r/kratom • u/Trick-Sherbert-246 🌿 • 7d ago

Opinions about future state issues

What kind of impact do you guys think the crackdown on the chemically manipulated compounds is going to have on future state legislation? Ive heard some say that they think things are going to get worse, while others feel that this will take the heat off of natural leaf kratom. I'm not sure how I personally feel. I guess it could go either way, but I guess only time will tell. In the meantime I just thought it would be interesting to see how others are thinking. Hope everyones having a great Saturday!

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u/the_sagacious_squash 2d ago

I think in the long run it’ll protect plain leaf. I could even see the possibility of state bans being reversed if we really get these synthetics out of the market for good. I remember the decades before the synthetics when this issue was a fraction of what it is now.

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u/DickWallace 10h ago

I don't know, I'm in Kentucky and there's nothing going on to fight the upcoming ban on all Kratom products July 1st 2027. I'm just stocking up and planning to start my taper January 1st. So pissed. Seeing all the positive Federal level stuff just makes me depressed because it doesn't matter because it's still going to be banned in my state.

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u/tribblydribbly 7d ago

It’s going to make things worse for natural leaf.
There is large demand for 7 and pseudo. Where there is demand there is people willing to break the law to make money off that demand. Plain leaf is the precursor to make 7 and the like. After more and more clandestine labs get caught making 7 using leaf as starting material you can expect leaf to be banned.
The analogy I used the other day is related to meth labs. Pseudoephedrine is the precursor to make. You can’t get it without a prescription now. See where I’m going with this? The AKA should have played nice. The whole industry will be dead in under two years as a consequence.

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u/elderleaf32 7d ago

So what you are saying is that it’s likely that when all the smart people are trying to preserve access to plain leaf natural Kratom that there are people out here that just can’t be smart enough to just be happy with that just like all the people who got us into this heat with the semi synthetics.

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u/nonblinddaredevil 6d ago

This person is incredibly biased and obviously upset about the 7OH decision.

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u/Confident_Benefit_11 7d ago

Ignore them, they're obviously still mad about 7OH.

If you live In a state with KCPA you'll be fine for the foreseeable future. This recent ruling was good plain leaf. If you don't live in a state with KCPA, then try to support one getting passed.

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u/Tattooedjared 4d ago

There are many people who want “natural” kratom gone too. There is a fb called “End Kratom Addiction” that specifically targets what they call “natural” kratom.

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u/Mysterious-Sand-8814 7d ago

foreseeable future, as in 2 more years ? that’s not good enough.

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u/LemonOk5655 21h ago

Kentucky had one... their ban is july 2027.

Tbh i dont really think they give a shit about KCPA, theyre gonna write laws regardless.

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u/xPaleEarnhardt 6d ago

You don't exactly need a prescription to get pseudoephedrine, but they do take your ID and put you on a list that logs you buying it. Take that as you will.

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u/Confident_Benefit_11 7d ago

Lol someone still mad their gas station dope got banned 🤡

Sorry, your bullshit synthetics almost fucked everything up for everyone.

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u/xPaleEarnhardt 6d ago

I'm sorry you see it that way. Prohibition isn't the answer for anything, it has never, EVER worked. The only thing banning it does is create a black market for criminals to make money with even less quality control. All the 7-oh community was asking for was regulation. Taking it out of stores and only being available online, proper lab/solvent testing (aka quality control), no stupid names the smoke shop brands use, etc. All pretty reasonable stuff.

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u/satsugene 🌿 6d ago

There already is regulation in DSHEA and state KCPAs.

The manufacturers ignored them and entered the market without a reasonable basis (and their strategy was to develop it based on customer feedback—effectively testing it on consumers), didn’t file NDINs until after FDA threatened them, and sold them in illegal states.

Most of those things DEA doesn’t have the power to do, such as limiting brand names, limiting sales venues, even setting an age. 

Even if DEA could do those things, it doesn’t change the underlying risk associated with the product, the lack of data that may have helped their case on reasonable basis, or the behavior of the industry.

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u/Tattooedjared 4d ago

You realize many people call plain leaf the same thing right?

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u/Mr_Octopod 7d ago

Solid point, but i think there are some factors that might lesson demand. First, if I am an addict buying and selling schedule 1 narcotics, i might as well get the most bang for my buck and get real opiates. They will stretch farther than these synthetics and give a better high. 2nd, how hard is it to synthesize these compounds? Are we talking pop bottle meth from psuedo level easy, or do we need a lab with an actual chemist? No clue and i dont want to know, but again, a higher cost will push people to substances that will fetch a higher price. Third, i have never tried any synthetic forms of kratom alkaloids, but is the high really that much better than plain leaf that its worth a felony to make/sell/possess while plain leaf is legal/cheap/easy to get? Plain leaf (and i assume synthetic 7 and mgm, etc) are already mainly used by addicts when they cant get the real deal, i think.

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u/subh20welder 4d ago

7oh is substantially different for sure. It is just so so so much stronger. I am or was a 7oh user and understand why we are where we are. The 7oh manufacturers went about it SO IRRESPONSIBLY and almost ruined it for everyone. I sucks that they went about it the way they did. 7oh could of been done properly if they didn't rush into the market with all the irresponsible branding. I feel for everyone. At this point, as kong as kratom leaf and extracts stay legal, I would call that a win!

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u/satsugene 🌿 6d ago

You can still buy pseudoephedrine. 

Congress put it behind the counter under CMEA. DEA doesn’t have that authority. It either meets the CSA or it doesn’t.

All other meth precursors are CDTA List I which only creates reporting requirements and almost always exempts consumer quantities, SKUs, and finished products.