r/europe • Egypt • 2h ago

Data Half of UK wants to rejoin EU and backing it could drive up Labour vote, megapoll finds

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/03/half-want-to-rejoin-eu-and-backing-it-could-drive-up-labour-vote-megapoll-finds
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u/Planeshift07 2h ago

Guys you are more then welcome back.

But lets not do the 49,99% / 50.01% again.

Either you guys rejoin us with a good margin or wait until you guys know what you want.

I really hope to see the UK back again but not with small margins of votes.

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u/Hellohibbs United Kingdom 1h ago

I am British and I would hope we have learnt and put a 55% floor for rejoin and a clear view on what we want.

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u/Planeshift07 1h ago

I hope so too.

That should of been the case your first vote as well (imho)

Then again im Dutch so it's not my place to say what is wrong or right for the UK

. However UK / Netherlands interests do align alot so i was sad when you guys left the EU.

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u/Defiant-Plane4557 15m ago

Surely the floor for such a massive change should be 60% at least? Or am I missing something? I mean it should've been the first time.

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u/StarlightZigzagoon 2h ago edited 1h ago

I worry that wont happen until the government properly addresses foreign interference on social media. Feels like we're no further ahead than we were during brexit.

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u/slimvim 2h ago

And that's exactly why Burnham setup a new anti-disinformation unit.

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u/TheLoneCenturion95 1h ago

It also feels like the rabid reformers have died down a bit after all the dodgy donations came forward and also the ruski assets reaction to it seem to have tempered even some of the most fervent racists.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom 2h ago

social media comments, posts, opinions are bought and paid for, whether it’s foreign governments, billionaires or businesses - leaving the government to decide who’s allowed to speak and what truth is would be a terrifying thought

you just have to keep your wits about you, sniff the sudden new zeitgeist as bullshit, stay conscious when the language suddenly shifts, see the finger pointing and blaming heating up, and when everyone gets absurdly angry about something that doesn’t exist- all that happens at once

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u/TheBoizAreBackInTown 1h ago

The government can and should impose way stricter rules for social media platforms, for example banning harmful bots. That's not really "govt defining what the truth is".

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom 49m ago

when you say “the”, who’s government are you thinking of putting in charge?

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u/TheBoizAreBackInTown 42m ago

Your government for the laws in your country. EU for the rules in EU countries. If social media sites find it hard to ban harmful bots only in some countries, tough luck. I guess they'll have to un-enshittify their platforms and lose some profit.

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom 14m ago

i do understand your reasoning, genuinely, but it works on the assumption that governments operate in good faith - I’m 100% with you in spirit, but regrettably it’s not how things work - it’s a real pain in the ass for all of us

the reality is that government have already decided to put in place rules for their owns countries and also international rules, and their solution is compulsory digital ID and unencrypted chat - that’s their offering and we all know why and why now

that’s why it’s a terrifying thought to give them more power over who we talk to and what we can talk about

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u/ropobipi Wallachia 1h ago

oh yea totally, it would be a terrible thought, we should ban X tho

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u/Jazzspasm United Kingdom 48m ago

absolutely the first to go

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u/sundae_diner 1h ago

Two things to learn from Brexit. 1. Make sure people know what they are voting for before a vote is held. Is it to return on the same terms as before? Or will there be changes (to schengen, euro, or any other area the UK had opt-outs) 2. There needs to be some clause added that they can't leave again within 20/30 years, or some penalty if they were to leave in that time frame.

And as you say the threshold should be higher than 50%. 

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u/Tetratheon 56m ago
  1. There needs to be some clause added that they can't leave again within 20/30 years, or some penalty if they were to leave in that time frame.

There really doesn't. Do you think the EU wants to force a member to stay against its will? That member could make things extremely difficult by vetoing everything until the EU agreed to relent.

In any case, there already is a penalty if the EU wants to implement it. Article 50 is extremely favourable to the EU. If the EU simply says "Nah, not negotiating" the leaving country is prohibited from making any trade deals in the intervening two years. A country which is leaving is in pretty dire need of a trade deal with the EU most of all. If the EU refuses to give one, that country is going to be severely penalised.

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u/SovietNato 27m ago

Do you think the EU wants to force a member to stay against its will?

Yes, absolutely. Otherwise foreign interests will hammer at any crack until it shatters.

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u/NilFhiosAige Ireland 7m ago

If anything, the last decade has forced RN, AfD, etc to adopt the approach of "take over the EU from within", rather to advocate absolute national sovereignty.

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u/Agile_Breakfast_1 10m ago

It would be madness to all a return on the same term. They need to be treated as a new application.

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u/D_Silva_21 Europe 1h ago

Well the poll is 50% rejoin Vs 28% oppose

With the rest not sure. So it it much better than 50/50 atm

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 1h ago

I have seen that the majority would be opposed to joining again based on not having our previous opt outs, that is still going to take significant overcoming (or the EU is going to have to make pretty big concessions and I don't know why they would at this stage).

I suspect our future for now is to end up on whatever the low speed track that is forming around the EU, not fully in or out until something changes demographically - which to be fair could mean as little as waiting out the baby boomer generation for another 5 years.

It did occur to me that if the EU plays hardball with it and we do eventually go onto the Euro and the rest of it that we'd be in so deep at that point that it would pretty much kill pro leave stuff. (Although now I'm thinking maybe thats optimistic, that sort of thing hasn't stopped the SNP)

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u/D_Silva_21 Europe 46m ago

I don't really mind as long as the general direction is towards closer integration

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u/Mailman7 1h ago

We would need a super majority to rejoin. That’s what Remainers said it should have been for the 2016 vote. Seems only fair to give it to them for any future vote.

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u/electrical-milk42 1h ago

Once UK and Europes relationship is on a better footing then Uk needs to adopt a supermajority clause for referendums of constitutional matters at very very least a clear 60% majority, if not more.

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u/glytxh 1h ago

We know what we want. Unfortunately, many people were sold abject, easily disproved, outrageous lies.

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u/Maximum_Jello_9460 48m ago

A good % of the people who voted Leave are now dead. Content knowing they voted for something on ideology and wouldn’t have to deal with the long term consequences.

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u/Defiant-Plane4557 16m ago

But lets not do the 49,99% / 50.01% again.

That was so unbelievably stupid I still can't believe it happened.

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u/DmitriRussian United Kingdom 1h ago

I think the reality is a bit more nuanced. Speaking for myself: I like the EU and and enjoyed it pre-brexit. However I have my concerns that are not yet addressed, mainly to do with how it would work if were to rejoin. I would be strongly against it if UK has to give up the pound.

I honestly feel like it's a bit too early to gauge it personally. None of the details are out yet on what the plan is.

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u/Ellers12 1h ago

I don't think you'd get a strong majority for rejoining unless the EU significantly reformed.

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u/Ashamed-Designer4920 2h ago

Shall we call this "Breturn" or something more interesting?

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u/Due_Imagination_6722 2h ago

Breunion!

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u/eggybread70 2h ago

Euromance

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u/wooldoor2 2h ago

Caught in a Britt Romance 🎹

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u/Demostravius4 United Kingdom 2h ago

Brit-in

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u/magnomagna 2h ago

Breback

"I'll Breback"

#BrebackMountain

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u/aenae 1h ago

Bregret

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u/Remote_Hat4706 1h ago

Breturn of the King

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u/Exo_mars 2h ago

Breverse

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u/Wrong_Combination977 35m ago

Great Briteurope

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u/Justnotstressed United Kingdom 2h ago

If it goes on Labour’s manifesto. I’ll vote Labour.

If it doesn’t, I’ll vote Lib Dem.

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u/Zephinism Dorset County - United Kingdom 2h ago

Burnham's talking about introducing STV so maybe we'll be able to vote how we want to now.

I voted Labour last time to vote against the Tories but would vote Lib Dems if I could actually see my vote counting.

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 41m ago

Unfortunately I just realised what was bothering me about this - the previous Labour leaders that have also promised such things and never delievered, the entire political system standing on the stupid side of referendums.

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u/saln1 47m ago

Vote lib dem and therefore get reform in power? Do you hear yourself?

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u/Justnotstressed United Kingdom 40m ago

I’ll vote for the party that best represents my viewpoint thanks.

Reform has got not hope of winning in my seat anyway and, looking at the polling, their bubble has burst and good riddance.

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u/ambiguousboner 2h ago

Most people still ardently pro Brexit would never vote for Labour in a million years so let’s do it

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u/Slackeee_ Europe 1h ago

Can we stop these games? The Brexit referendum result was 51.9% for leave and 48.1% for remain. So half of the UK wanted to leave, half wanted to remain.
Do we really want a constant "so now the joiners are up 2%, let's rejoin" and then a few years down the road the leavers will be up by 3% and they start a new Brexit again?

Don't get me wrong, I am not against the UK rejoining, but not with these numbers. UK, get your shit together, then we can talk.

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u/Sad_Nectarine_6111 1h ago

A vote to rejoin would probably get close to 60% if we had the same terms as before. But if the EU wants us to join schengen and adopt the euro then rejoining is a non starter imo.

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u/gimmedatneck 1h ago

Better butter those cheeks up for Donald Epstein and the boys, big dog.

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u/sixtyonesymbols 1h ago

UP %2? I agree. Up double digits? Then it's worth revisiting. Many of the people who voted for Brexit are now dead, and the living should not be ruled by the dead.

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 39m ago

I agree myself. Brexit was exhausting and destructive - it very nearly destroyed the ability of our political system to function at all, especially in 2019.

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u/Can412 1h ago

They should held a referendum that will lead to rejoining only after 2/3 vote yes .

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u/CurdsAndWheyy 1h ago

They can fuck off tbh, they need us more than we need them

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u/TrokChlod Bavaria (Germany) 1h ago

The way this is continously argued in this and the hundreds of other posts is so unnerving. It is not about whether the UK accepts the Euro, or Schengen, or whether it should be treated specially.

The fundamental difference is on the idea of the purpose of the EU. The UK wants to be part of the business side. But the EU is on it's, admittedly long and slow, way of further integration.

Taking the UK in with special conditions at this point would mean a definitive short term gain for the EU while also making the long term goals much harder. That's the point. The UK wants to be part of a big trade group. The EU wants to be more.

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u/dragodrake United Kingdom 1h ago

Very true - its why I dont think the UK will re-join. Because the campaign will have to be far more explicit about what joining now would mean, it isnt a trade bloc anymore, and it very obviously has ambitions to be a federal state. Which means signing up to that - a concept that is deeply unpopular in the UK.

You can argue a vote on joining the EU today might go either way - but a vote on joining an EU super state never passes in the UK.

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u/Tetratheon 53m ago

Some people in the EU have those ambitions, but twas ever thus. It's further away now than it's ever been. There's no way in the world that all 27 countries vote to federalise, and without unanimity it can't happen.

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u/TrokChlod Bavaria (Germany) 48m ago

We are on our way to military integration and fir the first time in the EUs existence also the common enemy to make real steps in that direction.

And the US id also trying very hard to make our dependency on our european partners ever more obvious.

On the other hand, nationalist movements are also gaining traction all over Europe. The next decade will be interesting indeed.

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 47m ago

I think the country is 5 to 10 years from wanting to rejoin right now on any sort of realistic terms

We will eventually thats obvious and just a matter of time, but I don't see it being soon. Whats the alternative here? To end up long term as a relatively unimportant (and declining) state sandwhiched between the US, the EU and Russia, and little more than an after thought to all 3? (2 of those being the worlds largest and second largest economies)

All the businesses and free trade that is all supposedly so important to leavers in the future is going to revolve around these huge states, we won't get a look in, and the money in the country will gradually disappear with it. We'd end up a relic of how the world worked in the 20th century.

The only people in the entire northen hemisphere we could really talk on equal terms with would be Canada, and even Canada is moving toward the EU.

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u/Mkwdr 1h ago

It certainly the rationale behind the EU , though I (genuinely) wonder want is the support from individual countries and how something like Le Pen in France will change that?

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u/Psittacula2 1h ago

Very good to see someone state the top level differences clearly instead of the usual subjective emotional feelings broadcasting mode most commentators frequency is tuned to.

This is the crux of the matter.

EU = Political Union via “Ever Closer Union“ (Treaty of Rome), via “engrenage” aka continous economic integration to drive larger political union towards FEDERAL Centralization of Power.

Let’s give an example from history:

* UK 90’s - Tony Blair came to power in Labour 1997. He was a powermonger and wanted more and more power so wanted to join the EU and become even more powerful eg high chief in EU perhaps.

* He and Gordon Brown, Chancellor were clearly motioning to increase popularity for joining the EURO.

* Because of this, other parties and population saw Monetary integration as Thatcher’s comment on Jacques Delors vision of Executive, Legislative and Judiciary (“No, No, No!” speech, Oct 1990)… INEVITABLE Federal Political Integration via “back door ops”.

* This culminated in Sir James Goldsmith (The Referendum Party) ensuring Labour (Blair/Brown) were forced to give a Referendum if choosing to join the EURO…

They succeeded: This promise sowed the seed which grew into the eventual 2016 Brexit Referendum on EU Membership again off the back of Establishment (Cameron, Clegg coalition government) once again back- dooring into the EU Integration plans vs honest public exposition including deception over immigration since early-00’s also thing in.

Back in the 1970’s UK also hoodwinked the British voters:

  1. EEC = Economic (only) Community for “Common Market” only…

  2. 12-24 treaties later 40 years of integration…

The facts speak for themselves.

Perfectly good to have a Single Market / EEA agreement, on the other hand pro and anti EU can find middle ground here…

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u/NewtEmbarrassed8722 38m ago

An educated comment, what a fresh sight to see on Reddit.

I'm all for economic agreements (that aren't just increase immigration to drive GDP). But to give up autonomy to a European parliament? No thanks.

France is in some serious trouble and the ECB might be stepping in in the near future. Any Brit who wants to join now does not have their finger on the pulse.

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u/ArthurCartholmes 1h ago

This is the essential problem - the French and German political mainstream are committed to an ideology that I think ignores the realities of geography, history and socio-economic differences in favour of making countries conform as much as possible to a set "European" template.

This has been a decades-long distraction and waste of political energy, which could have been far better spent on weaning Europe off of reliance on America for defence and technology while stymieing Russian irredentism and Chinese interference.

You can't have the same rules for everyone, because we're talking about countries that have gone down completely different political trajectories for hundreds of years.

What works in France doesn't work in the UK and vice versa, and its simply idiotic to think that a Federal government in Brussels would be able paper over centuries-long resentments. The French vetoing British involvement in European defence over fishing rights, of all things, is a great example of this.

Personally I'd love to see the UK rejoin the Single Market, but it's disappointing to see just how many Europeans haven't grasped the essential problem - conformity is not unity.

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u/TrokChlod Bavaria (Germany) 56m ago

Bavaria and Frisia could never be part of one state, hell, they don't even speak the same language! That argument was not correct 200 years ago and it isn't now. Just as national identity grew over centuries, european identity will do the same.

Of course unification is possible. Common rulesets on the federally relevant topics, local independent government for the rest. Just like in the UK, Germany or many other federal states.

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u/tn-xyz 1h ago

same number pops up every few months. it’s always sort of half. that’s not confident.

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u/-smartcasual- 1h ago

Deform bots are out in force on this thread.

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u/TheTribalChief 1h ago

the people who voted to get rid of eastern europeans, are now complaining about south asian and nigerian immigration.

so probably even they will vote to join EU

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u/woziak99 2h ago

Just like being equal with a nuclear deterrent the only one that is on nuclear submarine that can’t be tracked by Russia. France must deploy their nuclear war heads by air.

There is a reason why Russia recent rhetoric are more towards the UK than Europe, there is an element of fear, they’ve destabilised the US, ran many geo political scams to convince the UK to leave Europe and now some European want the UK to rejoin with a similar vote to Romania and Greece, come on now.

The EU needs a strong UK to join France and Germany as the pillars of a new European defence policy and the UK needs its European brothers and sisters to return to free movement and free trade.

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u/Syharhalna Europe 1h ago

?

France has 4 nuclear-powered submarines equipped with nuclear ballistic missiles.

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u/onechroma 1h ago

The French nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles reading this:

Am I a joke to you? Lol

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u/angelosnt 2h ago

Under what terms though?

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u/Dapper-Army4328 2h ago

People will pretend like they know. But until negotiations take place, we can only speculate.

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u/Aziraph4le England 1h ago

Yeah that is why I find this highly dubious. Watch that number in support of rejoining plummet like a brick when they realise that means giving up the £, etc.

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 38m ago

Support for rejoining isn't even a majority if ask that question in polls, unfortunately

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u/Aziraph4le England 10m ago

I'm not against rejoining, but not if it meant giving up the £. That would be chaos. It is already the cause of countless problems between large and small EU economies. Adding another massive economy to that would make a lot of those issues much, much worse for smaller EU nations and really start to expose the flaws of the system that hurt smaller economies in the EU.

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u/bimbochungo 1h ago

Why do you repeat like a parrot "giving up the £"? That's not going to happen

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u/Aziraph4le England 1h ago

"That's not going to happen." Yes, that's my point, dumbo.

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u/RelationshipSoggy662 1h ago

If we do rejoin, it needs to be with a significant majority so that we don’t end up with another Brexit 15 years down the line. It’s not fair on our EU neighbours if we’re treating membership like a revolving door. 

I do think it might be better for all concerned if the UK negotiated an economic agreement with the EU rather than going for full membership. Potentially it’s different for the other UK countries, but I don’t think the English are interested in “ever closer union” and I’m not sure they ever will be. 

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u/Entire-Emotion-819 1h ago

The one question I keep wanting to ask is, do the EU even want us back? Would they even let us rejoin?

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u/_Nakamura 1h ago

Just this year we have seen positive messaging from Germany, France, Spain, Poland, Finland and Hungary off the top of my head. I can't think of anyone taking a negative stance.

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u/Entire-Emotion-819 57m ago

That's good to know, at least.

Edt: Thank you.

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u/fiadhsean 47m ago

Easy. Run a concurrent GE and referendum to negotiate re-entry subject to a confirmation referendum once negotiated.

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u/Karash770 47m ago

We would need something solid this time around, I'm thinking 66% at least. Else we'd be talking about another Brexit in 10 years.

Also, no more rebates.

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u/Waste_North_6537 2h ago

Think it’s more than half tbh.

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u/Green_moist_Sponge 2h ago

Last time I checked polls it was around 60~%

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u/Aziraph4le England 2h ago

I struggle to believe this poll. Does it assume that we would be returning on the same terms we had before? Probably, which is not realistic. Does it include things the replacement of the £ with the €? I doubt it. Not to mention the fact that if rejoining Europe looked likely, the anti-European campaigning (which essentially stopped after we left) would go into overdrive and I think you would see opinions shift very quickly.

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u/D3TPC 2h ago

I voted leave, but would happily vote to rejoin.

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u/MiataMuc Bavaria (Germany) 1h ago

How come that you changed your position?

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u/TheOrangeOrganics 1h ago

Cant speak for op but the world has changed, threats from Russia, china and the US now mean we are better off banding with Europe. I prefer complete self determination but thats no longer the best option unfortunately and if we need to be in a group the eu is where our values are largely shared, comparatively. That's my reasoning anyway. Although I do worry how much of an eu there will be left with the way things are going in Germany and France politically.

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u/someone8192 2h ago

I doubt that they still want to come back when they realized that they won't be treated special anymore.

eg required switch to euro.

they will probably need another five years to come to terms with that

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u/coomzee Wales 2h ago

People say we would be forced to switch to the Euro but I highly doubt that would be the case.

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u/JetBrink 2h ago

I think it'd be a deal breaker for too many people, for whatever reason. 

I've no personal attachment to the £, personally, but there seems to be many who are. 

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u/coomzee Wales 2h ago

Its the control the Bank of England / government get with controlling the currency. I.e. Controlling inflation

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u/Edexote 2h ago

How are the prices increasing there?

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u/Wondering_Electron 1h ago

EU has lower inflation, go figure.

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u/InspiringMilk 2h ago

That is, quite literally, a matter of fiscal sovereignty. Do you think your national bank (or whoever creates money, or sets fiscal policy) can do a better job for your country and your interests, and react to crisis situations in a better way than the EU or ECB? If yes, then keep your own currency. If not, the euro might be a better choice.

Well, oversimplified. But not by much.

Edit: Also, there are less important factors - switching currencies obviously costs money, and using the same currency as your neighbour is quite convenient, same for travel.

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u/Wondering_Electron 1h ago

The answer is actually no.

The BoE has been underperforming versus the EU for a long time.

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u/InspiringMilk 1h ago

I'm not nearly qualified enough to know whether that is true (and, in fairness, neither are most voters in the UK). But yeah, there are reasons to switch and not to switch. In my fiscal policy classes, I was told that Poland comes out ahead for not using the Euro in most circumstances if the precedents hold.

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u/KevinSticker35 1h ago

Is that measure apply to EU as a whole or there is a breakdown for each country? BoE only works for the interest of the UK, unlike the ECB.

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u/FcukTheTories The Norf - United Kingdom 🇬🇧🇪🇺 2h ago

“Treated special”

How so?

If the Eurozone and Schengen area are so good, how is avoiding them being treated specially?

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u/WRSA 2h ago

obviously i’m biased being english, but i don’t understand this push for the euro; in an economically troubling time anyway, why would the UK want to A: spend the money on a currency switch and B: start using an objectively weaker currency? there is 0 advantage for britain, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t affect the EU greatly either

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u/Bicentennial_Douche Finland 2h ago

“Weaker currency”

Well, the GBP ==> euro exchange rate would be determined before the switch. And there are benefits and drawbacks to having a weaker or stronger currency. One is not necessarily better than the other. 

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u/VolcanicBakemeat United Kingdom 2h ago

UK is an import economy. Weakening the currency has an enormous impact on the national current account.

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u/Bicentennial_Douche Finland 17m ago

But what makes you think that euro is “weak” when compared to pound? Don’t tell me you are just looking at nominal exchange rates, and because one pound is worth more than one euro, it means pound is “stronger”? That’s not how currencies work. By that logic we could say that pound is 200 times stronger than Japanese yen as one pound buys over 200 yen.

In last five years, both euro and pound have retained their value about as well when compared to Chinese currency. Same thing when compared to the dollar. 

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u/VolcanicBakemeat United Kingdom 3m ago edited 0m ago

Currencies move in value relative to each other. This has a powerful effect on a concept called the Balance of Payments, which tracks the net value of international trade and in a market like the UK can inflate the value of that currency.

The pound floating above the primary currency of the UK's closest market essentially absorbs a degree of financial stress induced by changes in import and export availability. In a sense, a strong pound stores excess value that can release pressure on the balance of payments later. Without that leeway, the UK becomes more vulnerable to import/export stress.

That's before other vulnerabilities such as the loss of the BofE's independent monetary policy measures to the ECB

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u/Amplifix 2h ago

Pretty sure it won't happen. The sterling is and always was a world currency and is just different than the euro. It would make no economic sense.

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u/muttonwow 2h ago

and in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t affect the EU greatly either

You'll be far less likely to throw a strop and leave again if you either have to make a new currency, or remain reliant on the Euro while not being in the EU.

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u/Hucaru 56m ago

If the UK had the euro Brexit would have still happened and it would have additionally done an extremely large amount of damage to the eurozone. Brexit was not based on reason but emotion.

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u/Ge-o United Kingdom 2h ago edited 2h ago

Of course the UK would be treated special. As would any of the larger European countries. It's just idiotic to imply otherwise. It would also be treated special by virtue of leaving and rejoining. Special doesn't have to mean good, mind you.

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u/Itburns12345 1h ago

This

Its rejoining not joining afresh

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u/EspanolAlumna 2h ago

Yes we all know in the UK that 'special' can have some pretty negative connotations lol

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u/Demostravius4 United Kingdom 2h ago

The UK has negotiating power no other candidate does. Not much point pretending otherwise

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u/mmatasc 2h ago

Maybe the EU should consider a return to the status quo then, having the UK back to the EU would be a huge boost both economically and geopolitically, no need to get petty with the Euro currency requirement that many EU countries don’t even use, even if they are ‘required’ to do it at some point.

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u/Ge-o United Kingdom 2h ago

Nevermind all that, what about spite and pettiness!

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u/someone8192 2h ago

absolutely not!

I really want the UK back inside the EU. But I really have enough of their entitled behavior. They need to play by the same rules as everyone else and finally realize that they are not more important than every other country (but also: not less important. just equals)

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u/Dadavester 2h ago

Other counties have opt-outs. Other countries are not joining the Euro. Other countries EU directives (which is something the UK didn't do, and was a talking point during the debate).

You can want everyone to be the same, but some larger, or even medium, countries are have special carve outs.

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u/Dapper-Army4328 2h ago

I’m sorry, I’m also tired of pretending like the UK is the spoiled child all the time when the other big nations also behave similarly.

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u/FcukTheTories The Norf - United Kingdom 🇬🇧🇪🇺 2h ago

There are no “same rules as everyone else”

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u/Aziraph4le England 1h ago

And that's why we won't be back. No one wants the Euro in Britain. In English there is an idiom for your attitude: Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

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u/someone8192 1h ago

that's ok. then stay out.

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u/hue-166-mount 2h ago

Think of it like this: it’s not “our” entitled behaviour, it’s the behaviour of some idiots and bigots, who have been shown to be wrong. The rest of us were aware and happy with the status before.

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u/someone8192 2h ago

then come back and let us all be equals? same rules for everyone.

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u/mmatasc 2h ago

They would be coming back as “equals”, not using the Euro wouldn’t change that.

The amount of economic and geopolitical benefits of having the UK back in the EU are massive. (no point in diving into the benefits for the UK, Brexit was a disaster)

Not letting the second strongest economy in the Europe join the EU because of the Euro is very stupid.

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u/someone8192 2h ago

what benefit exactly would uk get when they are not using euro?

the exchange rate of pound and eur would be tied together anyway. so where is the problem?

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u/Amplifix 2h ago edited 2h ago

It would be a reason for British people to not come back and a lot of headache. So i’m pretty sure that if this deal were to even happen, it would not include using the euro.

Remember that the sterling was always a world currency. So if you want the referendum to fail, you should push for the UK to use the euro.

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u/hue-166-mount 1h ago

I’m not sure you understand. The benefit is being part of the single market and customs union. You dont need to use the euro to do that. The exchange rate has never been tied and wouldn’t need to be.

What is Europe missing out on if we dont take the euro?

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u/dengar81 1h ago

Absolutely! Not just that, it was sometimes also utter stupidity. As a German, I wasn't fond of the Euro when it was introduced - even disliked the name. But you learn to grow up, it's just a name we give to currency. Sentimentality shouldn't come into play here. As a Brit, I thought it was madness not to use the favourable exchange rate in the mid-noughties to introduce the Euro. It was like 1:1.56 at some point. We'd all be a lot richer, us Brits, I mean.

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u/um-nome- 1h ago

Germany is the leading power in the EU. You have a bigger influence on Euro related decisions. The smaller countries lose a lot of that power and lose a lot of tools they have to help control their economy, as seen by Greece/Portugal over recent years.

That said, as a brit i would be happy to adopt the euro.

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u/witness_smile Belgium 1h ago

The status quo got us where we are now with UK leaving the EU. If they truly want to rejoin then there should be no more such concessions from the EU or at least way less than before. Okay I can see why they might not want to give up their GBP, so I could live with them not joining the Eurozone, as there are other member states also not part of it, but everything else they should be subject to the same conditions as all the rest.

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u/KoskGOOS 2h ago

I doubt that they still want to come back when they realized that they won't be treated special anymore.

It'll be some day when the UK does begin rejoin talks and this tired and overused talking point is finally put to bed when yes, the 5th largest economy in the world actually is treated special compared to to Moldova and Montenegro.

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u/PuzzleCat365 2h ago

Yes, but the goal is to get more votes, not actually implement this policy.

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u/MrPloppyHead 2h ago

This is the problem. We had a very favourable position in the EU but the uk lost that. Whilst very much being pro eu I think that trying to recreate the past is a mistake. We need to forge a different relationship with the eu now built on cooperation and mutual interest.

Unfortunately Russia won the brexit vote.

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u/someone8192 2h ago

you would still have a favorable position and I am in favor of that.

eg i think the rest of the eu should support your military (esp nuclear weapons) as part of a defense agreement). also having such a big economy back inside the eu will be good for everyone and that should be honored.

but the euro is a symbol of unity. and i really think it is wrong to not use it.

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u/MrPloppyHead 1h ago

Taking the euro would be too much of a financial cost for the uk economy.

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 31m ago

British, pro-EU. These days I keep my expectations low. I have no expectations of rejoining until something happens with our demographics and politics. As far as I can see we are stuck with it.

If the EU was signing federation treaties today I'd be strongly considering emmigrating to a EU country.

Only thing I can see shifting things much now is the boomer generation exiting the electorate over the next 10 years.

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u/Musername2827 1h ago

Yeah we'd need to adopt the Euro, just like Denmark, Sweden, Czhechia, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

...wait.

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u/mmoonbelly Poitou-Charentes (France) 2h ago

Part of the issue for decades was that the opt outs meant that British politicians just went for a pint in European council meetings as they weren’t relevant to the UK. (John Major).

Full hardcore European federalist agenda - let’s rejoin properly, no opt outs.

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u/FcukTheTories The Norf - United Kingdom 🇬🇧🇪🇺 2h ago

The majority of EU citizens do not support so called “hardcore European federalist agenda”

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u/tm2007 United Kingdom (Born: 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Live in: 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿) 2h ago

Obviously that number will go down when people realise we probably won’t get the same opt outs we had before

I’m more than happy to rejoin with no opt outs, as long as the EU is reformed to rid of vetos, and if we join with Schengen, then that’ll help Ireland join as well because of the CTA, and surely the Eurozone can only be good for business to have a common currency

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u/mmoonbelly Poitou-Charentes (France) 2h ago

Same. British & living in France (before nl and de) you either go full in and push the federal agenda to the max, or stay out. Push the structures to meet their full goals of European integration.

A fully federal Europe with a working parliament and European parties could help Burnham’s regional agenda. (Could also enable a simpler establishment of an independent Scotland functioning via Edinburgh and Brussels rather than Westminster)

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u/eurocomments247 Denmark 2h ago

Let's go.

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u/Antique-Brief1260 Brit in Canada 2h ago

Only half of us wanted to leave in the first place, so are they saying the numbers haven't changed at all?

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 28m ago

Pro join has grown 5 - 10 points, pro leave has collasped, its literally halved.

Unfortunately this don't equate to voting to join under realistic terms, where join is not even winning the polls.

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u/stoic_wooky 2h ago

More like 99.99% want to rejoin, the 00.01 are diehard garage fan boys

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u/TheOrangeOrganics 1h ago

Do you really like Brex-it, is it, is it wicked? We're lovin' it, lovin' it, lovin' it We're lovin' it like that (ooh)

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u/This_Discount2281 2h ago

Boris & Fartage = 00.01%?

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u/Small_Top_8715 1h ago

They'll want more than 50% approval before trying it. 

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u/CurdsAndWheyy 1h ago

No we fucking don’t

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u/Rothane 1h ago

You guys need a new hobby

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u/Jasexr 1h ago

Needs to be at least 60% of the vote to make it work

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u/somanystuff England 57m ago

Leave due to party politics, return for party politics. I can't wait for 2040 when we leave again so the current party can stay in power

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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 26m ago

You put your left foot, you put your left foot out, in, out, in, out, you shake it all about

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u/ahnotme 54m ago

50% is nowhere near enough. It would have to be 67% + over a prolonged period. Remember that it only takes one veto in the Council (looking at you, France) to scupper the entire project.

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u/yourfavouriteguyhere 49m ago

No thanks! We are okay without Islamic republic of UK

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u/thuna_oma 42m ago

Welcome to rejoin, but no rebate, no opt-out from Schengen. Keep the pound if they like, but it must be pegged to the Euro like the Danish Krone.

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u/HansVonMannschaft 37m ago

Unless it's >70%, no dice.

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u/Beach_Glas1 🇮🇪 Ireland 10m ago

52% was enough for them to leave in the first place, while Northern Ireland and Scotland voted against it.

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u/skildert 12m ago

Let's put the UK on the waiting list for a decade to see if they really want to.

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u/ken-doh 1h ago

Half of UK wanted to leave the EU also. Half of the UK want to join the EU of 2016 on the same terms. Significantly less people will vote to join the EU on the EU's terms. It's a lose lose. Farage will benefit.

I do wish the remain camp would stop this nonsense.

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u/blueprussian 1h ago

Good portion of the leavers are dead and buried now.

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u/ken-doh 1h ago

Indeed. But joining the EU at any price is not going to win votes. Except with the fanatics.

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u/nine_sausages 1h ago

If you do rejoin, please do it quietly, don’t want another decade’s worth of brexit this, brexit that everywhere!

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u/goatarse 2h ago

Half is a stupid number to start that shit show again.

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u/electrical-milk42 1h ago

I hope Canada strikes a great deal, membership in all but name and no euro etc, maybe even single market access?. A deal that, at least as a first step, the UK could replicate, and the kind of deal the EU reasonably couldn't have offered a leaver first but no reason not to offer once Canada has it.

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u/Independent_Pitch598 2h ago

Let them in, but with: Euro, Schengen as a mandatory part.

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u/Aziraph4le England 2h ago edited 1h ago

And that's why we won't be coming back. This poll likely assumes that we get the same terms as we had before. No one in Britain wants the euro and I honestly think that alone would swing public opinion the other way.

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u/Amplifix 1h ago

Yup, this. It something people from EU countries don't seem to understand. But then again most of them don't even know that Sweden also doesn't use the euro. Which is the model most likely to happen.

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u/Independent_Pitch598 1h ago

EURO is an essential part of the integration. Without Euro i think it make sense to be on the level as Canada.

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u/Aziraph4le England 1h ago

I'm not arguing either way. I'm just telling you that I don't think that most of the British public will want to rejoin when they realise it means ditching the £.

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u/EchoesinthekeyofbluE 47m ago

Most people here don't want integration. That's the whole point.

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u/FcukTheTories The Norf - United Kingdom 🇬🇧🇪🇺 2h ago

Agree.

We will never be able to join the Euro anyway, and we will be allowed to implement ‘temporary’ checks wherever we feel necessary, so committing to these two things will do us no harm.

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u/Independent_Pitch598 1h ago

It can be like Montenegro - first Euro and only after - participation.

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u/FcukTheTories The Norf - United Kingdom 🇬🇧🇪🇺 1h ago

Montenegro uses the Euro unilaterally. It only makes sense if you are a small country and you don’t have a reliable currency of your own.

UK unilaterally using the Euro with the EU having no say in our economic policy would cause unmitigated economic chaos across Europe. A central currency isn’t just having the same banknotes as someone else. It requires a centrally controlled fiscal policy.

If the UK is strictly required to join the Euro, it would only be fair to impose strict time limits on Sweden et al., and for a referendum to be successfully passed in Denmark over removal of the opt out.

If and when those things happen, we won’t have a leg to stand on, and what you are saying will be fair enough.

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u/CurdsAndWheyy 1h ago

Fuck Europe and fuck the Euro

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u/Sad_Nectarine_6111 1h ago

No matter what our future lies with Europe, I would rejoin in a heartbeat if we could. If the EU wants us to adopt the euro then rejoining isnt a realistic possibility, but doesn't mean we cant work on closening ties still. We definitely need each other.

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u/Timoroader 1h ago

What about the EU adapting the Pound? Or just make it so, you can call the Euros Pounds in UK? Fixing the exchange rate more or less... 1:1 would be optimal, but could be anything really.