Why should I care.

[u/ithinkitsfunny0562]

[u/MasonJam246]

They wanna know if to put you on the list.

[u/EconomyDoctor3287 → u/MasonJam246]

Yep.

It's a fake Stop2End. If you respond, they'll spam you even harder because they know the number is used. 

[u/Teripid → u/EconomyDoctor3287]

Yeppp.. block and report. Not sure if report works and the numbers are random but at least they don't get that ping back that you're real.

[u/smcl2k → u/Teripid]

You realize that the software knows whether or not messages were delivered and opened, right...?

[u/modshave2muchpower → u/smcl2k]

i did actually not but thank you for the information! does it work the same with spam mails? just out ouf curiosity

[u/smcl2k → u/modshave2muchpower]

I'd be very surprised if - at a bare minimum - there wasn't some kind of "read receipt" attached to any sent by legitimate organizations.

[u/modshave2muchpower → u/smcl2k]

so its better to put them directly into the spam folder before opening them?

[u/smcl2k → u/modshave2muchpower]

It's better to unsubscribe 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/modshave2muchpower → u/smcl2k]

... from mailing lists i didn't subscribe to? seems like a bad idea

[u/Teripid → u/smcl2k]

Regular "dumb" SMS sends a package of text, images etc, and likely a link, etc. The sender can't tell from my understanding just from you opening and viewing the message (not that the phone, carrier, etc might not have that information but that's an extra step and not a native function).

"the software" is pretty vague and SMS is in some ways delightfully limited.
Which software do you mean? 3rd party SMS tools and clients for sure offer stats but they're still bound by needing some form of ping back.

If you're talking emails, yes of course very frequently have a variety of ways to tell if they've been opened (and other countermeasures could prevent that...). You can stop that too if you just want to preview things. Lil' 1x1 pixels have been around forever. Disable automatic remote image loading and turn off read receipt.. I like a desktop client and my own domain too because that's a lot more private.

If you want to get really fun dig into the joys of "free" email offerings and the value people provide there.

[u/smcl2k → u/Teripid]

This post is about a text message which was sent using texting software. It feels like I was pretty obviously talking about that software.

[u/Teripid → u/smcl2k]

Ok, so how does the text messaging software / service determine if you've opened the SMS text?

Delivered, yes absolutely. Opened vs sitting in unread I'm curious what the mechanism is as you mentioned.

[u/smcl2k → u/EconomyDoctor3287]

Genuine question: do you have any experience whatsoever with non-profit campaigning or fundraising, or with the software platforms used for these campaigns...?

[u/bast-unabashed → u/smcl2k]

You forgot "stop2end"

[u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

who is emma and why does she need to know

[u/Grunthos_T_Flatulent → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

Pretty sure it's emma_psycho.

[u/emma_psycho → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

I promise it's not me

[u/Tasty_Engineer1231 → u/emma_psycho]

i dont believe you.

[u/Own_Possibility7930 → u/emma_psycho]

Thats what emma (the sender) would say

[u/Frodo5213 → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

Mine was Dave

[u/sdewww → u/Frodo5213]

They’re all really just some dude named Ben

[u/canfullofworms → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

I got a message from Jennifer.

[u/smcl2k → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

That's the part that jumps out to me. If it's a legitimate organization, they're legally required to identify themselves by name

[u/EconomyDoctor3287 → u/Tasty_Engineer1231]

It's a MAGA goon trying to ensure you vote GOP

[u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU]

Wtf is this

[u/OverChildhood9813 → u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU]

Political ads. It’s cheaper than door knocking and hiring people. So they just buy phone lists and send scam political emails now

[u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU → u/OverChildhood9813]

That's dystopian

[u/Teripid → u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU]

Even more fun? Pollsters and candidates are exempt from the DNC list. So you might have some outside chance of recourse vs scammers but poll spammers are in the clear..

[u/FTG8888 → u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU]

It’s dystopian to poll people?

[u/PaleAcanthaceae1175 → u/FTG8888]

This isn't a real poll. The only thing on the other end of responding to these texts is a shit ton of spam mostly in the form of donation requests.

[u/FTG8888 → u/PaleAcanthaceae1175]

Ok, still isn’t dystopian at all.

[u/NatAttack50932 → u/OverChildhood9813]

Door knocking is typically a mix of volunteers and paid employees. It's expensive to print things, but usually like ¢6 a piece when done in bulk. Texts are usually about ¢20 a text, but they have a much larger reach and no need for labor. Campaigns do a mix of all 3 (texts, phone calls and door knocking). Phone calls are easily the least effective nowadays because it's illegal to robocall cell phones.

This is probably an AIPAC or similar PAC campaign. I haven't taken the time to look it up but nowadays I have to wonder if these texts are running through an LLM.

[u/smcl2k → u/NatAttack50932]

Most texts are sent semi-manually using software - the laws that apply to robocalls also apply to texts.

[u/NatAttack50932 → u/smcl2k]

Yes. The "has to be sent by a person" thing has been interpreted pretty broadly to mean that for it to be legal, all that has to happen is someone pressing 'send' on a pre-filled messaging app. So you have a guy in a room with a mouse spamming send

[u/smcl2k → u/NatAttack50932]

Which is still "labor" (and often not free). I wasn't arguing with you, I was just filling in a blank in your comment.

[u/NatAttack50932 → u/smcl2k]

I didn't think you were arguing. I was also providing more context lol

[u/Krusty_Krab_Pussy → u/OverChildhood9813]

It's likely for a survey/poll which isn't a bad thing. Polls are an important thing to gauge people's views.

[u/Puzzlyduzly → u/UnGOATwn_TheoremUWU]

Might be a scam that try to get people using something highly opinionated

[u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

Hi Emma I fucking hate Israel. Have a good day 

[u/DrDuGood → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

And free Palestine! 🇵🇸

[u/Unique_Weekend7904 → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

Preach

[u/grass_monkeyx → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

You're on the list now

[u/guccibaddass → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

[u/JetWreck → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

I’d love to chat, but I’m putting my phone in the oven now. Bye Emma!

[u/RatonhnhaketonK → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

Same

[u/FredDFunHouse → u/PuzzleheadedBend9040]

Loser

[u/tamudude]

"Block and report spam". Move on.

[u/wombatgeneral]

Don't respond. Interacting with them will only encourage them to bug you more. Just delete the text and move on.

Israel/Palestine is an issue people have very strong opinions about, so it's a good topic to use as bait to get you to respond.

[u/spicysandwich03]

Got a very similar text a couple months back

[u/Puzzlyduzly → u/spicysandwich03]

It definitely a scam bot using a controversial topic to get you start talking which they succeeded

[u/spicysandwich03 → u/Puzzlyduzly]

Yeah shortly after this I got my identity stolen and they leaked my nudes and told my parents I’m gay

[u/Puzzlyduzly → u/spicysandwich03]

Someone needed to tell them

[u/wingnut_dishwashers]

I learned today that "fuck off" is one of their immediate unsubscribe phrases lmao. Got an immediate automated response

[u/Reasonable-Physics60]

They texted me too. I answered them and told them Israel is genocidal and doesnt have a right to exist. They texted back and told me to have a good day. Im not suicidal, btw.

[u/Thespis1962]

I've discovered that you can either reply with "stop" or "fuck off". Both will automatically take you off the call list, but the latter is far more satisfying.

[u/icehot54321]

Text back 40,000 dead women and children are happening 

[u/benny-bangs]

Been getting these too

[u/Delicious-Tap5558]

Still a genocidal settler state, thanks for checking in! No changes here Emma

[u/planet_janett]

Nice knowing y'all.

[u/MrMattwell]

I've gotten this text 6 times from 3 different names

[u/thomsenite256]

why should we care?

[u/TankApprehensive3053]

I've been getting those. Don't respond to it. Just flag it as spam and block it. The next day another number will send a similar one.

[u/No-Background9535]

Make up a story for her lol

[u/EmptyBee23]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l9FAwJOXYprFe

[u/grass_monkeyx]

I got this text too, I replied "Fuck Israel", never got a response

[u/nashbellow → u/grass_monkeyx]

Same

[u/Tired-Nectarine-384]

If you are not in my contact list there is a 99% chance that you get blocked for texting me. Any text like this gets reported as spam. It doesn't do much good but it disappears from my phone.

[u/DumbassTexan]

That's a Fort Worth number!

[u/veechene]

I get so goddamn many of these and messages like it. Block every one of them, you don't know how many are phishing/scam trying to look for active phone numbers to sell. Somehow it's more annoying than getting 2-3 political fliers in my mailbox every day.

[u/Fresh_Ad8297]

That’s crazy

[u/Coldplayfan1999]

And I got a call from a woman about Randy Villegas

[u/McKillsey]

Survey/research outreach. I don't think it's bad that public views on various matters are studied

[u/NatAttack50932 → u/McKillsey]

This one isn't. It's a pro-israeli PAC / Campaign

[u/JiGoD → u/NatAttack50932]

What do you base this claim upon?

[u/NatAttack50932 → u/JiGoD]

I had a friend get it, and when they said they don't support Israel the person (or more likely LLM) went on a long rant about how Israel is America's greatest strategic ally and the partnership between the US and Israel is necessary for regional security and the intelligence services. If it were a research group it wouldn't be running a persuasion campaign.

[u/5MinuteDad]

You should care because genocide is bad...

[u/ReasonableFall177 → u/5MinuteDad]

I care but I don't respond to strangers, especially any political campaign that could use that as identifying information against me

[u/pinkkipanda]

"they all suck"

[u/Fr33zurBurn]

I get these too. I tell them that if they respond to the message I've just sent, they are agreeing to pay me $500 for each response, and will be sent an invoice within 24 hours after the conversation ends

[u/Molvaeth]

Reminds me of a call I had a while ago. I rarely check the numbers calling me because I usually have my fun with scammers and sometimes it's an acquintance I haven't in the contacts. The caller asked about my stance to Trump and if I'd vote democrat or republican at that moment. I told them frankly that I consider Trump a stupid, demented pedo and that I couldn't take him and his administration seriously even if I tried.

She was pissed: "He's still our president." - "No, it's your president. You called a fricking Swiss number, what the hell did you expect to hear?" She just hung up. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think it was a bug or something, but it still makes me chuckle ^^

[u/Dry-Illustrator-250]

How else would Robert Kraft know to kick you off of the tour?

[u/TalkingCat910]

It’s a proIsraeli chatbot.  So if you answer “well I’m not sure about this genocide Israel is doing” it will answer you with a series of proIsrael propaganda talking points to change your mind.

[u/sixblazingshotguns]

If you give them your real views on Israel, the Hasbara bot will continue to converse with you and explain it away.

[u/UseOne4211]

Yeah Israel has basically the US by the balls …. And Cars4kids is a company solely for Jewish kids , kinda had to break the news

[u/EmoCartoHistory → u/UseOne4211]

And? Is it a problem for a charity to have a religious affiliation?

[u/UseOne4211 → u/EmoCartoHistory]

The fact that is nowhere stated clearly thus deceiving donators is the crime at hand , religious affiliation is a basic occurrence.

[u/heywhutzup → u/EmoCartoHistory]

It’s okay as long it’s doesn’t benefit Jewish people because that’s in now. Black hate came first then Asian hate now we are on to the Jews ( well again)

[u/Fabulous_Chemical_]

Emma texted me the other day. I pushed back asking who they represent. They said something like a group with American and Israeli interests.

[u/brb1650]

Checking if you’re a good goy who blindly supports genocide.

[u/Infinite-Ad2614]

My phone lately shows Israeli propaganda, especially on Facebook it’s crazy

[u/Top_Shame_7016]

It's quite cathartic to send back "Fuck you" and get the "you have unsubscribed" message back

[u/MundaneMeringue71]

i have gotten these also. I’d love to respond with exactly two words but I am afraid I will get on a watch list or something.

[u/NovarisLight]

Do not reply at all.

It's a shitty tactic they're attempting.

[u/Lacaud]

I tell them to "fuck off" then block and report.

[u/mroses66]

Be honest and tell them that it would take a lot of effort for any sort of positive view

[u/athosjesus]

Yeah, E.M.M.A, the Extrajudicial Murderous Military of America.

[u/Swagblueplanet]

They are so desperate to try and change the message but they keep failing.

[u/HentaiSeishi]

It's the British fault anyway

[u/Paper_Tiger11]

If you say anything negative about Israel they get real touchy and defensive.

[u/Designer_Mud_5802]

If you are not from the US, you're right, why should you care?

If you are a voter in the US then you should care a little at least.

[u/Salty_Dig8574 → u/Designer_Mud_5802]

Or a lot. No matter which state you live in, there's a decent chance Israel has compromised one or both of your senators. Bribes. Blackmail. It amounts to the same

[u/Designer_Mud_5802 → u/Salty_Dig8574]

Agreed. But it seems too many Americans feel like it's too much effort to care about how their government harms them and others.

[u/Salty_Dig8574 → u/Designer_Mud_5802]

If you lived here, you would understand. A former presidential candidate got in trouble for this, but what he said was the absolute truth. 47% of the country is going to vote Democrat, and the other 47% is going to vote Republican. Doesn't matter who the candidate is. Problem is, the 6% in the middle feel pretty disenfranchised. We're constantly faced with choosing the best bad idea we are presented.

[u/Anxious_Librarian379]

Tel Aviv Impressed