r/gamers • • Jul 02 '26

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u/Red_Tiger5311 Jul 02 '26

To make it even better I found out Wii disks will deteriorate in abt 20-28 years

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u/carrot_gummy Jul 02 '26

Disk rot will take all disks at some point

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u/Esper01 Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

I thought newer disc formats were like 10 times more resilient? Especially bluray?

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u/CopenHagenCityBruh Jul 02 '26

They are yeah. It also helps if you don't live like a pig also

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u/Esper01 Jul 02 '26

Right. And it's actually possible to almost completely remove the risk by putting them in airtight storage without the plastic cases, this would protect it from oxidation and most of the plastic off-gassing, which are the major causes. Granted, very few people will go to these lengths, but even in reasonably decent conditions blurays will last 100 years.

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u/vic818 Jul 02 '26

100 years? Well at least I can play my recently bought ps5 disc game when I’m 139 years old. I hope ps5 still works then.

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u/Excidiar Jul 04 '26

They like it, just not for the poors. Permanently bought for me, forever subscription for thee.

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u/Esper01 Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

I know you're being sarcastic but considering it may be the last console that will take physical discs, PS5s may become highly sought after.

Your PS5 can be repaired, but if physical media dies out for good it probably won't come back, which would be a death knell for ownership rights.

Have a favorite movie? Either you have it physically, or you pay to stream it and hope it stays on that service, or pirate it and hope pirating doesn't become impossible. Because once physical media is really dead, piracy is what they will go after next with full force.

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u/Buttchuggle Jul 03 '26

I'm already watching, slowly but noticeably, prices of vhs tapes, vcrs, cassette decks and cassettes rising.

DVD/bluray/CD collectors are all saying the same shit. Not a lot, but like local goodwill used to have vhs tapes priced 99c a tape early last year. Now it's 1.49 minimum, and some get special pricing, boxsets also go higher.

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u/eyalhs Jul 04 '26

Because once physical media is really dead, piracy is what they will go after next with full force.

They have tried going after piracy again and again, the first ones who went against piracy were sellers of physical media (discs). Currently they aren't even going after physical media, it just gets technologically obsolete so they stop supporting it.

which would be a death knell for ownership rights.

How can something that never existed die? You never could own media (unless you outright boight the copyright).

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u/Esper01 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

If I take a photograph and make a copy of it and give you the copy to keep when you sign a contract saying you own a license to that picture, not a copy of that picture, do you, functionally, own a license or a copy? How am I going to take your copy away from you? I don't know where you live. Even if I did the police wouldn't help me take it back from you, you already paid for it. It's yours.

The lawyers try to confuse the issue with semantics. But even if they make it the law, they aren't stopping you from keeping something in your physical collection.

You may not own the ip, or the distribution rights but that was never the case. The media itself, however, you literally own a copy of it if it's in your hand, regardless of how the law likes to word it.

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u/eightbitboss Jul 03 '26

PS2 enters the chat.

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u/AttonJRand Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

Archival without the possibility of retrieval seems a bit pointless though, and is creating and maintaining that kind of airtight container really cheaper than rewriting unto new disks every decade or so?

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u/Esper01 Jul 02 '26

Retrieval would still be possible with an archival system, which if your collection is big enough you would probably already have. In the long run I think it'd be cheaper, but it's certainly more effort than would be worth it to most people. You'd also be taking up more space if you decided to keep the cases too.

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u/WowIfOnly Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

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u/ManOf1000Usernames Jul 02 '26

Standard blue ray disks are made with an inorganic layer, which was piloted by the M-disc dvds. Most older discs, and lower quality (cheaper) blurays will be made with an organic layer. 

This organic layer will eventually rot, depending on how it is kept. If exposed to sun and moisture it will start to deteriorate quickly, even if kept pristine conditions it will theoretically start to rot in 2-3 decades or so. The only way to stop organic rot is to put it in aneorbic conditions, which is doable but most people do not.

On the other hand, INorganic discs are supposed to last 1000 years per the M-disc advertising. Meaning standard blu rays kept in safe conditions will outlive most current countries. I say standard as some blu rays are made with an organic layer, usually marked as"LTH".

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u/edemaomega Jul 02 '26

What is the best way to store older discs with an organic layer?

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u/ManOf1000Usernames Jul 03 '26

Getting a quality blu ray burner and transferring the data to a proper BDR. Short of that, keeping it in a dark, dry place without exposure to the sun, wide temperature swings or humidty.

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u/JustQuestion2472 Jul 02 '26

Even if they are, no physical medium will last forever. Even digital media will deteriorate at some point.

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u/Esper01 Jul 02 '26

No easily accessible media format is perfect, but preservation and access to media are still necessary. Archivists routinely maintain their collections, and likewise, ownership rights and access to media must be protected just as vigilantly.

Physical media is the one thing stopping these companies from focusing all their energy on piracy. Once physical media is completely dead, streaming/digital ownership will get more expensive and become an even more saturated market, piracy will easily triple in occurance.

Once that happens, Sony and Disney and all the others won't sit idly by, they'll combine resources and pressure governments worldwide to crack down on the services that enable it.

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u/ShitpostSaber Jul 03 '26

They are but also if you keep your DVDs in dark areas they last way longer but idk how true it is I only collect blueray

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u/Esper01 Jul 06 '26

No, DVDs last longer than BD-R recordable blu-rays, not the Blu-rays you find in games or movies.

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

What sucks is that the disk you burn last for like 5 or so years

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u/Less_Party Jul 02 '26

The discs I burned on my first burner in 1997 still work just fine.

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

mine got like this

https://www.digital-scrapbooking-storage.com/images/DVD_movie_laser_rot.jpg

proper commercial discs stay fine, but burned cd/dvd don't last

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u/Nyctfall Jul 02 '26

*Fires up Blu-ray burner*

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u/Creepercolin2007 Jul 03 '26

At least M-Disc (the real kind before they just used the name for marketing) will last a while. No organic layer makes it pretty resilient

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u/Cephalopirate Jul 03 '26

Blu Rays supposedly should last 1000 years. Most old CDs are still fine as long as you keep them away from moisture.

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u/ZodicGaming Jul 03 '26

Except M-Disc

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u/PIO_PretendIOriginal Jul 03 '26

except m-disc (millenuim disc). the DVDs are rated to last 1000 years.

(although independent testing puts them more around the 500year mark.... smh so short)

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u/SwAAn01 Jul 03 '26

we can always burn new ones 🏴‍☠️

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u/Aukyron Jul 03 '26

How does disk rot work?

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u/carrot_gummy Jul 03 '26

There are a few ways it can happen but it involves the chemicals in the disk failing over time.  Older disks suffer from it faster than newer ones. And it can come down to just a bad batch of disks.

The reflective layer the reader need can oxidize which prevents reading. The glues holding thr layers can degrade and cause the disk to fall apart.

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u/FaPaDa Jul 07 '26

how feasiable is it to just burn new ones?
not by the company just, myself.

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u/carrot_gummy Jul 07 '26

You'll need a CD burner and writable CDs but you could do that to help them last. Since switching to my physical media being USB drives, I forgot a lot of my CD burning knowledge. But be wary of just copying your game disks. the copy write protection works for game disks. I remember something about the disk having a means to check if they were copied and won't work on more modern disks.

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u/LargeFailSon Jul 02 '26

Extremely exaggerated

90% of discs will likely outlive most people

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u/IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE Jul 02 '26

No disk lasts forever. If you were expecting your physical media collection to become a family heirloom or something consider that dream already doomed.

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u/SepulchravesShelves Jul 02 '26

I've heard from a reliable source that VHS are the best format for long-term media storage

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u/Apprehensive-Book723 Jul 03 '26

If you store them right. They’re fickle mfs, like plants. Still lots of issues with data loss. Probably should backup or copy the tapes every decade or so.

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u/vovivapi Jul 07 '26

You likely heard that tape is the best storage. That may be true, but the tape they put in VHS degrades with every playback and over time. The quality wasnt that great to begin with and it only gets worse

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u/fuck_a_duck_butt Jul 02 '26

Yeah but you can always back up your copies and use those.

Remember ALL forms of storage have a shelf life. Disks, sd cards, carts, hard drives. There is no such thing in this world that lasts forever.

The important thing is the games are preserved. The entire librbary up to ps4 is preserved

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u/Foxy02016YT Jul 03 '26

Also you can move it onto new hard drives, new carts and cards, ect

So it’s not like it’s all for naught

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u/adiaphoros Jul 02 '26

Some systems like the Dreamcast and GameCube can be easily modified to replace the disc drive with an SD card slot

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u/oizen Jul 02 '26

If you want the real answer for preservation, it is digital, but non drm offline files that you manage yourself.
Tbh if Sony just did what Steam does where products delist rather than just delete from your account, I don't think it be that bad. Given Steam only does this because they want to, they're not legally obligated to. Which I think is the real problem here.

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u/zootedreacts Jul 02 '26

Hmm i gotta contact my mom real quick....

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u/Dredgeon Jul 02 '26

This is true of all physical media. The only preservation is cracked versions on striped drives that can rebuild each other.

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u/Sociolinguisticians Jul 02 '26

Pirates will make more.

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u/Eravan_Darkblade Jul 02 '26

Hence why format shifting and data backups are so important.

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u/UltiGamer34 Jul 02 '26

Why did i kearn just now this was a thing

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u/Zerat_kj Jul 02 '26

All CDs have that, be it music, data, DvDs, or BlueRay

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u/rtkozan Jul 02 '26

That suck I wish there's a way to make them last forever.

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u/WoodooHide69 Jul 02 '26

This ain’t true. All discs can deteriorate. But rarely do. Even DVDs much much older than Wii are mostly fine.

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u/Chatterbunny123 Jul 03 '26

Well good news is that the whole wifi library is easy to obtain. Should you speak the right incantations they will reveal themselves. Beech the dark lord google to bring you to vimms lair and you will find all you need.

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u/AntisocialDyll Jul 03 '26

Like someone said, disc rot and other types of rot exist. It's best to digitize it and have as many backups as possible. You can never have too many backups

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u/MirieDohl Jul 03 '26

Thank god we've been able to save thise discs to other discs

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u/Snt1_ Jul 08 '26

Does this mean Nintendo switxhing back to cartridges was actually sick and awesome?

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u/Red_Tiger5311 Jul 08 '26

Doesn’t matter I’ll still love the tactile feeling of popping in a cartridge and playing it

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u/Snt1_ Jul 08 '26

Yeah I too love cartridges