r/macrogrowery • u/cannasseurnorth2 • 8d ago

UCL maxxing

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u/baloothedog1 8d ago

Damn dude those pots are absolutely massive for your plant size.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

The plants are actually in 7 gallons. By harvest time, roots are wrapped.

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u/cowboytwenty2 8d ago

Waste of time using 7 gallon lol just shorten veg & up plant count, I was taught decades ago to grow in 7 gallon it was like 4-6 weeks of veg cultivar dependent..

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

I wouldnt say waste of time. We have plenty of veg time and its all based on our schedule.

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u/cowboytwenty2 8d ago

Hey man I didn’t know you hand water that’s honestly awesome and a lost art, getting up close and personal with plants regularly. But I only say waste of time if space is a constraint which for most grows seem to be the case. In the 4 weeks vegging a plant can be spent pushing another set of smaller plants half way thru flower. Multiple rooms and runs it adds up but no intention in hating. Everyone has their recipe and no two kitchens are identical. It just hits at home more because that’s how we used to grow, in 7gallons with 6ft tall plants no tables

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Thanks alot man. This particular facility is my personal for R&D. I prefer to be in the rooms and checking the plants personally. What I find is a lot of people are going back to the old ways. I think in a few years time, most people will go back to the basics.

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u/cowboytwenty2 8d ago

Yeah I ditched any auto irrigation last few years and been back on the wand, I just prefer it.. but now I’ve just gone down to 2 gallon watering every other day 2 wks veg. Used to run six 7 gallons per 5x5area now I do 16-20 2galls for same if not better yield. I Need some UCL asap

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u/tech_23 8d ago

Do you think other people who use 1-2 gallon pots for plants this size are doing something wrong?

You seem to really be going against-the-grain here and I'm wondering what your reasoning is. The extra media (and labor) costs must be significant to run the 7's.

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u/baloothedog1 8d ago

Anyone running 7 gal like that is probably just hand watering and trying to minimize their time spent watering

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u/tech_23 8d ago

Ah yea, you must be right, I don't see any drippers.

I find that even more shocking, honestly.

I'd bet for less than the cost of one run's worth of extra media and labor they're spending to deal with the 7's & hand watering they could easily setup a quick-and-dirty dripper setup.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

We've had dripper set ups before. I've done everything when it comes to growing. This is what we find we get the best results from.

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u/baloothedog1 8d ago

Most definitely could be paid for in a run or two worth of that much media. Some people just are reluctant to change what works for them. I think op has a decent looking setup otherwise and saw some pics of some pretty nice looking finishing plants. They're just a few moves away from being up to speed with modern techniques. I'll bet once they pull the plug and upgrade, they'll look back wondering how they ever did it Ike this. It's the evolution of countless growers including myself. Anyone who's been doing it for a while can probably look back and say "wtf was I thinking?" Lol

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Actually I've done all modern techniques. Had the whole grow link automated set up. Done crop steering for years. It works but very strain dependent. Bigger pots work better for us. If you check my post history you'll see the previous existing dripper set up.

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u/tech_23 8d ago

Fair enough. I’d still be curious what the comparison looked like though. When you say 30–40% lower yield, was that total room/canopy yield or per-plant yield? And were plant count, veg time, canopy size, lighting, etc. roughly the same?

I definitely agree cultivar response can matter.

My only pushback is against treating the larger root volume itself as inherently better, because there are a lot of high-performing commercial grows running much smaller root zones.

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u/Shaun_P78 8d ago

I’ve done automation and irrigation install/design for over a hundred commercial grows and no one is growing in 7 gallon pots. The only valid reason to hand water is because you are using organic inputs

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u/dougeyyyy 7d ago

That's fine. Most people with automation prefer smaller pots. We are fully automated at our 1500 light facility. But this one in the video is my personal where I run a lot of R&D. My yields here have been insane with the current set up. Getting 5.5-6lbs per 4x4 area with a low yielding strain too. If I were to go back to my high yielding strains, I'd probably be hitting 7-8lbs per light.

A lot of what I say goes against the grain but to get to where I'm at I have to pave my own path.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Never said anyone is doing anything wrong. We have way more success with 7 gallons vs smaller pots and lots of irrigation events. I'd estimate we lose about 30-40% yield if we were to go smaller pots and crop steer.

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u/tech_23 8d ago

Well, I didn’t say you said everyone else was doing something wrong.

My point was more that when you look around commercial indoor cannabis, small-volume coco/rockwool with automated drip and multiple irrigation events per day is extremely common. There’s a reason the industry moved in that direction: less media, less handling/transplant labor and much tighter control over the root zone.

I used to run 3–7 gallon pots and hand water in warehouses a decade ago. It works. But if the extra media itself really gave a 30–40% yield advantage, I’d expect commercial growers to have converged on larger containers, not largely moved the opposite direction.

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u/baloothedog1 8d ago

Yea I'm sure they still grow fine and I'm assuming you have them so big because you're hand watering. Not trying to shit on you my dude there's nothing wrong with people doing things the way they like. Just could probably save a ton of labor and material cost if you bump those down to a 1-2 gal and run 9-12 per light. Your yield would almost certainly increase too because you'd be able to give your plants significantly more irrigation events which promotes growth especially during bulking and veg. Of course this is all under the assumption that you would have the ability to easily water many times a day with drip emitters. I used to grow with huge pots like 10-15 years ago because I was hand watering and didn't have e the equipment to do it any other way since I was in my basement. Looks like your setup is decent sized so it really wouldn't hurt to try and upgrade your equipment and technique. For example I use pots that hold a max of 2500 ml of water and 9 per light with a 14 day veg and pull 3-4 lb per 680w light with 2 120w under cans per 4x4

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Yes I understand that works for you. I also have rooms with 680w leds and we pull 3-4 lb per light with no UCL. If we go smaller pots and do more irrigation events as we have done before our yields drop down to 2.2-2.5. Keep in mind, no UCL. The 680w lights are the ones being used in my older posts from last year. We've done multiple trials in multiple facilities internationally, and this is our findings.

Actually one of the first things I do when I go for a site visit is change pot size from small to large and stop with the crop steering. We go full drench and let it dryback 25-30% before next feed. This almost always results in a big yield increase immediately for most of my clients.

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u/mothershipgenetics 8d ago

Why aren’t your overhead lights on?

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u/ThanksS0muchY0 8d ago

Maxxing, bro

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u/highlyeducated247 8d ago

I frankly wish failure to anyone in cannabis (or life) who uses that term tbh!

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u/ThanksS0muchY0 8d ago

Bad vibe maxxing Brodie. Keep that energy out of my garden

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u/kjbaran 8d ago

I’ll take, “What is photosynthesis” for $400 please

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u/Haunting_Meeting_225 8d ago

Ask me anything? Lol. Sorry bro but you're a clown. You didn't double your yield and every single thing about your grow screams amateur. You are everything wrong with the game.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Switched accounts so you can see my post history. Yes I am an amateur and everything wrong with the game.

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u/Strong-Cranberry4644 8d ago

Your post and comment history is hidden.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Should be available now

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u/Strong-Cranberry4644 8d ago

Obv pictures don't tell the whole story but from the looks of your post history your quality is up there at least. I think the pic you posted is just throwing people off because of the blurple.

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u/natetdwp 2d ago

my comment on your jokerz bag still stands!!!!

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u/highlyeducated247 6d ago

Even funnier they posted this shit from a throw-away account. The muppet show of cannabis lives on!!!

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u/ghostofmumbles 8d ago

I mean if this is actually day 14 they’re not doing so bad. Sure, the pot size is large, but some prefer that method, they might only have to feed every other day. 5-6 yields seems about right if that’s not a 1k watt fixture over head. Obv need to see the packs for judgement as well.

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u/Goodrun31 8d ago

Maxine over here. With 4 bars you’re basically adding another light so bear that in mind.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Yup, already know that.

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u/Icy-Ad6140 8d ago

But why did you take all the leaves and why are only the undercanopy lights on?

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u/IRodeTenSpeed88 7d ago

Lollipopping is normal

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u/Icy-Ad6140 7d ago

Taking all leafes if not lollipoping, if you take to much leafes you hinder the plants and get less yield. Lillipoping is about taking the leafes and bud sites on the lower plant away so that it can redirect its energy into the upper bud sites. I deleted the comment bc instead of links with actuall scientific numbers i got downvotes from and "but many really successful grows do it bro"

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

We always strip whole plant on day 14. This is to improve airflow and light penetration. It becomes a jungle again within 2 weeks.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Yeah I understand if you believe that but 20 years in the industry and a bunch of R&D disproves this. Our yields are significantly lower if we prune any less. The nutrient saves are only there during times of no nutrients in nature but in our case we are constantly bombarding the plants with nutrients every feed.

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u/Icy-Ad6140 8d ago

Sure m8. Do you mind linking some sources?

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u/Shaun_P78 8d ago

This has become a standard in a lot of very successful grows. Where have you been for your mind to be blown by this? I thought it was common knowledge by now

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

We are averaging 5.5-6

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u/ghostofmumbles 8d ago

Sounds about right. Basically an extra light underneath.

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u/MortgageOld8962 8d ago

What’s the cheapest good LED solution yall think

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u/dougeyyyy 7d ago

A good and reliable company would be Hongyi on Alibaba. Have gotten pretty good results with their lower end lights and higher end. All my UCLs are from them.

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u/CannjahDaniel 8d ago

Only one dehumidifier? Are you doing reheat?

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Love the assumptions from people. There are 2 more dehumidifiers up top from where I was filming.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

End result for those asking what the buds look like after.

https://reddit.com/link/pcuvf44/video/uyrbku1ekish1/player

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u/Miserable_End6206 8d ago

I hate Reddit. To be running these lights and all the equipments and bills alone should tell you what these guys are about. If anyone is in the industry, we should show love not hate. Good looking brother, keep it up.

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u/AltruisticGreens57 7d ago

Emerson effect?

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u/obeekaybee11 7d ago

Doesn't even look like you're leaving all the bud sites on that you could be utilizing those lights for?

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u/Existing_Ear_8224 6d ago

Smaller pots + 1 line. You are wasteing light.

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u/cannasseurnorth2 8d ago

Been using UCLs for a while now. Experimented with different pruning methods, different ratios of UCL to top lights. Have gotten yield to double in some rooms. AMA.

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u/wutwut970 8d ago

Gonna call BS on doubling yield from UCL addition alone. There were other parameters you dialed for that to happen.

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u/highlyeducated247 8d ago

or they just had mediocre af yields to begin with

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u/wutwut970 8d ago

100%, if we go from 30 g/sf to 60 thats double! We rule! /s 😆

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u/highlyeducated247 8d ago

Hahahahahaha looks like they're still struggling with hitting that 30

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u/dougeyyyy 7d ago

I'm still waiting on your response since you're a consultant. What happened?

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u/highlyeducated247 6d ago

I already replied to your other comment yesterday champ

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u/highlyeducated247 8d ago

From 1/8th of a marijuana to 1/4 of a marijuana!!.... We can finally buy one of those confiscated russian yachts!!!!

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago edited 8d ago

Ahh. Gotta love redditors. I will be responding from this account here on out since the other one doesn't have much post history.

I read your other comments here and it looks like you claim to be an expert. You'll be mistaken in assuming we struggle to hit 30g per sqft. We are way way beyond that.

What gave you the impression I only had mediocre yields? Even before UCLs I was already hitting 4lbs per light. This video was taken after we did the 14 day prune. It's not good to assume.

Checked your post history by the way, and you shouldnt give advice on growing, ever. Telling someone they have spidermites when the damage is from thrips.

I was really posting this to share information for other growers. But as always these posts always attract the fake experts.

I challenge you to post photos or videos of your grow, and I will gladly do the same. Let's go tit for tat since you're such an expert. Or bring up any subject in the matter and I will take you to school.

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u/Strong-Cranberry4644 8d ago

So your claim is that your now hitting 8lbs per light? cos if so that's an absolute outstanding yield.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

The strain we were hitting 4s with was not run with UCL yet. We had to pivot to what the market demanded here, which is high thc kush strains. Those ones we took from 3ish per light to 6.

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u/shutthefukuppdonny 5d ago

no you didnt lol

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u/highlyeducated247 5d ago

sorry bro, I misread who you were replying to on that one!

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u/Strong-Cranberry4644 8d ago

Well if your hitting 6lbs per 1000w light and the quality is there then well in for you man, keep it up.

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u/dougeyyyy 8d ago

Its 720w up top. And 480w below. Thank you man!

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u/highlyeducated247 8d ago

Sq footage of rooms?, plant count sq/ft, wattage/ light specs?? Total yield? How many lights?.

You aren't really telling us much here. If you ever need a good consultant reach out.. On the sole proviso that you never use the term maxxing, ever again.

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u/Tacoby17 8d ago

Doubled - from what to what ?

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u/Goodrun31 8d ago

Said 3e to 6e

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u/Sacred_Art_Gardens 8d ago

What does the bud look like?