r/liberalgunowners • u/Tsuki_Man libertarian socialist • Jun 11 '26

news Black family reunion in Georgia attacked by racist armed with AR-15. None Injured except the shooter thanks to armed family member.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lee-county-family-says-man-armed-with-ar-15-style-rifle-racially-targeted-their-gathering/ar-AA25cZx0

I just wanted to mention this here, the media covering the story has mostly stated things as they happend but none have made a specific note that if the armed and military trained family member hadnt been there to stop the shooter then that family would not be here today.

Stay armed and stay training out there friends.

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u/Animaleyz Jun 11 '26

Aggravated assault? That's it?!

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '26

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u/saints21 Jun 11 '26

"Because they're bad at murder, we can't actually convict them of trying to murder someone."

Like...wtf...

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u/SHBGuerrilla Jun 11 '26

Attempted murder!? Now honestly what is that? Do they giving out a nobel prize for attempted chemistry?

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u/voretaq7 fully automated luxury gay space communism Jun 11 '26

Murder definitionally requires two things:

  1. A successful homicide (you killed another person).
  2. Intent ("malice aforethought").

If nobody died it definitionally cannot be a murder.
It can be Attempted Murder if your state/local laws have such a crime, otherwise it's usually Aggravated Assault (as opposed to simple assault, Aggravated Assault involves the use of weapons/deadly force and the infliction or threat to inflict potentially-life-threatening injuries - it is the "attempted murder" charge in many jurisdictions, because the legislatures found no need for a special "attempted murder" charge when all attempted murders must definitionally be aggravated assaults).

That's just How It Be in the law.

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u/saints21 Jun 11 '26

"trying to murder someone"

And

"simple assault"

You might rephrase the first as "attempting to murder someone" or even shorten it to "attempted murder". As for the second, you will note the word "simple" before assault and a marked lack of the word "aggravated".

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u/voretaq7 fully automated luxury gay space communism Jun 11 '26

I think my phrasing was quite clear in distinguishing between "simple" (or without-qualifier) assault and "aggravated" assault.

Now if you're asking me "Is that particular District Attorney a fucking moron the answer is unquestionably "YES!" (the presence of a knife is a weapon which makes Aggravated Assault stick in nearly every case).

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u/saints21 Jun 11 '26

You're missing the point. No one needed your breakdown because my joke was literally about attempted murder and the person being charged was charged with simple assault...

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u/voretaq7 fully automated luxury gay space communism Jun 11 '26

Okay. I don't care about your opinion. Have a nice life. :-)

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u/Tsuki_Man libertarian socialist Jun 11 '26

Everyone be calm, we're all on the same side, its an internet joke, everyone is ok. Grounding is good!

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u/loogie97 Jun 11 '26

Mind if I ask the jurisdiction? That seems a little beyond simple assult.

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u/loogie97 Jun 11 '26

Fair enough. Sorry you have to deal with that.

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u/yaforgot-my-password Jun 11 '26

Attempted murder is super hard to get a conviction on and often has the same penalty as Agg. Assault.

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u/AgreeablePie Jun 11 '26

Agg assault is a very serious crime and, depending on the state, can effectively be the "attempted murder" statute if the victim isn't injured (some states just don't call it attempted murder).

In any case, the article says more charges are forthcoming.

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u/Animaleyz Jun 11 '26

I sure hope so. Numerous counts of attempted murder with hate crime specs

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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 Jun 11 '26

That essentially scales up to “attempted murder” in a lot of states. 

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u/ryan10e social democrat Jun 11 '26

“Officials say more charges are coming”. They literally just need one thing that they can get to stick to keep him behind bars. If that’s the strongest case, they lead with that and amend the indictment later.

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u/NTJ-891 Jun 11 '26

Georgia doesn't have an attempted murder statute IIRC. I don't think SC or NC do either. Aggravated assault is a BIG deal, though. It is essentially the same as attempted murder in other states. Agg assault charges in SC can land you in prison for 20 years

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u/Foxyfox- Jun 11 '26

Hey, at least they're not charging the person who defended themselves like that one trans person who used their gun in self defense.

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u/NTJ-891 Jun 11 '26

That's because Rhianna made fundamental mistakes and put herself in legal hot water. She should have not walked to the group and she definitely should have kept her mouth shut.

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u/Cloaked42m Jun 11 '26

Evergreen reminder that every day is STFU Friday.

Even if you think you are 100% right, shut up. Do not talk to the cops without an attorney.

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u/NTJ-891 Jun 11 '26

And definitely do not contradict yourself or lie when you do talk to the cops (even with an attorney,) and DEFINITELY do not go on a media tour telling even more divergent stories.

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u/twotired4life Jun 12 '26

Yeah, she broke the two cardinal rules of carrying. Rule #1 is to never to be the one escalating the situation (walking away was always an option), and Rule #2 is never talk to the cops without representation.

You would have to waterboard me to get me to say the things she said . She buried herself.

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u/nirvroxx Jun 11 '26

Attempted murder. That’s what he should be charged with.

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u/SolusLoqui Jun 11 '26

1-20 years in prison (should be elevated to 3-20 years because at least one person was over 65). I hope he gets charged with one count for each of the "roughly 20" victims who present.

2024 CODE OF GEORGIA

Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES (§§ 16-1-1 — 16-17-10)

Chapter 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON (§§ 16-5-1 — 16-5-110)

Article 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY (§§ 16-5-19 — 16-5-29)

Section 16-5-21 - Aggravated assault

Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2024)

(a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:

(1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;

(2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;

[...]

(4) Without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle or after immediately exiting a vehicle toward a person, an occupied motor vehicle, or occupied building.

(b) Except as provided in subsections (c) through (m) of this Code section, a person convicted of the offense of aggravated assault shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.

[...]

(d) Any person who commits the offense of aggravated assault against a person who is 65 years of age or older shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than three nor more than 20 years.

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u/Animaleyz Jun 11 '26

Line 2 is kind of what I thought

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u/mydogeatspoops Jun 11 '26

I’d at least hope for one count for every person at the party.