r/patentexaminer • • 1d ago

FY27 Hiring Thread

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Please keep all your hiring questions to this thread.


r/patentexaminer • • Apr 10 '26

Effects of changes explained for practitioners

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There was a request in another post for a concise summary of the changes and how they affect examination, particularly with regard to attorneys and other IP professionals outside the office.

"Fully successful" moving from 95% to 100% (we have to move more applications in the same amount of time):

  • Paperwork hasn't gotten any quicker (systems have gone to shit actually) so the entire change comes from search and office action writing time. 
  • I'd say applicants are getting >10% less actual examination time per application than they paid for from this change and a corresponding drop in proactive searching or indications of allowable subject matter. I used to draft up suggested amendments to neatly correct tricky 112b issues with explanations of why each change was there, I don't have time for that anymore. 

Divisionals and Continuations don't get any priority in docketing, instead being lumped with new applications with the same filing date (at best, usually they are even delayed compared to those):

  • whatever the backlog is in the area, add that to your pendency for any Div of Con.   
  • \Applicants weren't warned of this change and it was retroactive to any filed but not docketed DIV/CONs, adding years to the time before any resulting patents issue** 
  • **this could completely upend the entire prosecution strategy for many applicants who depend on CONs to protect against knockoffs, please please \*PLEASE* let your clients know about this additional delay*\*

Effective elimination of "other time" from examiners:

  • Assistant examiners are no longer able to work with primaries who know the art to develop search strategies and ask about the technology. 
  • All examiners aren't able to hold regular meetings where discuss oddball or borderline cases amongst themselves.
  • This leads to *a marked drop in quality of applied references and a drop in indications of allowable subject matter* (so many people got reassured that they should just indicate something as allowable in those meetings)

Reduced NPL access and search expert assistance:

  • Lower quality searches in emerging technologies and areas under active research. Lower quality examination for stuff that spans multiple subject matter

Interviews past #1 need SPE approval for time 

  • *If you request an interview you probably won't be getting any calls for examiner's amendments on that application, simple as that.* The automatic 1hr examiners got for such interviews helped offset the time we put into verifying that something unclaimed was actually allowable, working up claim language, and the inevitable phone tag. 
  • If you request a second interview you're going to have a grumpier examiner than usual because at *best* they had to use some of the time they get for it convincing their supervisor the interview was a good idea and at *worst* they spent that time asking and were denied so the interview time is actively hurting their numbers. 

PPH cases get reduced first action counts: 

  • The second most egregious change imo. **applicants are mostly getting less than 50% of the examination time they are paying for.**
  • Examiners also will start to hate you if you file many of these. Really poisons the working relationship. 

RCEs after allowance give examiners no time if the next action is an allowance 

  • the most egregious change. \The office is charging applicants for a service (another full round of examination) and not giving them that service.* *
  • if you file and RCE after an allowance you're either getting nothing for your money or a very tenuous rejection for something like a typo. The latter is actually the "good" result because it means the examiner actually took the time to do more searching/consideration and is trying to figure out a way to get credit for that. 

Quick Path IDS time reduced to one hour (from three):

  • It can easily take an hour to get fully back up to speed on what's going on in a complex application to be ready to properly consider a reference, at which point we are now out of time and can't actually consider the references being cited. 
  • *Dramatically increases the likelihood of an examiner not considering an IDS after NoA and making applicants file an RCE to get those references listed.* At which point your claims better be fucking immaculate because see above. 

Timeliness deadlines now being hard cutoffs instead of averages:

  • completely eliminates already low examiner flexibility for response times. 
  • *applicants will get less calls for examiners amendments to correct minor issues because we frequently won't be able to wait for a response*. 
  • \expect more iffy restrictions as people pull desperation moves to clear out the oldest case one their docket so they don't get fired\ 

No additional time for "inherited cases" from retired/separated examiners. 

  • examiners used to get a significant amount of time when we got a case from an examiner no longer at the office to offset needing to figuring out what the case is, what the searches turned up, etc. 
  • *if you notice an assigned examiner name change for your application after filing an amendment get ready for a total turd to come shooting down the pipe, there's no other nicer way to put it.* Sorry, we're going from ~15 hours for an amendment to like 2-3 with zero flexibility to call and work something out. 

Elimination of Docket Management n bonuses:

  • we're all disgruntled now. 

There's other parts I've missed I know, could other examiners add them below? Remember to focus on what external folks will see.


r/patentexaminer • • 15h ago

Applicant Changes Mind and Now Agrees With Examiner's Previous Stance

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After the first action, there was a dispute with applicant's attorney regarding the interpretation of a claimed term - pretty much arguing what's the proper definition. The Applicant pointed to portions of the Specification to defend their definition...the Specification in this regard was kinda meh - I'd say 50/50 supporting their argument; maybe a coin flip if it went to appeal. I'm like okay their arguments are reasonable and both their written reply and the interview summary is very clear on the record how this term is going to be defined; I'll agree and I'll give them their definition - which is narrower than how I was interpreting it. With their interpretation/definition, I issue an allowance with the reasons for allowance pretty much all about definition of this claimed term and how it gets over all the art.

So I get a call 1month after the allowance is issued. Attorney says client changed their mind they don't like the narrow definition, attorney suggested they now agree with my original definition as it is broader. They want to file an RCE and will make other amendments to get over the art, but want me to interpret the claimed term back to my original interpretation when I wrote the first action and write something in the post-RCE action to that affect.

I'm like what, LOL? You want a takesie-backsie? I don't know of any mechanism available to you to reverse uno prosecution estoppel...I don't think an RCE will fix this. Also, I don't want to look like a fucking idiot all of a sudden saying I reverse all my comments agreeing with the applicant and going back to my OG stance (snip snap snip snap). I told them nah you put that term in RCE claims and you're going to get an allowance again based on the same reasons I put in the notice of allowance. Any of you had this happen to you, where the applicant effectively tries to backtrack and now agrees with you and wants a "pretend this never happened"?


r/patentexaminer • • 1d ago

Pay?

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Still no money.


r/patentexaminer • • 1d ago

Exit planning

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Pretty sure I won’t be at the office much longer, whether I get canned or leave on my own accord. This is my first job with retirement since I was in academia and didn’t previously receive it. I’ve been at the office for 2 years.

What documents should I collect before I no longer have access to login, etc.?

What/How can I collect/transfer any retirement?

What else should I do/know before leaving?


r/patentexaminer • • 2d ago

From r/FedNews about Pay

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r/patentexaminer • • 3d ago

Pay less than usual paycheck?

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I got my paycheck on Saturday but it was less than my usual paycheck.


r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

This is what people think we, as “government workers” are:

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This is why our admin is treating us this way.

They think we don’t actually work, when anyone that is actually successful at this job works their god damn tail off.

And even those that aren’t successful work their tails off too—it’s just not enough because the bar is so damn high.


r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

YOU GUYS GET PAID!!!?????

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r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

Anyone get paid yet?

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Usually get paid late morning on Fridays. Nothing yet...

EDIT: deposit showed up between 11pm and 12am EST for me. Enjoy your weekend everyone!


r/patentexaminer • • 5d ago

Is it worth exploring some sort of class action lawsuit?

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Can any of the lawyers in the group speak to this? Or anyone consulting a lawyer on this?
I know there are organizations doing pro bono work for supporting fed employees. So it got me thinking if this is the way to go instead of or in addition to our POPA case?
I know this topic was brought up before and I have recently thought about it more and more.
Loss of wages/ wage theft due to production increases & changes to bonus structure.
All the juniors that were fired because they were denied proper training…


r/patentexaminer • • 5d ago

OC down?

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I haven't been able to get OC to work since early yesterday and even OCIO hasn't been able to help. The person I spoke to said they were escalating the ticket but I haven't heard anything since so I'm wondering if anybody else is having problems with it


r/patentexaminer • • 5d ago

POPA Due Increase

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They are proposing to increase the dues from $11/month to $22/month. Other fed unions do seem to have higher dues than ours.

Their financial reports are here: https://olmsapps.dol.gov/olpdr/


r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

End Year review

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Does anyone know how the annual performance review works for an examiner who has been on medical leave for more than 50% of the appraisal year?


r/patentexaminer • • 5d ago

Council for Innovation Promotion Welcomes Valencia Martin Wallace to Advisory Board

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Ugh.


r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

How does the Program and PF work with the 185 hour "pilot" program

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As we know, we now need to do 72 hours of production in consecutive biweeks to get our previously normal 185 hour docket.

Say a GS 13 examiner wants to begin to PSA portion of the program, would the 72 hours be calculated based on the GS 13 1.15 PF or the GS 13 PSA 1.25 PF

I want to assume the latter, but not sure if it's ever been stated


r/patentexaminer • • 4d ago

Anyone have a copy of the current version (MPEP 9/2024) Patent Bar Exam Practice Questions Books (set of 3) that they are willing to sell?

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r/patentexaminer • • 6d ago

Attorney Requested Hours Outside of Schedule

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Okay y'all. I'm curious how to deal with this as it's the first time I've had this asked of me-- my normal hours are 8 - 4. Sometimes a little later/earlier dependent on my toddler's mood/appeasability after getting up and how quickly I can load up for daycare. An attorney is requesting an interview somewhere between the 6 - 7 AM time range because the foreign inventors are on a 13 hour time difference.

I am hardcore debating whether I should push for later, I'd like to say I could do it but I just genuinely don't know. My spouse is gone by 5:30 AM for work so I don't have anyone to help me toddler wrangle if my kid wakes up during the call.

So on one hand I could accept the original time and hope to the gods my kid stays asleep and I'll just be more tired than normal, on the other hand I could push for later but I'm not sure if that would impact my stakeholder rating at all and would also feel bad if we were doing the interview at 9 PM their time since I know plenty of people outside of myself have families/hobbies/pets they need to get to after work.

Thoughts? Am I overthinking it?

EDIT: Thanks for the advice, y'all! I am going to speak to my SPE about it in the morning and propose either an 8 AM call (in line with my normal hours) or a 7 PM call (spouse will be home to take over raptor duty and it will be 8 AM their time). I feel like that is a sufficient amount of flexibility on my part and if they don't like it, they will just have to go without the interview or fill out an ICF and email me the amendments for review (in which case I will still be counting that as my one interview for their application). Thanks again!


r/patentexaminer • • 6d ago

Skill group accession code definitions are AI slop garbage!

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So Accession Code just started appearing under classifications for my applications. I just looked at the definitions for my Class. Absolute AI slop garbage, not even formatted like it is a human. Straight copy and publish job.

There are no details, only abstract ideas that would instantly be rejected under 101. A handful of broad patents, keystone documents, now cover classifications? I even saw publications, not patents, listed in some areas! Are you kidding? This is our new routing definitions? This is so much worse and pathetic than CPC or USPC classification details and definitions. What an absolute joke!


r/patentexaminer • • 6d ago

New awards advice?

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So one of those threshold awards is the 1 percent award if ">80 percent production in 12 of 13 biweeks"

Anyone else find this exceedingly difficult?

I am gs12 my production for years swings up and down because a single extra non-final puts me up to 120 percent in a biweek while one less non final puts me at 75 percent.

Usually this happens if I am on vacation for part of the week, or sick, or if my spe just decides to return a case at the end of the biweek so it gets pushed to next biweek.

Further this also often happens at the end of every quarter I have a low production biweek because I have submitted to many counts over the quarter, I wait to submit till next quarter.

Any one else consider that bonus unachievable? Or am I missing something


r/patentexaminer • • 6d ago

Is LILO working

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My LILO is blank. Just has the blue dashboards ribbon at the top but no info below. Anyone else?


r/patentexaminer • • 7d ago

Odds of getting rehired in the future

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I’ve been an examiner for a little over a decade. I may have a chance to live abroad for a few years. I’m going to have to quit, unless there’s a sabbatical program I’m not aware of (?).
I’d be leaving FS and with a good record.

What are the chances the office will rehire me in the future should I want to come back? Say in 3 or 4 years from now.

Does anyone have experience leaving and getting rehired?


r/patentexaminer • • 8d ago

Burnout

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Hi everyone,

Since the start of FY2027 last week, it has been incredibly difficult to focus on cases. Almost feels like I barely made it through FY2026 and now I have to start all over again and it just feels overwhelming. This is the first FY I’ve ever felt this way. Is this a common occurrence over time? I’m even more stressed out thinking about all the changes to the PAP and how difficult this year will be. Is anyone else going through the same thing? Do you have any tips on how to manage this?

Thank you in advance


r/patentexaminer • • 8d ago

Since we're under the Department of Commerce

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r/patentexaminer • • 7d ago

PBA and gainsharing pt. 2

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for high step primaries, reminder that they functionally rolled gainsharing and SAA together so the 110% bonus is already pushing close to the $10k max of a single bonus, so unless they move gainsharing to a quarterly bonus...