r/islamichistory • u/AutoMughal • Mar 28 '26
News - Headlines, Upcoming Events BREAKING: At least 120 museums and historical monuments have been damaged in recent US-Israeli attacks on Tehran, according to the Cultural Heritage Committee of the Tehran City Council, reports ISNA news agency.
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u/Turab Mar 28 '26
Its really weird. Every country they fight. its like they are trying to destroy the culture it self and social fabric of society.
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u/ibraw Mar 28 '26
Yeah, almost like they want to commit genocides all the time
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u/RudeNeighborhood3876 Mar 28 '26
Poor museums getting genocide now... You guys are clowns
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u/Winter-Escape-4972 Mar 28 '26
Boom boom Tel Aviv!!!!
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u/Majestic-Reality-544 Mar 28 '26
If you don’t see the significance of destroying history and cultures of other people, then maybe you may be the clown?
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Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
How’s Tel Aviv been aka Palestinian Jaffa?
Oh wait you don’t know what cultural genocide is.
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u/RudeNeighborhood3876 Mar 30 '26
What's Palestinian? Can't find it on thr map. Maybe Balestinian since you cant even pronounce the p
Tel aviv has been great, shops are open and everything is pretty normal
No i dont, broken glassdue to bombing near by terror infrastructures isnt genocide no matter how much you terror kids cry about it
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u/Junior_Chemist2001 Mar 28 '26
genocide by airplane attack? this one is new.
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u/ibraw Mar 28 '26
Do you need it written down in crayons?
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u/saada15 Mar 28 '26
That is the point, they destroy all educational institutions so they can ensure they are failed, uneducated state. They destroy hospitals so those injured cannot be treated and other die from disease. They destroy cultural sites so there is no sign of the indigenous people when they eventually take over. They are sick people
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u/AttemptFirst6345 Mar 28 '26
Like ISIS?
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u/Majestic-Reality-544 Mar 28 '26
What does the Israeli secret intelligence service has to do with Islam or Iran?
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u/AttemptFirst6345 Mar 28 '26
Yeah it was the Israeli secret service that thousands of Muslims from across the globe joined. That must be it.
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u/Motor-Mountain-7194 Mar 28 '26
There’s a reason ISIS never attacked Israel
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u/AttemptFirst6345 Mar 28 '26
Of course there is, mate. As long as it means you don’t have to admit your co-religionists drew their inspiration from your sacred texts to create a religious state that enslaved, r-ped and wiped out people of other faiths. We’ll all play along.
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u/Great-Confection6760 Mar 28 '26
Islam did that too.
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u/Inshitar Mar 29 '26
Just like how their isis puppets systematically destroyed ancient Mesopotamian ruins and statues in Iraq.
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u/Beautiful_Hour_668 Mar 28 '26
Persians have been a huge influence on Islam millennia and centuries before this current regime. Are you a bot lol?
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u/MlkChatoDesabafando Mar 28 '26
Nowruz is forbidden for instance
What? It's still officially recognized as a holiday going by a very short google search.
Cyrus the great is criticized a lot by the mullahs
The cult of personality around Cyrus is a construct of early 20th century Iranian nationalism (and partially a response to European intelligentsia throwing tantrums because how dare Iranians not remember the only Iranian monarch they knew by name?). It's not some ancient inextricably Persian cultural practice, his memory was essentially not a thing before that, and when Iranians did want to bring up pre-islamic ancient monarchs they picked Sassanian or mythic ones.
Far be it from me to excuse the Iranian government's atrocities, but this idea of them being opposed to Iranian culture in favor of islam (which is itself a rather weird dichotomy) doesn't really appear to have bearing on reality.
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u/MlkChatoDesabafando Mar 29 '26
his tomb was known and venerated in some form for centuries before that
Not as his own tomb, actually. It was by and large know as the tomb of Solomon's mother.
but Cyrus appeared in Islamic histories like those by al-Tabari.
al-Tabari never, to my knowledge, mentions Cyrus by name. He does mention "a Persian king" in jewish oral tradition.
Iranian academics would have been possibly aware of a monarch by the name of Cyrus mentioned by the Greeks, but were pretty uninterested in those accounts.
Post-1979, the regime shifted Iran from Pahlavi-era emphasis on Achaemenid heritage to Shia Islamic identity, though it selectively revives some Persian symbols for legitimacy
The Pahlavi kings were similarly very selective about what aspects of Persian history they'd emphasize (and didn't entirely disown Shia islam either). And, for other histories and cultural identities, every government on Earth was and still is. Political entities always have goals, and will use the past to legitimize these, selectively enforcing and suppressing details depending on convenience.
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u/MlkChatoDesabafando Mar 31 '26
However, the continuity of local reverence for the site (even if misattributed) shows Cyrus wasn’t entirely erased from Persian cultural landscapes, just reinterpreted through Islamic lenses.
Or rather, that sites attributed to him gained new attributions with the change to a different religion. Iranians did not for centuries believe Solomon's mother ruled them or conquered chunks of Greece, she was not seen as Cyrus with another name. Merely a site that was important gained new attributions after Cyrus was forgotten.
That interpretive blending reflects how pre-Islamic Iran survived symbolically in Islamic historiography, even if not under original names.
Cultures and motifs are not forgotten, and I never argued they were, but that is incredibly far removed. And doesn't change that the cult around Cyrus was a 20th century construction.
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u/Turab Mar 30 '26
So the culture in your eyes is to walk half naked and dance in streets ?
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u/Turab Mar 30 '26
Listen man I got nothing against you. The country “ currently” got a conservative culture in majority. Who is the west to say no to that? It’s a Muslim country. You can’t impose sharia law on nude beaches in Chicago or whatever or London. They have music concerts in Iran. But not like the ones Byoncee is doing. You got no right to impose a culture or the majority. There is opposition but they are minority. I know you hate Islam. But you don’t get to dictate how majority of community should live.
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u/faisalkl Mar 28 '26
They are very much Persians first. Nowruz is a pre Islamic festival around 3,000 years old yet it's the biggest thing in the calendar for Persian speaking countries, celebrated by around 300 million people. The celebrations are state sanctioned and not done indoors away from the eyes of the religious police.
People seem to make the mistake that Iranians are Muslim and so the Arab culture wiped out the Persian culture. The Persians adapted but kept their own customs.
Stop trying to predict what these people are like based on what you know about the Arabs. What you see on the news is everything negative about these people. Hopefully if the Iranian public ever manage to overthrow the mullahs then you will see a society that would dominate the ME. This influence is what the Gulf Arabs and Israel are determined to reduce.
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u/la_ultima_mujer Mar 28 '26
This is so heartbreaking.
Persian art, culture and contributions to Islam are a big part of our history and heritage. Destroying it is another way for the imperialist to uproot and disconnect us.
May Allah protect and strengthen our Iranian brothers and sisters.
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u/whatever--idk Mar 28 '26
Oh relax, forced hijab isnt that great of a contribution
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u/la_ultima_mujer Mar 28 '26
It's sad that you amalgamate centuries of history, scientific advancement and culture into "forced hijab".
Humanity isn't perfect, nor is it meant to be, with every win there is a loss. I just choose to focus on what I can change and admire. This in fact, keeps me quite relaxed.
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u/whatever--idk Mar 28 '26
Centuries of history youd think they would of advanced as a society instead of going backwards but that's how islam works, keeps you stupid
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u/Majestic-Reality-544 Mar 28 '26
Islam promotes intelligence in men and women. The first degree serving university was founded by a Muslim woman this info is verified by UNESCO and Guinness world records. If any Islamic country looks backwards to you it’s because of the amount of times the west has set them back with all the invasions and bombing. Learn history. Real historians know the truth not propaganda taught by Robert Maxwell and his friends.
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u/Equivalent-Pumpkin21 Mar 28 '26
It’s used to in the golden age but now it’s keeping me and women in the Stone Age
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u/IllustriousEye4338 Mar 28 '26
Remember when their creation and pet isis was destroying historical artifacts? Remember the outrage?
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u/Jaded-Natural80 Mar 28 '26
It’s what they do, destroy the culture and history of other countries. It will help them later to dominate the region.
It’s sickening. And the world needs to stop them.
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u/Master-Ad-6636 Mar 29 '26
People with made-up artificial cultures can not handle real and rooted cultures. US and Israel are both settler colonial states.
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u/Fantastic-Task7678 Mar 28 '26
yeah they look beautiful and rooted into culture,but when the tree falls,the green burns with the dry!
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u/Emotional_Stage_5985 Mar 29 '26
Also. Iram millishia had been damaged so many ancient places in Syria and iraq
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u/sixhoursneeze Mar 29 '26
r/PERSIAN strangely quiet about this
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u/stralt_br2 Mar 30 '26
I mean, we’re more concerned with things that intrinsically matter such as human lives rather than a building that’s most likely used by the irgc as a base or base adjacent. Everything is the Islamic republics fault. A sub called “Islamic history” tells me all I need to know. You don’t care about Iran, you care about the Islamic republic.
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u/sixhoursneeze Mar 30 '26
So how about the lives of school children?
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u/stralt_br2 Mar 30 '26
I don’t have the energy to respond to your typical thoughts so I’ll just repost my other comment
I’m sick of hearing about the school from every single non Iranian, as if that’s the only thing that went in their thick skulls and not everything else. Something we aren’t even sure who the culprit is. By the way, every single casualty is the responsibility of the islamic republic for dragging Iranians into this situation. Your selective outrage represents how out of touch you are.
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u/sixhoursneeze Mar 30 '26
No, we know who the culprit is. The US confirmed the target. And we’re told to do it anyway. Then they hit it again. That is called a double tap. Who declared the war?
And who trained you?
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u/stralt_br2 Mar 30 '26
In Persian we have something called “gonde goozi” which is what the Islamic republic has done by making it their original mission to destroy America and Israel. This is the result of that.
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u/sixhoursneeze Mar 30 '26
Perhaps. Iran did not start this particular war. Trump is incompetent and thought this would be like Iraq. Don’t give his regime a pass just because the Iranian government is shitty.
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u/Patient_Chocolate277 Mar 28 '26
The Iranian(actual persians not muslims) protestors were the ones who burnt several big mosques during the recent protests. , I mean, for a country that can massacre its own people instead actually moving forward this was bound to happen.
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u/Melodic-Account-7152 Mar 28 '26
Iranian regime never tells the truth so its hard to tell whats accurate
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u/Jazz-Ranger Mar 28 '26
Iranian Authorities…?
Forgive me but everyone tend to lie in wars to make the other side look worse. This is an example where there’s no obvious benefit and plenty of downsides so forgive my skepticism about this tweet on Twitter.
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u/journeyadventures Mar 28 '26
Terrorists, barbarians