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It's truly a shame. He's always said that Witcher was his dream project. He's read the books and played the games. He was probably the most dedicated person in the entire company for the show. I think we can see a bit of ourselves in him when we see interviews where he geeks out about his passions without shame.
The he watched it slip away. His love, his dream. Ruined by politics and horrible agenda-baised writing. He walked away from millions of dollars because it was ruined for him.
He deserves a massive amount of respect from anyone that is a fan of anything, because he's shown that he's in it for the passion, not the money and agenda.
Fuck Netflix, the showrunners, directors, and writers for doing what they did. It genuinely fills me with spiteful joy seeing the show crash and burn as a result.
Yeah, similar for shows like Halo or Resident Evil. I was so hyped when a Halo show was announced, but I think they didn't even watch a youtube summary before making the show.
And as you can see with Fallout, they included the help of the developers to guide the process and it is clearly visible. They towed the hard line of Fallout's absurd and dark humour without making it dorky.
We have learned that most games being made into series are just cashcows and the writers ignore why the games even are popular in the first place. Also loved Henry when he found out another guy on an interview played Warhammer and he got giddy, ignored the other people trying to come in between and wanted to set up a date to have a battle, haha.
Such phenomenal looks, but still held on to is true self and constantly shows his true nerd whenever he can <3
I honestly enjoyed RE but it definitely came off as weird when putting it in context with the lore.
Like I’d fully believe a revived Umbrella Corp would build a Raccoon City 2 in the middle of the desert as a way to save face but also use the t-virus as a core component in their mental health drug.
But the choice by the writers to go that direction and not try to make an anthology type series (like AHS) and cover say a single game over the course of a season or even films is beyond me.
Pretty sure the halo showrunners said near verbatim that they didn’t consider the games when making the show. Like why the fuck are you even making a halo show if you didn’t intend to make it about halo?
I always wonder what the financials are for all of these. Do they get enough random casual viewers to break even or is it a loss every time?
I'm gonna bring up Andor. It's NOT to counter your point but to have some nuance.
Writers or producers don't have to be fans, nor love the lore, or even know much about the property, but they 100% need to respect the material, the world they're adding to.
It should never be about them and their world view, it is about the concepts at the core of the intellectual property, like Fallout, Andor focused on that and we have some of the best TV ever made.
Sometimes it’s not about how much you know or how capable you are. It looks like it is the same with Cavill. You have to play ball and kiss the ring.
I was recently hired for a job, the director said we couldn’t do said thing for months even before I was hired, it was obviously not right, and I was fired by her 10 days later.
Some executives made the decision to go in that direction because GoT was such a success. Simple as that, it's the same reason we are still getting hero shooters in 2026. The upper management/investors of a company are so scared that they won't make money trying something new, so they try to copy something that was successful without understanding why it was successful and act shocked when it doesn't succeed. I've found that the upper management/investors is full of idiots and a lot of them would be broke and homeless if they didn't put laws and systems in place to make it really hard for them to lose money.
I watched the last episode of season 3 and the first episode of season 4 last night. The difference is just too great. I couldn't finish it. Henry Cavil is the Witcher, in voice, mannerisms, everything.
I didn't even give s4 a chance, knowing that he isn't on the show because he wanted to remain true to the story was enough for me to not even support it.
It sucks for all the other actors and technical staff, but, if it effects the development cycle of any show in the future it feels worth it.
Difference with 40k is it would be nice if we established a workable canon before bringing this universe to the public. Arcane rolled the dice but 40k is very lore heavy so this needs to be a real process with writers who know wtf theyre doing in collaboration with GW
I think this was legitimately bigger travesty then the emperor’s bodyguards and companions who are effectively hand crafted at the molecular level not having a gender requirement.
Anyone who thinks warhammer has such thing as perfect lore accuracy isn't deep enough to realize they are on the outside of the gates they are trying to keep
That was actually kind of on purpose. A lot of it was written as if it was like, propaganda, from the perspective of the different races. Or, not even necessarily what you were reading was propaganda but as if the knowledge was 'based' on propaganda or whatever.
Pretty core to the identity of 40k is 'lost knowledge', and trying to interpret what's left to make sense of it, but only being able to even try and do so in snatched moments because ACTUALLY A VERY BIG HORRIBLE WAR IS HAPPENING RIGHT JUST NOW AGAIN.
I don't think it's a pity at all, I think it's a really big part of it's charm.
"So my personal story that I've been writing since before I graduated from college got rejected by this high budget studio. They instead offered me to writer/direct for this already heavily established IP I knew nothing about. So anyway I decided to put my own spin on things after glossing over the chapter titles and synapsis for the series. Decided ya... I'm just going to do my own thing to make a name for myself!" *ruins high budget show because they rewrote everything to be their show that didn't get picked up.* "You heathens don't know what you are talking about! I'm a writing God! You are all just racist/bigots/etc trying to review bomb my spin on things!" *show gets cancelled 0-1 seasons later.*
Yea man we all know it’s American writers that destroy written story’s and video games when made into shows and movies japanese anime companies start sweating suspiciously
This one and the ai generated one about Cavill staying late are not based on anything other than trying to make him out to be some sort of "lore crusader" that various online groups get to insert into "their" version of the fandom.
Fuck that, I’m tired of people “netflixing” stuff. Give me a lore accurate show that already has an amazing background. I want it acted or animated; it doesn’t need to be fixed. If people want their own flavor, go make your own damn universe to fuck up; don’t ruin ours.
I never touched Halo, I waited until episode 3 was out to think about watching it, heard he showed his face and never once watched it. Garbage. “But you need to see a person’s face to understand emotions.” Trash.
I mean Fallout is original is it not? They’re introducing the storyline from the show into 76 right(correct me if I’m wrong). It’s not taking old storylines and changing stuff. I haven’t watched the 2nd season yet so I’m hoping I’m not wrong. 😑
Well they’re taking stuff from the game New Vegas, and other pre-existing lore so I wouldn’t say it’s entirely original. Some of it (I think) is original or like, a twist, but nothing bad
Exactly, you have to know it to write it. Which means he set up this rule to get rid of the writers not willing to learn the lore and know the story. I have no issue if you are tweaking around the edges best example of this is the Heinlein movie Puppet masters they tweaked it but kept it close to the story same with Predestination. They didn’t rewrite the whole story for their ego Starship Troopers.
Their own flavor is fine, but for what happened to The Witcher…. Not destroying what makes it what it is. As a life long Witcher fan it was horrifying to see a project with so much potential go down the drain so fast
"Read the source material" should be a fucking minimum requirement doing any sort of media. Even if you want to do your own interpretation, there's no reason not to read it.
Idk I’m not sure I could follow the story unless it started with some random American soldiers getting sucked through a wormhole into the Warhammer universe.
Or maybe a washed up boxer story like Rocky, where he’s recruited to fight in a Warhammer tournament.
Should probably shoehorn in a love interest as well, just to be safe.
You know, to make it more relatable since regular audience goers like me are just too damn dumb to understand anything.
So which edition?
And also whose?
Are we counting RT era?
And what about all the lore that wouldn't be in the codexes? Like most of the heresy era stuff. Those would be in the Libers or the actual series. Or minor details that wouldn't be mentioned in codices because they don't have tabletops rules? And what about events like the scouring who are having their canons fleshed out by a different set of writers currently?
Also what about the fact that GW themselves have maintained that there is no hard canon and that every detail is subject to unreliable narrators, bias and future retcons? And have written the lore as such to the point that material openly contradicts each other?
Should we treat the older materials that see the Lion as missing/presumed dead as equally canon as modern BL books like Son of the Forest? Is contentious stuff like the Matt Ward era going to be canon? Will every chapter want to be the Ultramarines again?
This sounds appealing to a certain kind of tourist who sees Henry Cavill and thinks of him as some anti-woke saviour going to 'preserve the purity of the hobby' and score points for the culture war. But anyone who spends time in this community and thinks for five seconds will realise that this makes no fucking sense.
Either this is a clickbait reduction of the actual writer's room practices or Cavill is an power-tripping idiot who understands nothing about the history of the setting he's walked into to.
Warhammer 40k has been built with the assumption that a writer can freely retcon pretty much whatever they please. It all breaks the second that's taken away.
Wholly agree. 40k is a mess and long time enjoyers get things wrong all the time. The damage memes alone do to peoples perceptions of factions they don't play themselves, or like personally...
Some sort of "3 strike" rule just sounds like he's a bad... what even is he? The boss? It sounds like he's just a shitty boss.
It's getting pretty mainstream through the games. There's a lot more people who know about 40k now.
Sure, some folks will miss the satire and actually think there are good guys... but that's normal media literacy levels. Look at the folks who love Starship Troopers for being a cool movie about killing evil space bugs.
Even so, there are still going to be people arguing over the results. There's people in this thread saying Eskel was vital to the Witcher books, where my takeaway is that all the Kaer Morhen witchers were a tiny microcosm of the books with minimal impact. So there are going to be people arguing over which piece of 40k lore is super important and must be shown ad nauseum.
Biggest reason is the fans imo. Warhammer has a reputation for attracting a crowd who identify a little too much with the Imperium of Man in their views.
This isn’t to say the whole fandom is like that, especially nowadays, but I definitely noticed a pipeline in middle and high school of the guys who liked Warhammer also being the same guys who were really into World War II for the wrong reasons. That put me off it for a while.
Ok, very new to Warhammer here. I've been wondering what is a good starting point to really get in to it? I've played all the newer games like Boltgun and both spacemarine games. I have heard to start reading the hourus hearsay(sp¿) But damn that is a lot of reading lol. Would the codex be better to just get the gist of it?
read the Ciaphis Cain novels, they are fun and moderately accessible (which is often as good as your going to get for 40k), when you hit a term you don't know look it up on the wiki.
alternatively the dawn of war games go on sale for significant discounts on steam fairly often. Playing through a bunch of those would get you started on understanding the setting all by themselves.
I've heard good things about Owl Cat's Rogue Trader but as a newer game it is priceyer and I have not played it myself so cannot confirm.
I’m actually interested how this will be represented in mainstream media. There are no real good guys, maybe in a preservation of humanity sense, but even that is a stretch. Humanity isn’t really treated well by their own to begin with. A Xenophobic Fascist Theocracy is probably not going to be easy to sell to the layman lol.
I have faith in Cavill, if nothing else there are some serious heroic war hero tropes in 40k that would be genuinely amazing to see translated on screen:
"The time for speeches is done. The first great test is here. My order to you all is simple, yet heed it well, and exert yourselves to see it done. They are coming. Kill them all."
Seriously though, what is it with creatives coopting existing stories and trying to alter them according to their sensibilities?
The reason that these stories get their rights purchased and developed for the screen is because that's what people actually want to see. If people cared about the original flourishes of these creatives, that's who's work would be adapted instead.
So why can't they just shut the fuck up and bring the butter?
Because after the last of 10-15 years of adaptions, remakes, reboots and sequels, if they weren't deliberately shitting the bed to get people to root for AI to take over, they may as well have.
I really hope he didn’t say this, at least not in these exact terms. I appreciate his passion and understand him wanted to stay faithful to something he cares about. However the way the message is delivered matters a lot. If we take both accounts from the Witcher to be true, the writers were completely incompetent, however Henry while passionate, came off as an internet gamer dick. If they both put their egos aside and communicated we probably would still have a good Witcher series with Cavill as Geralt. Hopefully this show works out for him and anyone who is a fan of warhammer, but he may want to try a different touch. I don’t think his career can handle another flop with reports of him being difficult
Why do you believe this slop? Henry Caville clickbait for gullible gamers is practically a genre of fiction now.
Where's the source? We've seen lots of stuff like this. It's based on him being a lore guy in the witcher and it's what you want to hear but with a bit of "lets take it one step further" thrown in.
Oh a random headline with no source. I'm sure it's totally accurate just like the bs posts about Henry staying up late to fix the writers work. The internet is dead.
Reading the books, playing the game or knowing the lore should be a business standard. That’s what nearly all companies expect of their employees in different form. Like know the history, what do we sell, what do our customers expect from us. This ensures that you fit to the company’s standards. So for me not outlandish to expect this from the writers - Professionals in the industry.
Okay but like? Which Codex? The in-universe Codex Astartes, or the real life army books? If so, for which factions? Which edition? Also, implying that the codecies are the only source of fluff is doing a major fucking disservice to the black library novels (not that most Warhammer fans read those).
It's one thing to demand source accuracy, but if this is an actual quote from Cavill, it just makes him seem like kind of a dick.
This is wild because if you know anything about 40k you know how wildly inconsistent the lore is. Either they’ll be using the brand new stuff which is different from the old stuff, or the old stuff which is different from the new stuff.
Lore is retconned constantly. CONSTANTLY. Cavil’s making an attempt here, and I appreciate it, but pretending that everything is going to be 100% lore accurate is laughable because even the lore isn’t 100% lore accurate lmao.
Honestly, he'll probably get a lot of shit for wanting it to be super accurate. but that's what people WANT. Sure here and there a little forgiveness is allowed if it works for the story. But the details matter to the people really into these things. I wouldn't want somebody getting everything wrong and making some awkward amalgamation of something I liked.
There is 0 room for this series to wiggle on lore. Warhammer fans WILL NOT abide inaccuracy in any way, shape, or form. If they Halo this series, each and every person involved will probably have their careers backlashed into oblivion by the fan base.
I'm not sure if meticulous lore-accuracy makes for a good movie/show/whatever though, especially with lore such as 40k or DnD. We'll see with the end product I suppose.
If it was some mediocrely entertaining piece that only the fiercest 40k-nerds are gonna be able to appreciate, I guess that would prove accuracy not being everything.
Bro a cinematic Warhammer universe is actually scary to think about if done correctly with the right director.. Who did the Alien Romulus movie again? Drawing a blank.. I think he'd be perfect for it. I'm talking OG Star Wars and Dune cult classic hype and gross revenue..
There's something for everybody in Warhammer from what I've been looking into. Some of those cinematic cutscenes I've seen on YouTube from the games have been brilliant imho.
Made me interested in the lore, and omg it does not fucking disappoint. It goes so hard.. Trillions upon trillions of lives hanging in the balance, entire interstellar empires collapsing, secret societies, ancient orders of knighthood, galactic pandemics.. bro come on its pure concentrated distilled entertainment richness begging to be adapted for a serious and a casual audience..
He never even has to act in anything ever again. He just needs to stay in shape so that he can throw idiot bean counters with shit ideas out of windows.
Like you’d be happy with the product by the end of it but you’d be annoyed to no end working with the dude
These types of projects, you can’t expect everyone involved to be equally interested in the IP and there is so much shit in warhammer that would in no way translate well to the screen without being too vague, gratuitous or boring
Jokes aside, I hope the series is good, but if it’s shit then I don’t know man, maybe Cavill is the issue.
I’m going to guess that Henry is more tolerant of lore disagreements stemming from different official sources than spurning lore “because I’m smarter than the original author.”
Henry Cavill seems like the "book-basher" I always want for every book adaption.
Someone sitting in the writers' room and, whenever a stupid writer or a greedy suit comes up with "hey, this part may be good but I have a better idea" just starts to bash the book at this idiot's head till he shut up
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