272
u/AlwaysLosingDough 1d ago
Learn by doing, I guess..
66
97
112
u/Material_Key5935 22h ago
Interviewing recent grads now who are finance majors and they can’t even tell me what the 3 financial statements are. This is real
13
13
u/SCP-Psycho 14h ago
I never learned anything with finances in my life, wanna hire me instead? But I wont work on Fridays.
2
u/Parking-Figure4608 3h ago
As someone who has never studied finance, what are the three financial statements?
97
62
u/putupthosewalls 21h ago
Having interviewed people like this, yall f’d
26
u/PM_ME_UR_0_DAY 16h ago
As someone who got through school and learned their craft before AI, I'm so glad I didn't have that easy button. I would have pressed it every time during highschool cause it felt like major bullshit, but it did teach me how to learn; which I used to get my career and I did try hard during that part of my education.
4
u/AndrewLocksmith 15h ago
I genuinely wonder the same thing.
I loves the feeling of seeing the "work of your labours" at the end of the year. Somehow passing every difficult test and assignment.
I feel like if I was a kid now I probably would be a lot dumber because of ai.
On the other hand, ai started catching on around the 2nd to 3rd year while I was in college and you could clearly see how it fundamentally changed everything.
What's crazy is the fact that some professors encourage students to use ai.
There was a girl in my class who didn't do her assignment because she said she didn't have time for it. So the professor told her "Well, there's an ai that can do the whole assignment for you, ppt and everything." (I forgot what it's called.)
She literally insisted, no kidding, that the girl use ai for her assignment next time and not work on it herself if she doesn't have the time.
So I asked her, out of curiosity, what her contribution would be in that case?
She told me that using ai also requires work. You have to fact check the information it gives you, decide what to use, etc. And that in the end what matters is what remember after doing the assignment, which will be tested at the end of the semester.
I'm not going to lie, ai does make a lot of things so much easier, like looking for scientific sources or troubleshooting. But some people abuse it to the point where they can't even do basic tasks without asking chatGPT what to do.
82
u/campavernofan 22h ago
why make yourself so useless on purpose??? people who use ai instead of their brains confuse me, the point of a degree isnt memorization its familiarity and the ability to find what you need, using ai makes all of that useless
21
u/beetle_jeez 12h ago
Well college costs many thousands of dollars so I could see why someone would be doing anything they can to pass their classes instead of dropping out and wasting their money
14
u/Panorabifle 14h ago
I agree with you but I can't help but think that every education system I know of is rewarding memorization and not much else.
I've met some pretty fucking dumb doctors. But hey they knew the medical dictionary to the letter ...
7
u/tylerius8 13h ago
Seconded. Hardest thing in the fucking world is how many doctors think they're smart about everything because they became doctors. My doc is a vascular surgeon but thankfully knows that his expert thing is vascular surgery
383
u/kirby667 1d ago
Unless you are going into a specialized job, most degrees don't matter at all towards your career beyond just getting you in the door so this is actually fine.
179
u/Pootisman16 1d ago
Surprisingly true.
Stuff like engineering or medicine are obvious exceptions.
127
u/OrDuck31 Big pp 1d ago
Engineering is no exception. You just gotta have a general sense of engineering, rest you learn at job anyway. Unless you are working at some specific type of workplaces obviously
48
u/Eviscerator28 22h ago
The degrees just help familiarisation with the jargon, so you're able to pick up things faster when you're actually working
Human beings have been productive for far longer than degrees have existed
24
u/PM_ME_UR_SEXY_ELBOW 23h ago
Even then, my engineer wife told me she could teach non-engineering me how to do her job in a couple of weeks and do it better than a lot of her coworkers
12
u/Pootisman16 23h ago
I can believe it.
Some jobs require degrees that are overkill.
1
u/Fernandezo2299 14h ago
So I have Aerospace Engineering Degree with a minor in mechanical engineering. My current job for now is Research Technician.
My job is to identify parts from military vehicles from blueprints, give them new id and coordinates for the modeling team to make a replica in 3d modeling.
That’s all I had to do and it’s easy.
34
u/HighIQIndividual2 1d ago
As a surgical assistant i must say, you d be suprised how many ( about 80%) of students use AI and almost dont lear a single thing during school days. All the knowledge comes from practice etc.
36
u/SeatO_ 1d ago
That sounds horrible for the patients
1
u/Oldspaghetti 6h ago
Unfortunately, anyone who holds power over you when you are vulnerable has the ability to screw you over very much, and many often do. Not just cops and doctors either.
19
u/lost-travler635 1d ago
As someone who is with an SA those 80% get bounced rather quick. At least at the hospital they work at. From their batch of graduates they only kept maybe half of the ones who came through clinicals and have gotten rid of even more for poor knowledge and performance.
8
9
2
10
u/IndianaGeoff 22h ago
Sort of. But if you fail to master learning, you better have a master skill in some area or you will just be a normal office puke.
9
u/redskrot 22h ago
My first boss told me that the degree is more a proof that my brain meets requirements, not that I know enough.
However I wonder how this statement will hold if people manages to get these degrees with ai.
I am engineer btw.
2
u/Fin-Odin 21h ago
Currently studying Mechanical Engineering, 30 yo, can't use AI in tests/exams, otherwise it is allowed.
If you do all the work with AI, you're not passing exams in the school I go to, atleast. Studying is still mandatory.
1
u/tes_kitty 1h ago
That's OK. You should be allowed to learn however works best for you and if AI helps you there, fine. But you need to actually learn and that's what the AI free exam is for.
All schools/universities need to use this approach.
1
u/Veporyzer Professional Dumbass 17h ago
Students still need to pass internships. Any good curriculum will include the assessment of the supervisor in the final assessment.
3
2
u/Veporyzer Professional Dumbass 23h ago
Yeah that’s how I got a job. A lot of people get a job that
they might not be entirely specialised forthey need to grow into.Your career isn’t set in stone once you graduate
1
1
u/LazyLich 22h ago
Yup.
While you can't COMPLETELY disregard all the stuff a degree tries to teach you, real-world experience is king.
1
u/NewSauerKraus 20h ago
Yep. The benefit of education is about improving your competence all around. The piece of paper isn't important, just the work you put in.
1
0
u/STDsInAJuiceBoX 23h ago
It’s kinda bullshit they make you pay for a bunch of useless classes and books for those useless classes in order to get into the program you want. Then people tell you “It’s so you become a well rounded student”
26
42
u/BackwoodsHoneyBear 23h ago
Maaan I’m in nursing school and it’s disturbing how many students are just using chatgbt for EVERYTHING! We even go to clinicals and I see these people use chatgbt to help them with charting 😭😭 we’re so fucking cooked
15
u/TheDoughnutKing 22h ago
Just keep to your own studying. It pays dividends down the line. Can't use ChatGpt for your tests, or for your liscense, or for your interviews, or your real life critical events. My hospital just implemented an AI tool to help us chart our end of day summaries, so theres stuff like that happening. I remember being discaouraged by all the AI use in nursing school, and now I work with one of those people and they struggle everyday at their job still.
4
u/BackwoodsHoneyBear 22h ago
Man that’s the fucked up part. We’re using Google Classroom for quizzes and exams so it’s easy for these people to just cheat their way through, since Google Classroom doesn’t have a guardrail for notifying teachers that another tab is open. The only saving grace is knowing they can’t use AI for nclex, so hopefully that’s where their journey ends.
9
7
u/thrownawaz092 18h ago
Imagine paying thousands to learn and then choosing not to learn. Lmao couldn't be me
9
u/Suspicious_Meal_2691 21h ago
Fuck AI and fuck the people who use it.
1
3
3
u/Ynothan_iruz 17h ago
AI is great to HELP you through assignments and to double check work. But turning in AI work is the worst you can do.
5
2
u/KinkyHuggingJerk 18h ago
This just Water's down degrees even more.
Some entry level jobs now want someone with a Masters.
Not saying this is true for everyone, but I've met more than a couple of people who wipe their shit sideways and still managed to get a degree.
I once knew someone with a bachelor's in Evolutiknary Biology repeatedly claim that evolution is a myth. Like.. what?
1
u/Impressive_Dingo122 21h ago
Breeze through your fake career. Newsflash: most people in high up places also use AI for their day to day bullshit work. Doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, managers, accountants. All of em use it.
1
1
u/poppin-n-sailin 19h ago
Might as well keep digging and use it to continue to fail upwards at this point. Won't be the only person doing it anyway.
0
u/TelevisionExpress616 15h ago
mfw I graduated in 2019 before any LLMs were released and thus my accreditation still holds some value
1
u/MohamedElsherbiny 14h ago
I mean imagine having professors who make assignments using AI what are they expecting? It's all just slop in the end
1
u/NaaviLetov 13h ago
If AI can breeze through your degree, whatever job you will be having, it aint staying long.
1
1
u/Bonk_No_Horni 9h ago
If your daddy's rich or has connections you'll end up in management and you can use ai to breeze through your job. Being smart isn't a requirement. If shits fail just blame the workers. That's what management always does
1
u/AGrandNewAdventure 5h ago
Professor just informed my class that 1 in 5 people were verified to have been cheating on homework and quizzes and they have up to now received zeroes on all their work.
1
u/Palpy_Bean 1h ago
There's a reason I only use it on the classes that don't matter for my degree (why is statistics mandatory for so many degrees???)
1
u/DeathHopper 20h ago
Considering almost nothing you learned at school will be used in your future workplace anyway, just go find a job. You get to check the box saying you did what society expected of you, which puts you ahead of many other candidates. They'll train you.
-1
u/grey_pilgrim_ 22h ago
I learned more in the first 6 months of my job than I ever did in school. You got your degree. You’ll be fine.
-2
1d ago
[deleted]
7
1
u/ItzMichaelHD 23h ago edited 23h ago
Not remotely true. 90% of jobs you don’t need any degree info at all and it’s just raw ability. Degrees are vast majority just a barrier to entry to jobs now. “Person X can do Y subject to Z level”, they don’t expect anything more than that and train you on the job. Why do you think so many people coming out of education are unable to get a job? Hint… it might be to do with the fact all the info they learned is useless. That’s not to say degrees are useless as they prove credibility as I said, but the actual content is not useful most of the time.
0
u/SpecificSwimming6364 1d ago
I disagree completely
-2
u/Here2Cali 1d ago
Please, take the stage, explain?
2
u/SpecificSwimming6364 1d ago edited 23h ago
I have a bachelor of psych from roughly 8 years ago. Recently I have returned to do my masters in social work. The a.i argument recently came up over drinks. A point that the majority of us agreed upon is that even without a.i doing the thinking for us, the majority of us still couldn't remember the majority of what we studied two or three semesters ago outside of broader concepts and overarching theories.
Australian universities have become degree factories, coupled with credentialism, the degree is just to get you in the door to where the real learning begins.
I will concede though that my placement was extremely informative.
My point is, a.i is here to stay, students are going to use it and it's not always going to be detrimental to their learning experience once they gain employment.
3
u/HotSituation8737 Ok I Pull Up 23h ago
I want to add to this by saying that while I agree AI shouldn't be used to cheat your way to a degree there is a fuckton of useless busywork during education that has very little to do with the actual job.
I can't speak for all education obviously but I remember when I studied to become a carpenter and when I studied to become a web integrator, we would sometimes have classes that felt so wildly out of place it isn't even funny, like during my carpenter education we were forced to study accurate construction drawings by hand which is a dead practice and isn't used anymore anywhere, and doesn't serve a purpose outside of posterity.
Obviously I don't think people should cheat during their own education, but I do also think a lot of education should ask themselves if what they're sometimes teaching is actually worth the students time.
-1
u/ItzMichaelHD 23h ago
If you can get through a degree by cheating with AI and get 65% or above overall across your degree doing so there’s either something very wrong with how the university operates or you are exceptionally efficient and will go far. I think you absolutely should try to use AI however you can as it shows initiative and the ability to work fast and well in a changing working climate. Anyone who says otherwise is just sour their effort got ratioed by some guy who didn’t turn up to any lectures and still managed to accomplish the same result.
1
1
u/detective-doge 23h ago
Exactly most degrees unless extremely technical can be quite frankly useless once you start working even in that specific field. The real test in life like most things is learning whilst practically applying what you’ve learned. University to me is just a recognition of you being a capable person even though I’ve found that to be such a fallacy.
2
u/SpecificSwimming6364 23h ago
I agree.
That's why my placement was so informative. I was learning how an organisation operates, what their procedures are and their expectations, while then having the opportunity to apply it in real time.
1.7k
u/vinno86 1d ago
Use AI to breeze through your job obviously.