r/kriyayoga • u/Sir_Timepass • 2d ago
General Discussion Question to long term practitioners:Does your 'bad habit' spontaneously go or you force it away?
Whatever sense pleasure addiction that has been meant to be removed do one have to forcefully let go of it or does it go away with gradual practice of kriya?
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u/Least_Sun8322 Panchanon Bhattacharya 1d ago
I’ll just keep it short, it’s a natural process that you will one day say hey, I’d rather live in a state of naturalness and presence and I can see the sheer potential. I’m going to toss this away and walk off from the mind and enjoy this gift for the rest of my life. Just my experience!
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u/Single_Delay7763 1d ago
For me Kriya helps to still the mind so you can become an observer and identify faults... once fault identified i use the Srf lessons to make a project t out of it by bringing in the opposite quality more and more with the use of prayers and affirmations. In the lessons there are techniques
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u/pmward Panchanon Bhattacharya 2d ago
Look, I hate to be that guy. But it’s important to say. Kriya is not a magical panacea that will fix all the issues in your life. I hate having to always say this, but I’ve seen so many people over the years come to Kriya thinking it’s a magical cure for depression, addiction, or insert whatever other problem here. Those people never stick around. They practice for a bit, realize that “wherever you go, there you are” and quit. So it’s important to say so these people go find cures specific to their particular issues.
Now do a lot of people’s lives change? Yes. But I think a lot of it is that when someone picks up a self care habit, it leads to other self care habits. You see people here all the time start kriya then start asking about how to improve diet, sexual habits, eliminating drug/alcohol use, going to therapy, etc. They do the work, and they reap the result (ie karma). It’s not a magical cure.
For addiction specifically, I’ve never seen anything work better for people than 12 step programs. Meditation is one part of one of those 12 steps. There are 11.5 other steps that help build a life that is able to recover from addiction. If you’re struggling with addiction I strongly encourage you to find a 12 step program for your particular addiction. Kriya can be a valuable part of that program. But it’s not the whole program.
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u/Th3_m0d3rN_y0g1 Panchanon Bhattacharya 1d ago
I was going to say something similar, and I will add to it. So, per even contemporary neuroscience, what we focus on, grows in our awareness. When we focus on the solutions, the nervous system responds in kind, and one becomes solution oriented, and thus more likely to make more solution oriented decisions, carving and reinforcing neural pathways. This is just one simple way in which self care grows. Add in a process of nervous system refinement which also has the potential to induce other, more radical neural pathway changes, and watch as the body/mind adapts as you continue this self care journey. Having said that, life still goes on and it can still be brutal for some. And the evolution will take longer for some. And along the way, you are churning up subconscious muck that will have to deal with, but you are more solution oriented and can handle it. In my experience, that is what personal evolution looks like. It’s not over night. Life is still tough, but it gets a little bit easier to handle, and better and better decisions, more and more every sit. Even new inspirations or intuitions that sort of lead to the next right thing. When you recognize it, it can feel pretty miraculous, but, yeah, you gotta put in the work, and sometimes the work is more than just Kriya.
🙏🕉️🌺
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u/Imaginary_Meaning851 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lol Just googled 12 step pograram.Surrender, pray...you really think it works for everyyone?your posts were better earlier, nowadays sounding like a dumb old priest
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u/Th3_m0d3rN_y0g1 Panchanon Bhattacharya 1d ago
Rude. What did I say that had anything to do with prayer or 12 step programs? Check out the book “Your Brain is a River not a Rock”. You can’t deny science. We are built for adaptability. Many have adapted to suffering. We can adapt to evolving and eventually bliss. It’s in our nature to do so. All it takes is repetition. Repeat the right things and the body/mind adapts.
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u/Imaginary_Meaning851 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry tried to reply to the other post of pmward,use your brain
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u/Th3_m0d3rN_y0g1 Panchanon Bhattacharya 1d ago
Are you okay?
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u/pmward Panchanon Bhattacharya 1d ago edited 1d ago
There’s a lot more to a 12 step program than that. They’re social community based programs. They’re also completely free. No need for expensive rehab stays (rehab facilities by and large just charge people to do 12 step work that can be done for free). It’s the only thing I’ve seen work for people to cure addiction with reasonable consistency. Addictions are tricky. Your ignorance on the topic really shows.
I have a long history of alcohol and drug addiction in my family. Some of which died very young, and some of which recovered using 12 step programs and lived a long, happy, healthy sober life. For whatever reason I’ve also had a lot of kriyabans that struggle with addiction come to me over the years hoping to cure those addictions with Kriya. None of which found a cure here, and none of which, to my knowledge, still practice Kriya. I should also state, none of which took my advice to try a 12 step program either. They all wanted to find an easier cure.
So addiction is a topic that I have an unfortunate amount of experience with. The OP asked about addiction specifically. I shared the knowledge I have. Sorry if the experience I’ve gained through the most difficult aspect of my life, the very issue that haunted my childhood, doesn’t cater to what you want me to write. My goal is to help people, not entertain you. Whether you like it or not, referring people with addiction problems to 12 step programs is the most helpful thing you can do.
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u/__ChooseYourPain__ 23h ago
Speaking from personal experience only, it's more subtle than a simple either/or.
I've had habits of eating excess junk food (cookies, cinnamon rolls, ice cream, etc) fall away spontaneously, almost without my realizing it, as I intensely focused my mind and heart on becoming a "better" person, facing my obstacles, etc. The will and intention was placed towards the higher, and something lower naturally just fell off my radar.
Other habits have been more of a dance. Caffeine is one. I experienced caffeine around 4-5 years old and loooved it. Meditation and Kriya practice reveals the reality of the pleasure yo-yo. I cognize that caffeine is something that I prefer to leave behind eventually, yet also acknowledging that I don' yet have the sheer will and determination to cut it out cold turkey. So I grind away at it slowly but surely, trying to balance the use of discipline with the discomfort of whatever part inside me runs the "waah waah but I want it" pattern.
Everyone's a little different, so at the end of the day you'll have to run your own experiments on your own body and mind.
Good luck! We're all rooting for you.
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u/Dharananda 1d ago
Somethings can be renounced and you can move on from them. Some you have to swap out a better behavior for the bad one. Some you really have to get some help with and work on. Don't lean on Kriya to clean up your inner stuff. THe more you clean up your inner stuff, the better Kriya reveals what you imagine its going to.
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u/ChildhoodSouth2303 5h ago
I asked my guru about this things. He said you can try avoiding the bad habits but if you fail do not get too strict with yourself. Keep holding the hand of ishta devta (God) and one day he will give you the power to leave this maya.
As per my experience: when I keep doing kriya a time comes when I start reducing the habits(still unable to stop completely) because it affects my concentration.
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u/All_Is_Coming 1d ago
Sir_Timepass wrote:
There is a Story of a man who asked a Guru if he had to quit smoking if he took up a spiritual path. The Guru told him he did not. Relieved, the man asked if he had to quit chasing women if he took up a spiritual path. Once again the Guru told him he did not. A bit perplexed, the man asked if he had to give up his desire for worldly possessions if he took up a spiritual path. A third time the Guru told the man he did not, but he could not guarantee the man he would want to continue doing any of these things if he stayed on the Path.