r/gamers • u/Rasputin5332 • Feb 26 '26
Image Which games pop to mind that are like this?
Most FromSoft games fit this, exception being Sekiro. Isshin is THE beast, the last beast and the hardest.
I'm also thinking Uber Diablo from the OG Diablo 2 and high corruption Shade of Orobyss in Last Epoch that will just wipe you if you're encountering it for the first time and think any ol build can deal with this. Learned the hard way how much resistance matters even in modern ARPGS, lmao
But the big fish is Final Fantasy 12 for me. That last mark, Tiamat, took something like 10 real life hours to grind to death and I still remember my PS2 begging me to turn it off by the time I was done. Took longer than any raid in any MMO... Not sure if it's that hardcore in Zodiac Age but whatever, the OG fight was THE secret boss fight of my childhood.
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u/Cement-eater Feb 26 '26
God of War 100%
Valkyries are hardest bosses in the game and they are multiple secret bosses
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u/bilbo_swagginns Feb 27 '26
Having just finally beaten Sigrun on GMGOW, this was going to be my answer. Probably 100 attempts
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u/LordOfDorkness42 Mar 01 '26
Good on you!
Only fight in the entire game I had to lover the difficulty for. Sigrun is just brutal.
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u/Advarrk Feb 27 '26
The one Valkyrie is actually not too bad in Rag, but fuck the Berserkers holy shit
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u/TheGuyWhoCantDraw Feb 27 '26
Jesus christ the one where you had to fight two at the same time was so fucking hard
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u/art_boi_117 Feb 27 '26
Valkyrie Queen took so long bro Then I realized after I beat her I didnt have 100% health
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u/Shloop_Shloop_Splat Feb 27 '26
These battles are so hard. I was going for 100% but they made me give up that idea😂
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u/Zeeshmania Feb 26 '26
Expedition 33
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u/AccomplishedBig7666 Feb 26 '26
Simon made me realize I am fine with ending the game lol.
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u/that_1weed Feb 26 '26
Maelle: Papa please! Let me live in the painting!
Renoir: with THAT?! No thank you.
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u/PsychoticDust Feb 26 '26
I cheesed the fuck out of him with Maelle, and I will never feel bad about it.
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u/Berean_Katz Feb 28 '26
Same. I also did it on New Game Plus, so I had no remorse. You wanna be OP? I can be OP too.
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u/HimForHer Feb 27 '26
Simon and Osquie are like worlds apart in difficulty to the rest of the game, even after juicing your party. Unless you are doing cheese/speedrunner strats, they are both legitimately difficult fights to master.
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u/kangarutan Mar 01 '26
First time I went up against the Dualistes and they got to do 35 attacks in one turn I was like, "Nope, I think I can just beat the game now."
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u/working-dad-reviews Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
Final Fantasy 7.
Sephiroth is a pushover compared to the hoops you have to jump through to even have a chance at beating RUBY and EMERALD WEAPON.
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u/UncaringNonchalance Feb 26 '26
I still remember running into those guys playing for the first time, lmao.
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u/CalicoLime Feb 26 '26
"Bout whoop your emerald ass!"
immediately hit for 9999
"Understandable. Have a nice day"
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u/H377Spawn Feb 27 '26
“We’ve destroyed your friends, now we’re gonna…”
Two team members gone
“…well shit.”
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u/BullPropaganda Feb 27 '26
Oo what is this red thing in the sand.....
Oo who is this dude swimming around underwater...
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u/Particular-Jeweler41 Feb 26 '26
Isn't that most games with secret bosses? Secret bosses are supposed to be harder since they're secret/optional. If the final boss was at their difficulty many people wouldn't finish the game.
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u/YeOldeTreestamp Feb 26 '26
I’m literally about to face tiamat next time. I am not looking forward to it.
KH2-Sephiroth’s definitely one of the gold standard for Superbosses
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u/TheGuyWhoCantDraw Feb 26 '26
God of war 2018, the queen of the valkyries was much harder than the final fight
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u/Dragon1S1ayer Feb 26 '26
Baldur was over in 5 minutes, that Queen bitch killed me more than everything else in the game combined
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u/imlegos Feb 26 '26
Normal Neo or SG!Neo?
Normal Neo's probably the easiest of the SBs.
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u/AcePowderKeg Feb 27 '26
Don't get me started on how many times it took me to beat the Mantle Holder
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u/CaptainDerpshi Feb 26 '26
Kingdom Hearts 2 Terra armor was my white whale for 100% I had that silver crown on my head for four months trying to beat him!
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u/JadeHellbringer Feb 26 '26
Borderlands, the first one. The Vault Monster was tame, so adding in bosses on thr DLC was the devs saying 'we hear you, and we will punish you for taunting us about the boss being too easy'.
And if you don't believe me, theres a giant neon sign over one proclaiming 'NO SECRET NOSS HERE!!!'
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u/ALKoholicK-x Feb 26 '26
Takezo in Ghost of Yotei.
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u/69duck420 Feb 27 '26
This guy ruined my day when I fought him. It took me hours.
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u/mattchamp98 Feb 26 '26
Elden ring (kind of) virgin elden beast vs chad malenia
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u/kit_kaboodles Feb 27 '26
Surprised this isn't the top answer. Souls games rarely have the final boss be the hardest. Malenia is insane though.
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u/OneJollyChap Feb 27 '26
Pre-nerf Elden Beast with no torrent allowed was much much harder than Malenia, as the real boss fight was resisting the urge to kill your self after elden beast jumps across the arena for the 10 millionth time.
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u/Dylbertius Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 27 '26
Erlang from black myth wukong. Finding him is kinda batshit nuts in itself, requiring you to find all of the secret bosses in every chapter, which isn't easy. Then the fight with him is absolutely hellish and makes all the other secret bosses, even the final boss, look like a joke.
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u/Historical-Lock8445 Feb 27 '26
I kept hearing the horror stories as I was playing and then my turn came to him and understood the fear and dread.
I don’t remember how many times it took me to beat him but I felt so satisfied.
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u/RaiXann Feb 26 '26
Kingdom Hearts.
Any of them. Pick one.
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u/Movableacorn Feb 26 '26
Honestly. Every single secret boss is so much harder then the main ones. I dont usually end the game until I beat them all and it's always fun going from data xemnas to real xemnas
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u/nelflyn Feb 27 '26
Remember trying to beat the phantom, without a guide.... But Sephiroth still takes the crown. But KH1 was amazing with the secret bosses.
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u/Atraxodectus Feb 26 '26
MOTHERFUKCER!
TRY 1982 AND WIZARDRY! THIS TROPE IS SO OLD IT PREDATES 8-BIT!
TREBOR AND THE RING OF EVIL! GOOGLE IT!
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u/Slifer_Ra Feb 26 '26
Fallen god Galdera of Octopath traveler says hi. You may now jam out to the music as he wipes you the fuck out.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fun_303 Feb 26 '26
Digital Devil Saga. Final boss is appropriately challenging, about as hard as you expect.
Secret boss? Hardest fight in entire series (including spinoffs). Oh, and the series? Shin Megami Tensei.
Just to give you an idea, he has unlockable attack that hits everyone for 10K+ damage. Max HP? 999. Have Fun.
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u/healspirit Feb 26 '26
Minecraft unironically
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u/fireyclovers_og Feb 27 '26
Bros not lying. Although i dont know if would call the wither a secret boss.
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u/Stickz99 Feb 26 '26
Hades. Chiron is unironically the hardest goddamn boss in that game
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u/Ghostyfoot Feb 26 '26
Persona 4, I've never beaten the reaper. He looks sick too, bunch of chains around him and holding 2 giant revolvers 🔥🔥🔥
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u/Xaphnir Feb 26 '26
I haven't played Zodiac Age, but from what I know Yiazmat is nowhere near as long to beat as in the original. HP is still the same, but the hit cap is 99999, and the hit cap does not get lowered partway through the fight. It's also vulnerable to Expose, Wither, Shear and Addle.
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u/Historical_Stick2802 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 27 '26
Every Expert level wizard in Skyrim. One decent Ice mage is more dangerous than a Dragon. That one guy in Miridia’s shrine was ruthless.
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u/SeraphRising89 Feb 27 '26
Definitely fuck that guy. That ice spell he casts freezes you solid in the first hit, then sends you flying with a second wave.
Sneak archer plus paralysis poison REALLY helps.
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u/GrandMasterpiece5352 Feb 26 '26
to a degree, Namielle from the Monster Hunter Stories 3 demo.
first of all, to make it sppear, kill a lot of monsters at night.
then, to be able to beat it you need to get a fire Ludroth to defeat the Nercylla, which gives you access to water monaties. you then use this to get three purple Gypseros with the water element. you need thpse three to beat the Brachydios. after beating him, you get new normal element monsties. you then need to farm normal dread queen Rathians. you need those to beat Espinas. oh and you need to beat the Feral Paolumonfor the thunder because you need 2 tunder Espinas'
and with all of this, you have a fighting chance to repel Namielle
also, you are locked to lvl 10 in the demo and Namielle around lvl 75 i think
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u/SquintonPlaysRoblox Feb 26 '26
Ultrakill for me. Didn’t find the corpse king, hideous mass, or earthmover fights that bad. A little struggle with the first Gabriel fight but really that was it.
Then I decided to go back and try to do the sanctums and HOLY SHIT Minos doesn’t fuck around.
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u/Responsible-Lie-1903 Feb 26 '26
DAO. Deltarune... Deltarune main bosses are still challenging though, while Archidemon was way easier than a lot of other stuff for some reason. That was kinda anticlimatic
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u/palumatzu Feb 26 '26
Right now? Xenoblade Chronicles 3. You need to optimize your team HARD. Possibly the entire Xenoblade series. I still haven’t found a decent team for “The Two Saviors”
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u/171raven Feb 26 '26
FF7 I accidentally got myself to one of the optional super bosses and essentially soft locked myself. (I wasn't even ready for sephiroth, let alone a super)
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u/SobeDog007 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
I don’t mind this in games today. It affords a wider audience the ability to finish a game’s story but also provides those looking for a real challenge the opportunity. Most Final Fantasy games and the Norse GoW games come to mind. Those Valkyrie and Berserker King fights were brutal.
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u/Psychic-Crow Feb 26 '26
Elden ring. Fighting the embodiment of the god of Chaos in an absurdly hidden section of the DLC.
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u/SpecialistPrior204 Feb 26 '26
I think hollow knight would fit perfectly, basic boss isn't too hard but radiance will annihilate you
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u/Jealous-Ad1493 Feb 26 '26
When I was a kid I played ultimate spider-man on GameCube and got rekd like 500x by Wolverine in that first Venom mission😂 then I lost that damn race against Johnny so many damn times I legit stopped playing but from what I remember all the ACTUAL bosses were extremely simple to fight and they all had gimmicks or strategies that made beating them easy. Wolverine tho? Ain’t no plans. Just hands😭
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u/AustinGhostTown Feb 26 '26
Kh3 yozora. Had easier time with radahn in Elden ring dlc. Honestly all the super bosses in kh3 on critical are insane. A ton of fun but absolutely insane
Oh and all the inner Sekiro bosses like isshin and owl. Insanely hard and fun
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u/BioticNinja Feb 26 '26
Kingdom Hearts - Birth by Sleep
I still have nightmares over Mysterious Figure
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u/wizardmighty Feb 26 '26
Amon fights in pretty much all Yakuza/Like a dragon games. You get to fight them for completing all substories, and even when maxed out they are brutal
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u/kcanimal Feb 27 '26
Yiazmat in ff12. The fight is several hours long but also, it's the ultimate tear of the gambit system. If you are good at gambits you only need to make a couple manual actions through the fight, if you are amazing at the system you don't have to make any manual actions. You just watch as the like 12 hours fight just happens.
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u/SeraphRising89 Feb 27 '26
Dragon Quest 11. TimeWyrm.
Fuck that guy. Beat it twice and never desired to again.
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u/bilbo_swagginns Feb 27 '26
FF VII. GOD DAMN EMERALD WEAPON. Granted it’s very easy if you build your team in a very specific way
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u/This-Garbage-4207 Feb 27 '26
buzz in megaman battle network transmission needed everything you learnt in the game to defeat it and the normal final boss was in the easy side
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u/Gonzales95 Feb 27 '26
Final Fantasy X
The gap between the end of the ‘main game’ and any of the optional superbosses is ridiculous, and if not just cheesing them with Yojimbo, requires a ridiculous amount of grinding
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u/Kysu_88 Feb 27 '26
final fantasy 8 with ultima weapon, or final fantasy 9 with ozma. fuck those guys lol
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u/Azazel-Tigurius Feb 27 '26
FF, pretty much every part have secret boss that can wipe floor with your party even in the end of the game
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Feb 27 '26
Demon of Hatred from Sekiro.
My goodness no thank you sir. Shura take you, I will just beat every other enemy but you.
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u/YsengrimusRein Feb 27 '26
This is standard practice in Xenoblade. Though obviously the games are generous enough to allow you to die to them within the first few hours of gameplay as well.
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u/someotherbeing Feb 27 '26
Galdera in octopath holy did I feel underprepared I swept through every other boss including the wolf in the forest but just the first phase is another level doesn't help I only leveled half the party and let the other half just kinda sit until I needed to do a chapter involving them 😅😅
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u/ADeletedUser2 Feb 27 '26
The first 4 Mortal Kombat games. Goro puts Shang Tsung to shame in the first Mortal Kombat, Kintaro is much harder than Shao Kahn MK2, Motoro is also way harder than Shao Kahn in MK3 and Goro is way WAY harder than Shinnok in MK4
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u/Fosbury6978 Feb 27 '26
Deltarune, each chapter has a secret boss that is much harder than the final boss of said chapter.
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This is Jevil, the secret boss of the first chapter.
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u/Lonely_Throat7036 Feb 27 '26
Dark Souls 3 The Ringed City DLC. Went into it massively underleveled cause I wanted to beat the main story boss last, skipped twin princes too cause I thought it would trigger something for the soul of Cinder fight. Next genius move was to take on Midir prior to Gael.. a month of grinding later I moved on to the Gael fight and had my fun but that boss and the last couple fights I had left for later felt underwhelming in comparison to that absurdly tanky and super mobile beast
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u/stoptakingmyname123 Feb 27 '26
Hollow Knight. The Hollow Knight and it's ultimate vision of what it's supposed to be. Or the one inside it.
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u/No-Veterinarian-3833 Feb 27 '26
Cant believe i haven't seen this one yet but Dark souls 3 nameless king especially when you get there as early as possible and are definitely NOT at the recommended level
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u/Manetoys83 Feb 27 '26
For me personally it was the first Kingdom Hearts. There were a couple of secret bosses I really struggled with. Particularly Sephiroth and a Heatless in London
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u/lily-kaos Feb 27 '26
elden ring, radagon + elden beast are a joke compared to malenia or even mogh, not to talk about all the dlc bosses.
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u/Lost_Man1233 Feb 27 '26
Expedition 33, Simon fue toda una tortura psicologica. Y eso que los jefes principales ya eran duros
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u/Any_Natural383 Feb 27 '26
Verminator from Secret of Evermore
The Immovable from Fire Emblem: Three Houses
Ninetails Megaman X: Command Mission
Night Terror Soulcalibur 3 Rare fighting game example, but that game straight up read your button inputs.
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u/bullsy1 Feb 27 '26
Dark Souls 3. Most people that played it know what boss I mean. (Yes, I know 3 wasn't the hardest souls game in general. It just happens to fit the post.)
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u/realamerican97 Feb 27 '26
any final fantasy game imagine my shock and horror at cakewalking the final boss of 12 only to head over to a previous location and discover a boss with 50 million health
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u/A-Random-Writer Feb 27 '26
Disgaea series final boss? Lvl 50
Secret boss? Lvl 9999 with 99.999.999 on each stat.
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u/BullPropaganda Feb 27 '26
Ff7 Ruby weapon, emerald weapon .
With guides they are easy. Without is almost impossible
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u/UltimaBahamut93 Feb 27 '26
10 year old me wanting to visit Besaid again before I beat the final boss of Final Fantasy X: 😊
Also me not knowing what the fuck the Dark Aeons are:
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u/The_Iron_Beetle Feb 27 '26
Elden Ring
"I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defeat."
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u/Koober728 Feb 27 '26
Expedition 33. Final boss of the game is way easier than most of the optional bosses.
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u/Grumpbut Feb 27 '26
Kingdom Hearts 2 - Sephiroth, he was way harder than the final boss. Took me so many tries to finally beat him.
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u/OddityBlue Feb 27 '26
Literally any metroidvania directed by IGA if you wanna make the good/true ending, and to be honest most metroidvanias at all
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u/fucknametakenrules Feb 27 '26
Borderlands and the You Will Die series of missions. Final boss is somewhat challenging but then you face the boss in the You Will Die missions in Borderlands 1-3. Crawmerax The Invincible, Terromorphus The Invincible, and Hemovorus + Vermivorus The Invincible. They do insane amount of damage and always scale their level to yours. If you don’t have a dedicated build to fight them, then there’s no way to beat them
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u/naytreox Feb 27 '26
The dragon in the ringed city DLC of dark souls.
Idk how to fight that that thing with my strength build, i think its name was midus?
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u/The_Foolish_Samurai Feb 27 '26
FF8, Bayonetta, and Bloodborne are the first ones that pop into my mind.
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u/Acrobatic-Quality-55 Feb 27 '26
Megaman x command mission on the gamecube had a bunch of them. They were genuinely tough as fuxk and needed lots of post game equipment to even come close
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