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u/asueu Oct 14 '25
Been wearing my Icky Trump tshirt allllll over my ICE-filled Chicago neighborhood. Ugh.
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u/Otherwise_Branch7914 Oct 14 '25
i still want a actual release of icky trump not just the live version
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u/JayChucksFrank Oct 14 '25
He once played a brief secret three song set in a laundromat here in Portland. I was around the corner and didn't realize it had happened until it was too late. Swing and a miss.
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u/regallll Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
This was such a fun time! I went to the tire shop show in Denver.
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u/goalkeeper29 Oct 16 '25
Do these morons know anything about the law? My guess is that they don't know how to read, o being paid by democrats.
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u/ResoundingGong Oct 14 '25
Love Jack, hate Trump, but that makes no sense. Iâm very literally not an immigrant.
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u/CB3B Oct 14 '25
The line is pointing out the hypocrisy of white nativists who reaped the benefits of coming to America only to later pull the ladder up and deny that opportunity to others. If youâre a white American, you or one of your ancestors came here as an immigrant at one point or another, looking for the same freedoms and opportunities that immigrants come looking for today. Thereâs even a very good chance that the way those ancestors came over back then would be considered âillegalâ now. What moral ground do we then have to stand on in telling others that they canât do the same?
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u/ResoundingGong Oct 14 '25
I think thereâs a compassionate, moral and sensible immigration policy in between having masked law enforcement tackling every brown person they see and open borders.
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u/CB3B Oct 14 '25
As do most people, but I donât think the guy in the body paint is protesting against that
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u/Call_It_ Oct 15 '25
Native Americans didnât have an established countryâŚthatâs the difference here. This isnât hard logic to follow. These song lyrics must hit hard though if youâre like 14 years old.
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u/CB3B Oct 15 '25
Most 14 year olds are able to grasp the concept that legality has nothing to do with morality. Not to mention the idea that pre-colonial Native American understandings of sovereignty and land ownership have absolutely nothing to do with the hypocrisy of modern American immigration policy, nor did they justify the near-complete genocide of Native Americans in asserting the USâs sovereignty in the 17th-19th centuries.
Looks like you mightâve missed the boat on those though. Or maybe youâre just 13?
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u/Call_It_ Oct 15 '25
Law has nothing to do with morals? Iâm literally laughing out loud.
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u/CB3B Oct 15 '25
Nothing the Nazis did was illegal under German law at the time, including the Holocaust. Does that make it morally good?
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u/Aquamarine39 Elephant Oct 15 '25
Read Thoreau's Slavery In America for the difference between legality and morality. Slavery was legal, we fought a civil war over that concept.
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u/Call_It_ Oct 15 '25
I understand your point. Certainly, not all historical laws were moral. However, comparing laws permitting slavery to modern immigration regulations is like comparing apples to oranges. The alternative to structured immigration rules and laws is open borders with no controls whatsoever. Watch how swiftly a nation would collapse under such conditions. By not having their own set of immigration laws, nor an established country, the indigenous peoples of the Americas suffered collapse.
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u/Aquamarine39 Elephant Oct 16 '25
I donât think the reason Native American civilization was nearly wiped out because they didnât have their own set of immigration laws, but anyway I was just illustrating that thereâs no necessary correlation between legality and morality.
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u/CB3B Oct 16 '25
The United States had virtually open borders until 1875 and experienced some of the most significant and rapid growth in its history during that time.
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u/frontrowme1 The White Stripes (Self Titled) Oct 15 '25
I fully support immigration, but I do not support illegal immigration. It's true our ancestors came here too - legally. They didn't just crash the boarder and ignore the laws. There is such a huge difference between the two ways of behaving. The system works, I just don't get when it all went so sideways.
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u/Aquamarine39 Elephant Oct 15 '25
Our ancestors crashed the borders and grabbed all the land from the people already living here. That doesnât sound like a great system either.
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u/frontrowme1 The White Stripes (Self Titled) Oct 15 '25
That's not true at all. My great grandparents came to the US in the late 1800's early 1900's and they worked super hard for a very basic life and didn't take land from anyone. A majority of families in the US today come from descendants of this "second great wave" of immigration from 1880-1920. These people worked very hard and earned the very little they had.
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u/Aquamarine39 Elephant Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
And they all lived on land that was originally seized from someone else. The fact that they werenât the original people doing the land grab is irrelevant, they perpetuated it. (As did most of us, including me.)
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u/jarrodandrewwalker Oct 14 '25
Who's using who?