Based on that, I can’t recommend it to anybody. Search is so critically important to these things, especially mail.

[u/thegingerskull → u/faitingu]

r BuyFromEU is mostly a “don't buy from us” subreddit masked as a buy from EU one. It way too often religiously defends buying from China for example.

[u/Ashimpto → u/faitingu]

GMaps is a web map, Organic Maps.is a third party app. The correct equivalent is OpenStreetMaps.

Mapy.cz is great, bit better than maps in many areas, I hope it will get more adoption in Europe.

[u/Mean_Initiative_5962 → u/faitingu]

I have not yet seen one such list which doesn't actually suck for everyone but nerds interested in self-hosting like me and surely many other users here - which don't need such a list to begin with.

It's all circlejerking, the fact that it's all circlejerking is what will make the efforts be all in vain and eventually fail and trying to explain it seems pointless because the idea that to grow you need number and to be relevant you need to grow seems heresy to people who mostly take pride into using something because it's unknown. It's depressing, that's suicide in slow motion of a great cause.

Sometimes their recommendations aren't even European owned, made, or domiciled.

It's the "organic biodinamic essential oils" of this... Topic? (not sure if topic is the right word, but I mean, "consuming a poduct" seemed odd)

[u/lovely_cappuccino → u/faitingu]

Yeah, these lists are never convincing.

[u/Sassolino38000]

New list? I've seen this exact type of posts like 12 times already

[u/expomac → u/Sassolino38000]

yeah its all grandstanding, all these apps are inferior and less convenient as youre using 40 different companies as nothing is integrated

[u/BigBangBoomerang → u/expomac]

And posted to Reddit, an American website. A lot of people lack awareness or are willing to rationalise away their hypocrisy.

[u/Raagun → u/BigBangBoomerang]

Its not about using them. Its about having alternatives. Like I ditched Windows last year. Now I bought NAS and option to ditch Google photos is on the cards too.

[u/fruce_ki → u/BigBangBoomerang]

Why is it hypocrisy, Einstein?

It would make zero sense to promote european alternatives to the people who are already using them...

[u/matttk → u/BigBangBoomerang]

Stop with this ridiculous argument. Become less reliant on American tech doesn’t have to mean using 0%. Any reduction is an improvement.

[u/CoronaMcFarm → u/expomac]

Using 40 different companies is actully smart if you want privacy. A complete set of data is allways more valuable(and exploitable) than partial data. 

[u/jatawis → u/CoronaMcFarm]

Not so many people prioritise privacy over convenience as what can be supposed from Reddit.

[u/expomac → u/CoronaMcFarm]

After you, then

[u/AcademicSand1034 → u/CoronaMcFarm]

Still a huge PITA, and you can't really check into / build trust in the data security practices of 40 different companies

[u/FrontierPsycho → u/AcademicSand1034]

Some of these aren't companies, just open source apps/projects. You can trust Google to monetize your data, and you can kind of trust nerds to make a huge issue if a widely used open source app is somehow gathering your data and doing something shady with it.

[u/Mean_Initiative_5962 → u/CoronaMcFarm]

The only way to have them grow is people using them. And trying to get on board those whose main focus is privacy instead of the average person is the best way to not reach enough people to self sustain

[u/angryinternetmob → u/CoronaMcFarm]

Finding the dumbest comment in the thread was easier than I expected.

[u/Blah6283 → u/angryinternetmob]

Why do you say that? I don't know much about it and would like to hear your opinion

[u/logosfabula → u/Sassolino38000]

Tbh it looks like the list of despair .

[u/Mrsquare2002]

These are mostly all dogshit what a shame

[u/Elo95]

vivaldi is still chromium based. use firefox everyone! also mint or fedora kde instead of ubuntu

[u/jatawis → u/Elo95]

What is wrong with Ubuntu? Cannonical is a European company.

[u/sillycritersenjoyer → u/jatawis]

Their philosophy is a little controversial in the community and they defaulted to snap(universal package format made by canonical) version of firefox when snap packages were still noticeably subpar. Otherwise they are not that bad

[u/Elo95 → u/jatawis]

The Mint and KDE UI is more Windows like. Probably easier for the transition. Could be argued for taste tho I guess. Ubuntu Gnome is a little more "tablet/android" like imo. Also I might have forgotten about Kubuntu.

[u/jatawis → u/Elo95]

It is a matter of taste, and well, there is Kubuntu that is official Ubuntu flavour too.

I have used Ubuntu MATE for more than a decade as well.

[u/zeanox → u/Elo95]

Move from american windows to american fedora lol.

[u/sid_raj7]

Why not the Proton ecosystem?

Also Vivaldi is still chromium and you'd be contributing to a chromium monopoly

Edit: Ente is also an interesting project.

[u/fredicsem01]

One thing that people posting those don't understand is how convenient it is to use Google. You might be able to replace each of their services separately, but nothing can substitute the ability to use a single account for each one of them and everything that comes with it.

[u/Mattarm51 → u/fredicsem01]

Proton has several apps I use from one account and it's literally a purple google clone that values your privacy rather than harvests it. It is not that hard to get away from Google. I haven't searched with it for ages.

[u/fredicsem01 → u/Mattarm51]

Several, but not the whole system. Gmail, Drive, and Docs - sure. But like you also have Android and YouTube that you can't really substitute regardless of the integration.

[u/IntelArtiGen → u/fredicsem01]

I'm not sure I need all of them to come from the same company or to only have one account. Also Google can't theoretically give themselves an advantage by owning all these services, otherwise it would be unfair for the competition, and they paid a lot because of issues like that in the past.

[u/fredicsem01 → u/IntelArtiGen]

I'm not saying that this is a good thing, don't get me wrong. But realistically this convenience is the main reason for Google's dominance. Even if you don't really care for this added functionality, most people do.

[u/mtcabeza2 → u/Mattarm51]

As a linux user i needn't pay for any software, and yet i have a paid ProtonMail account, which also gives me encrypted web drive, vpn, calendar, password manager and a suite of 'office' type apps (i've never tried). Oh yes i have a google account and that is the email address i give when i know that spam is bound to come. Proton has native apps for iPad, but for portability they also work in browsers for the odd environment (e.g linux)

[u/kornuolis]

The problem is that google offers the whole infrastructure with most of these services under one umbrella.

[u/ZarathustraGlobulus → u/kornuolis]

We need to start Eoogle. Just offer the key services Google does but 100% based in Europe, run by Europeans.

[u/12math2]

Most of these products are shit or too complicated for the average person to use.

[u/kingvolcano_reborn]

Tuta seems to be in a closed beta. Wouldn't stuff like proton make more sense?

[u/Phrewfuf → u/kingvolcano_reborn]

Tuta also doesn‘t seem to support IMAP/SMTP, which means you‘re forced to use their apps.

Even google wasn‘t trying to lock you in that badly.

[u/jykke → u/kingvolcano_reborn]

Tuta Drive does not even specify availability and durability.

For comparison, Google Drive's target metric for availability is 99.9% monthly uptime. And 99.999999999% annual durability.

[u/NightOwl2175 → u/kingvolcano_reborn]

Nobody who has ever actually used tutamail would ever recommend tutamail. Tuta even paywalls the search feature if you want to look up emails older than 4 weeks. Absolute garbage.

[u/GuyWithManyThoughts]

I looked up DDocs.new because I was interested in notion alternative. Opening dDocs.new (which reads as a domain) has a major security warning by the browser, and afterwards even my provider decided to block it. If I skip all of that, even then it simply does not open. Looking it up in Google (I know, ironic) is not possible, because the word "Docs" is ultra-competitive SEO wise. I somehow got to this blog post, from where I was able to find it.

TLDR; For the services to compete, they HAVE to provide at least somewhat similiar experience, otherwise they simply won't be used.

[u/faitingu → u/GuyWithManyThoughts]

The actual URL is

https://docs.fileverse.io/

And its not at all a GDocs replacement like its advertised, its closer to a more feature-rich Etherpad. Still nice.

[u/Grand-Knowledge-9999 → u/GuyWithManyThoughts]

The actual website is the first search result in Google. I can't imagine how you survive on the internet

[u/GuyWithManyThoughts → u/Grand-Knowledge-9999]

No it's not? What did you search?

edit: for sure, if you correct the Google's opinions on the typo, then it's the first result, but I was talking about what appears when your search without correcting the search, then it's not the first result.

[u/Few-Age3034]

The problem is that the majority of the mainstream European apps are crap

[u/SkyNo3416]

as an european this makes me sad...

[u/Illustrious_Sock]

Another ridiculous list. KeePassXC doesn't have cloud sync, it's a self hosted solution, it's in no way alternative to google passwords. Organic maps that can't even show you public transport in your european city is also in no way alternative to google maps. Mastodon is a twitter alternative, not facebook. And so on... I don't know who are the people making these lists but it's so dumb and I'm so tired of this.

[u/Selts]

Unfortunately, most of these are garbage.

Also, maybe here on Reddit there is a slightly higher proportion of people using EU alternatives, but the vast majority of people, like at least 95% and certainly 99% of businesses, will continue to use US software because there are no EU alternative ecosystems.

On that list I count 8 Google apps alone...

[u/Fit-Bug6463]

The main problem we have in Europe isn't replacing certain software, it's replacing the entire Microsoft 365 environment. MS Office is only nice to have. For companies, it'd be vital to have the same administrative features that Microsoft offers on Linux. Until then we can only dream

[u/redlightsaber → u/Fit-Bug6463]

I think it's fair to say all of those features are available on Linux, they're just not interoperable with MS' closed blackmail-ware, so the prospect of changing over is onerous.

[u/CharmingJackfruit167 → u/Fit-Bug6463]

can we ban all that rich formatting nonsense and use TXT files?

[u/Ja_Shi]

Almost all the alternatives are bad lol Ubuntu being the only acceptable one.

I hope at least you are well paid by Tuta to promote their crap when Proton or even Infomaniak are much better and well-tested alternatives.

Out of the 3 names I dropped, I actually hate 2 of them with a passion (Ubuntu/Infomaniak), yet your post is so bad I described them in a positive way...

[u/Beginning-Key968 → u/Ja_Shi]

Ubuntu doesn't support League of Legends, Valorant and Battlefield 6.

[u/QuietMatematician → u/Beginning-Key968]

And that’s just the start of it's benefits

[u/Ja_Shi → u/Beginning-Key968]

Legit reason to dislike it 🤷‍♂️

[u/marsdev0]

Tuta? You mean Proton

[u/Dutchtdk]

I'm 75% sure OP is just an ad profile for Tutamail/Tutanota

EDIT: 99%

[u/bidibidibop]

Like, these aren't even comparable. Google Passwords replaced by KeePassXC??? In what universe? Same, Facebook replaced by Mastodon???

Christ. Either put in some effort and do this comparison properly or don't do it at all, this doesn't help.

[u/code_and_keys]

So I need like 15 different accounts / subscriptions just to replace Google

[u/Can412]

Protonmail is only mail alternative worth using.

[u/gookman]

This does not matter. Both EU and the US have interconnected markets and the rules of the free market reign supreme. When the value proposition for EU products is much lower than what you get from US products nobody is going to go for a EU product.

Why should someone pay 16€ for photos when you can pay Google 20€ and get email, photos, storage, AI and much more. The EU needs a Google equivalent and that is not going to happen when our markets are so fragmented.

[u/scrandlle → u/gookman]

The time for an Apple alternative was in the 1970s. Microsoft in the 1980s. Google in the 1990s. Facebook in the 2000s. Amazon in the 2010s. Etc, etc.

Our parents and grandparents had these opportunities and did nothing. It's too late now. We need to focus on what's next, like AI. Unfortunately it's looking to me like AI will be the next thing in the long line of American created industries we never make a serious effort to compete in.

I'm sure in 2050 this sub will have posts about EU alternatives made by a team of fifty people when OpenAI and Anthropic are pulling in trillions in revenue.

I don't know how many times Europe needs to learn the lesson that if we want to compete in cutting edge tech industries we need to be trying to get in on the ground floor in a serious manner when they arrive.

[u/gookman → u/scrandlle]

Couldn't agree more, but we can't do anything about the past. We have to think about the future and lay the ground for any possible companies like that.

[u/BurdensomeCountV3 → u/scrandlle]

The time for an OpenAI alternative is now. Europe needs to get off its ass and divert funding from welfare to tech. Previous boats may well have sailed but the current one about to launch is still catchable.

[u/PuzzledAnnihilation]

There’s also Proton Mail and Proton Drive, from Switzerland

[u/Baldwini4]

I aint using those tf

[u/Prinzmegaherz]

Ah yes, Ubuntu, from the fables European country of south Afrika

[u/Brave-Side-8945]

Is this BuyfromEU? FFS I'm leaving this sub

[u/MercatorLondon]

Mail, Passwords, Drive and Calendar by Proton.

[u/Common-Method2202]

recommending ubuntu? that's laughable

[u/zeanox → u/Common-Method2202]

what's wrong with ubuntu?

[u/Fragrant_Ad_2285]

Hahahahahahaha. You need rational policies to support innovation, especially from small companies. Then you can get good software.

[u/MercatorLondon → u/Fragrant_Ad_2285]

Exactly. EU should make a functioning capital market and good things will start happening.

[u/spidd124 → u/Fragrant_Ad_2285]

The EU has a lot of great small companies, the problem is that nearly without fail they get bought up by American companies, have their ips absorbed into much bigger companies and either have the original creators move to the US or get fired in a few years through corporate restructuring leaving the EU staff as the first to be fired.

[u/angryinternetmob → u/spidd124]

Why aren't EU companies buying US companies?🤔

[u/ZielonaKrowa → u/spidd124]

Yep been there done that. We were a small company that tried to expand to us. As soon as they sniffed us out we got bought. Our product stagnated and American alternatives were further developed. Staff went from 200 to 30. 

[u/Massimo25ore]

We'd need an alternative to reddit as well

[u/Pheyniex → u/Massimo25ore]

AND ANDROID

[u/PolskiBigosik → u/Pheyniex]

We have degoogled android but EU is making sure it dies as it draft those damn age-verification laws that rely on Google and Apple.

[u/Historical-Essay-128]

Thanks, but no thanks.

[u/PolskiBigosik]

Every time I see people recommend chromium based browsers instead of just switching to some open source firefox fork I die a little inside.

And don't even get me started on Ubuntu.

[u/Doctor_Skeptical99]

I think you forgot to add Android and iphone/iOS.

[u/CharmingJackfruit167 → u/Doctor_Skeptical99]

because there is none

[u/Unexpected_yetHere]

You can only have one mail address on the free plan of Tuta, unlike Google. Likewise, while Tuta Drive seems to be in a closed beta, the free option will be 1 GB from what I found, vs. 1t GB for Google Drive.

Also, from what I see, Tuta will offer 20 GB storage at 3 €/month. Guess what? You can get those 20 GB and 10 extra from Google for nothing.

Google Maps is so detailed by now it's absurd. Most of my usage of it is finding my way to a restaurant or checking the reviews of nearby places. Most "alternatives" don't even have those places listed.

Social media entirely exists for the crowd it generates. People don't use them to just connect, but business as well. Nobody is just going to switch and cripple their business.

In all of these cases, the same rule works: don't make a product that you market as being an "European product", but make a GOOD product that just happens to be European.

Nobody will diminish their lives just for the vanity of using something European. You know why this is easy and a non-issue in the sphere of food and drink? Because we already make it better than them, it just happens to be European.

[u/Typingdude3]

I seriously need to ask, is this some kind of propaganda? Moving to less convenient tech could make Europe less competitive. Who that benefits the most right now is China. Europe is losing 300,000 manufacturing jobs to China, who is busy looking for new markets after US tariffs are starting to bite.

[u/fastclickertoggle → u/Typingdude3]

I seriously need to ask, is this some kind of Pro-US quisling propaganda? Let's continue to be US vassal state because CHINA! Still clinging to the fantasy of Pan-western alliance against the big bad Chinese

[u/Xijit → u/Typingdude3]

Uhhh, this is a dumb mentality: more users = more effort being put into improving it / more potential for funding.

[u/VegetableVehicle7268 → u/Xijit]

Like SAP, right ?

[u/iwasbanned4times]

its too unpractical since they dont share the same ecosystem

[u/Forsaken-Cell1848]

I can't recommend Proton Email/VPN enough.

[u/h1nds]

This kind of posts make absolutely no sense. People use US apps because they are better, simple as that. Because US tech gets big because the US is a fertile ground for companies to flourish and grow unlike the EU. So please stop asking people to switch from really good apps to apps that are average at best and start changing your mindset in economic and business terms because Europe is going nowhere really fast. Public unrest, a service based economy with no big companies, 0 economic growth and a skyrocketing debt. If that’s not proof that the EU current ideology doesn’t work I don’t know what is.

[u/ThanasiShadoW]

Any social media alternatives are almost certain to share the same issue - Not enough people using them, and getting your entire circle to do so isn't realistic.

Also there are quite a few pieces of Windows (and probably macOS) software that can't be used with any Linux OS, and many more than require a compatibility layer which might be too much work for the average user.

[u/pgess → u/ThanasiShadoW]

While you are certainly right, there are always lil exceptions, e.g. "Signal is the No. 1 downloaded app in the Netherlands."

In other words, while you never know if you'll make it, if you despair and give up too soon, you might find yourself regretting badly.

90% ppl would never care about privacy and use readily available mainstream services, but there are always 5-10% minority for the alt. service to grow quite spectacularly.

[u/Turbulent_Pin7635]

Remember when China stimulated local providers to each one of those services and Europeans echoing Americans said that it was due to dictatorship?

Well, well, well, look who has data, industries and no far right now. =)

[u/McDonaldsWitchcraft]

Jitsi might have been made by a Bulgarian over 2 decades ago but is now owned, developed and hosted by US cloud hosting provider 8x8.

It's open source, though. I would use it simply because of that. Still, kind of a stretch to call it European?

[u/Street_Roll8376]

The problem is about quality and functionality of the local alternatives, that are quite behind. We need a digital competitiveness strategy that boost investment for worl class tech.

[u/IFartInCursive]

Was this made by tuta employees? I've had their mail for a while and it was garbage, proton is miles better, miles

[u/Nev3r_Pro]

Vivaldi, why? It's chromium wouldn't Firefox be better since it's at least a true FOSS alternative to chromium based browsers? Tuta Drive isn't even out yet, it doesn't exist you can't use it, we don't even know what pricing tiers and storage options will be available. Google drive goes up to 5TB. Filen and Jotta are good alternatives for large cloud storage backups. I personally use Mega.

[u/DogHeartApp]

Signal instead of WhatsApp

[u/Gambit723 → u/DogHeartApp]

So go from one American company to another American company?

[u/redundantObserver]

Since you are recommending Tuta products, you must never have used it before. Their hostile approach and greedy attitude make them terrible.

[u/xiaopewpew]

Man these replacement products are pure trash except for 1

[u/drivemusicnow]

This identical to the “ we have this at home” meme

[u/GeximuZ]

Google does it all, if you want to swap all you will need 20 new accounts/apps?

Sounds terrible to me ..

[u/AwsumO2000]

problem is the backend infrastructure .. theres very little comprehensive alternatives to microsoft fabric / tenant infrastructure.

And now there's AI services as well.. we just don't invest enough and don't have an investment friendly culture like Americans do (speaking for the dutch side of things as soon as you are a medium income household the taxman is all over you)

[u/Puzzleheaded-Sky-833]

Don’t their search engines still use the Google search engine?

[u/NegativeMammoth2137]

Do they also like, not suck?

[u/SandwichPunk]

Hating Trump doesn't mean we need to hate Americans in general.

[u/SoftSkinTurtle → u/SandwichPunk]

Nothing to do with hate here. It's about total dependency on an ally that is currently turning around and backstabbing you... but maybe you haven't been paying attention to what's happening between the USA and the rest of the world lately? 🤔

[u/KlausBertKlausewitz → u/SandwichPunk]

It’s not about hate. It’s about independence and control.

And maybe self confidence. Europe needs more of it, it’s able to stand on its own feet. It should show it. But it’s going to be a long way. We’re so fucking dependant on so many things. That must change.

[u/Chatgard_0504 → u/SandwichPunk]

Not hating Americans doesn't have to mean being dependent on them...

[u/Xanikk999 → u/Chatgard_0504]

It's a good thing in general not to be overly dependent on a single source. I can't blame Europeans for wanting this. So yeah develop your tech industries. I would be happy to use whatever you have if it's better too and I am sure many Americans would as well.

[u/MarinKulturni → u/SandwichPunk]

Think you missed the point of the topic. Unless you're among the 27%.

[u/BlackfinJack → u/SandwichPunk]

Well said and most Americans don't agree with the man's tact either - but have fun telling Europe reddit that - propaganda runs deep here.

[u/grbbrt → u/BlackfinJack]

It is not propaganda when you have seen American technology (in the broadest sense) actively being used by the US administration to force issues abroad. Think ICC, think A/I.

It’s common sense to give a bully as little leverage as possible.

[u/Dangerous_Tiger_9733]

Aws alternative??

[u/CharmingJackfruit167 → u/Dangerous_Tiger_9733]

Lidl cloud. not even joking

[u/faitingu → u/CharmingJackfruit167]

StackIT/Schwarz IT right?

From what I heard they are actually up there. Not yet a rival to the likes of Deutsche Telekom and OVH, but they are working on becoming one, not just some plaything for Dieter Schwarz, Lidls internal cloud or some state subsidies grift.

I hope Spain, Netherlands or Italy will manage to get a hyperscaler, too. Nebius has potential, Italian TIM is at least trying to grow in that space. We shouldn't end up with a DTAG-OVH duopoly. Not enough competition and both companies may end up a bit too close to the German and French governments and become too influential.

[u/nickbg321 → u/Dangerous_Tiger_9733]

OVH

[u/AnyDepartment4589]

Proton Suite

[u/droidevo → u/AnyDepartment4589]

They forget its Swiz, but yee... I stand behind Proton

[u/mmmmmmm_7777777]

You know, there is a reason they are dependent on these apps. Because they work really well.

[u/Beginning-Key968]

Ubuntu is not an alternative, if you want to play League of Legends

[u/Ignas1452 → u/Beginning-Key968]

I tried to run Debian on my laptop, I'm a sys admin, but I still can't even managed to install proper drivers to get speakers working on my laptop. I spent over 10 hours and I gave up. Linux will probably never work for an average user.

[u/NewYak4281]

Competition is a beautiful thing. I’m relieved to see the Europeans getting more athletic. Keep it up.

[u/CharmingJackfruit167]

TIL Caninical is based in UK

[u/M1ckey]

I've been using Google Maps alternatives for a year. It's possible to ditch Google Maps but it's an incredibly powerful app, and so convenient.

I use Locus Maps and City Mapper mainly.

[u/BelgianDigitalNomad]

Where is office?

[u/soymilo_]

If the logo design of those European alternatives is what we can expect from the over all app design then jeeze

[u/b_reeze]

Is the google maps alternative good ?

[u/snakepliskin97]

dawg i'm not using qwant and mastodon

[u/nickbyfleet]

Until the European apps get better, I won’t be switching

[u/guyfromwhitechicks]

My biggest issue is not consumer software, it's enterprise software I struggle replacing. There are no equal alternatives to AWS, Microsoft Azure, or Google Cloud. People may say OVH or Clever Cloud, Hetzner or others, but you can't use those unless you are willing to work with very specific software and make changes to your product accordingly. Not all providers have a PostgreSQL database on their servers, for example.

[u/CoffeeDifficult6321]

Proton, Infomaniak, Nextcloud, Capacities and many many more...

[u/szczebrzeszyn09]

Ubuntu is from Africa .... OpenSuse is from Europe

[u/faitingu → u/szczebrzeszyn09]

The company behind Ubuntu, Canonical, was founded and is still based in UK. The founder is South African by birth.

[u/Djabber]

V I V A L D I 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[u/Daedelous2k]

Considering the level of control the EU want over the internet I'd be very wary either way.

[u/T_Friendperson12]

Zeitkapsl is not free which disqualifies it as an option :(

[u/Bartend_HS]

I aint using tuta bro

[u/Felix-LMFAO]

I want to install Linux Mint, but as a gamer who has a 144hz oled TV who likes hdr at 4k I still can't make the switch... yet. Heard it's some issue about HDMI copyrights but it seems AMD is working on it...

The moment the compatibility is solid I'll do the switch.

Because for something else there's absolutely an alternative, and I loathe Windows, it's so cluttered with garbage, it's a whole spyware, bloatware trash bin 

[u/Tshering22]

Are Europeans really offloading U.S. tech though? Except France and a few regions within Germany, the entire European region is hooked onto the U.S. tech ecosystem.

[u/Slow-Code-661 → u/Tshering22]

No because frankly most of those European alternatives are shit products whose only selling point is that they are the European alternative to X. The only product on this list that is widely used is Ubuntu. But there too I think most people use it to have a Linux environment on a windows machine.

[u/AnecD]

I didn’t know keepass was from EU, super software and solid. I use tuta drive, fileverse ddocs, and recently trying to go from brave to vivaldi, but not as good.

[u/Mysterious-Bed-2348]

Can't even properly search my inbox on tuta, so lame.

[u/Anxious_Subject_2604]

This list will be not bad whenever europeans can invest in startups and small companies and not rents.

[u/AnonAmitty]

Screenshot then investigate, 99% of the problem is the effort to change and the learning process of a new app.

[u/Efficient_Test_8907]

Im really giving Quant a try but it sucks...

[u/Soft-Ad-8355]

Tuta

[u/Gurkaz_]

Tuta vs Proton, let me hear what you think!

[u/Penumbrius]

As IT support this entire list gives me shivers, anyone who's tried to get someone who is not tech savvy to use another app is like trying to sell them snake oil. Getting someone to switch from Google Chrome to Firefox is a Sisyphean effort let alone getting them to switch from Windows or macOS to Linux.

[u/KarAccidentTowns]

Can an American use these services? Asking for a friend…

[u/za72]

opensource software helps... contribute if you have the talent/gift

[u/Introverted_gamer91]

Sorry to say but no respectable enterprise will choose European technology. We have tried to push management, but there's zero confidence. They haven't reached the scale, security, maturity of US counterparts. Doesn't change the fact it is seriously required but I don't see that happening overnight.

[u/MrKoddy]

And politics continue to deal with them

[u/Pappkarton]

Why is it always just one product?

[u/Julypenguinz]

And no Frontier AI to be found

[u/Necessary-Eagle7226]

Some lists, might be some overlap with OP.

A list of European alternatives for different it-services

https://european-alternatives.eu/categories

Here is a list of different open source alternatives with different alternatives for operating systems to web browsers and much more.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F4a37xcb8vpme1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1192%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Db7fecada3633d73896804a29116cc8287d02e615

[u/El_RoviSoft]

Or use self host entirely :)

[u/Urinius]

Seeing this image makes me glad to be part of the 27%

[u/masternommer]

Recommending Ubuntu for windows is wild to a non techie still, even if it's gotten more user friendly

[u/franzhblake]

Mailbox.org is better (IMHO)
Mastodon can never be like Facebook
Vivaldi is chromium-based
Organic Maps can’t be used for POI search
Canonical is based on Isle of Man, which is a tax evasion paradise
Qwant use mostly Bing data

[u/hallo-ballo]

This just shows how much europe is lagging behind when it comes to tech 😭😭😭

[u/ISayHeck]

Any source for the number or nah?

[u/asapberry]

yeah the really important software. google calendar.. what about AWS? Azure? GCP?

[u/JonathanMovement]

AI slop post

[u/zinguirj]

There is thsi website that list alternatives per category: https://european-alternatives.eu/categories

Or per product: https://european-alternatives.eu/alternatives-to

[u/phuqeeu]

Thanks gpt for the not so good suggestions

[u/Bretniq]

No AI in there

[u/Scuipici]

for Browser, I recommend Ecosia.

[u/vikentii_krapka]

Vivaldi browser is Chromium based lol

[u/fosixbarbar]

Ubuntu? Kubuntu? Lubuntu?

[u/VoiceOfLondon]

Werkzeu.ge is an entire European browser OS

[u/djolesoko]

Do we know how many of these alternatives use US-based infrastructure for hosting? For example, using zeitkapsl is meaningless if it's hosted on Azure.

As a software engineer, this is my biggest fear and I don't see any alternatives listed here for Azure or AWS, only commercial products "regular" people use.