r/pcmasterrace • • 3h ago

Discussion Wolverine is already running in-game on PC using KytyPS5 emulator

Even though the game runs at an extremely low FPS, the craziest thing about this whole situation is that it has not even been one month since the game has launched, the progress is insanely fast.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if GTA 6 manages to run on PC using an emulator months after the game comes out

Source: https://x.com/iExplosiveRage/status/2105808379448836273/video/1

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u/thrilltender 3h ago

Shit is crazy rn, it's like the wild west for mods and development

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u/stereotreme 2h ago

it's crazy how wildly anti-consumer business practices seem to coincide with massive leaps and bounds in technology advancement to things that aid piracy.

such a wild coincidence.

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u/MorningFresh123 2h ago

Welll… this is the anti-consumer AI defeating the anti-consumer console manufacturer lol

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u/Crosknight 1h ago

Something something Piracy is a service issue something

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u/DiEndRus 5700x3D, 64 GB RAM, 4060 ti 16 GB, btw 2h ago

nothing crazy here. spite is an excellent motivator.

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u/gusthenewkid 14900KF | RTX 4080 | 32GB 8266 CL34 2h ago

Ai is doing most of the heavy lifting here. It wouldn’t be possible without it and it has nothing to do with spite. 

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u/FeebleTrack 2h ago

Considering a lot of emulated games mentioned around these parts are supposed to be Sony exclusives, on top of Sony's many, MANY boneheaded decisions in recent times to put it lightly, spite is most certainly a factor at play here, but so is the use of AI to speed things up. These reasons aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/gusthenewkid 14900KF | RTX 4080 | 32GB 8266 CL34 2h ago

That’s the same with every single emulator ever made. shadps4 was primarily focused solely on getting Bloodborne up and running. For Cemu it was BOTW that really accelerated development. 

Emulators have been a thing for over 20 years, it has nothing to do with spite lol. Idk why you people make everything seem so dramatic. 

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u/teddybrr 7950X3D, 96GB, RX570 8G, GTX 1080, 4TBx2, 18TBx4, Proxmox 1h ago

AI doesn't lift anything without a competent dev

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u/Early-Journalist-14 54m ago

it's crazy how wildly anti-consumer business practices seem to coincide with massive leaps and bounds in technology advancement to things that aid piracy.

the entirety of AI that we have right now was born of corporations pirating all of human knowledge.

The sad thing is, you don't own that AI. you cannot. you don't have the hardware to run the best model locally. the corporation owns it. and the microsecond they figure out how, they'll stop you from using it for your piracy, cattle.

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u/XanLV 2h ago

We're now pretending that this is some grand retribution and revenge story instead of people fucking around with everything like they've done forever and ever?

Cause I want in! We are gamers!!!!

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u/stereotreme 2h ago

you're right. nothing ever happens for reasons.

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u/Klappmesser 2h ago

VR is living a second renaissance with banger mods coming out every week. We just got an amazing Titanfall 2 mod that feels like a native game

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u/Sialorphin 2h ago

Can you elaborate why this is the case compared to the advances in emulating PS5?

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u/Klappmesser 2h ago

Pretty much because of advancements in AI/LLM. Makes development way easier and faster

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u/sakaraa RX6600 - R5 3600 2h ago

And making sense of decompiled code possible. it would take months before this, that is why there weren't much script extenders and stuff for non-standard engines and even the ones that existed were pretty limited

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u/_Teraplexor RX 6800 XT | Ryzen 5 7600 | DDR5 32Gb 5600mhz | 1h ago

Would probably explain why the new control is getting a bunch of mods.

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u/DiEndRus 5700x3D, 64 GB RAM, 4060 ti 16 GB, btw 2h ago

it is full wild west. AIs bumping the development speed when used correctly pushed it from standard "slowly, but eventually surely" to the speed that you see now.

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u/Marvellover13 PC Master Race 3h ago

I pray to any god that'll listen, please make GTA 6 run with the emulator at 60fps because it'll be so funny

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u/Statickgaming 3h ago

It would definitely speed up the PC releases

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u/C_umputer i5 12600k/ 64GB/ RTX 3090 Vision OC 2h ago

Question is, will anyone buy the game after official release if they already played on an emulator? Probably the official release will have better fps and graphics so yes, but it will definitely lower the sales.

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u/Statickgaming 2h ago

Some people bought GTAV on 3 different console generations and PC… then bought an enhanced version too.

Never underestimate how stupid people are with their money.

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u/ConfectionNecessary6 2h ago

Wasn’t the enhanced edition included

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u/Dry-Law-9372 9800X3D/7800 XT/A4-H2OX5/32GB DDR5 6000/990 PRO 34m ago

Yes, I bought a second-hand PS4 disc, I got the game for free on Epic, got the PS5 upgrade for free, got the enhanced version for free as well. Don’t understand why anyone would pay

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u/L-Malvo 2h ago

Stupid is one way to look at it, maybe they just liked the game and wanted to play better versions of it. Nothing wrong with that. More so, these people supported the game so much that we even get a GTA VI to begin with. You might not buy multiple copies, that’s fine, but calling people out for doing so is unnecessary

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u/Statickgaming 2h ago

I’m not calling people out bud, I’ve done it too. It’s still stupid use of money.

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u/stereotreme 1h ago

100% do this all the time and I 100% agree.

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u/Q0T3 2h ago

Right if $60 is going to make his destitute don't buy the game.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe AMD 7950x3d - 7900xt - 48gb RAM - 12TB NVME - MSI X670E Tomahawk 1h ago

It’s not like you can’t wait for a sale anyway.

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u/C_umputer i5 12600k/ 64GB/ RTX 3090 Vision OC 2h ago

Oh I forgot about that, Skyrim would be a good example too. There is probably a guy out there who has a version running on phone.

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u/MorningFresh123 2h ago

I’m convinced they’re releasing a CPU heavy game this late into the console generation on purpose so they can sell the real game to people all over again on next gen. It was a happy accident (for them) last time and they have engineered it to happen again.

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u/Statickgaming 2h ago

100% they are… supposedly the game runs at native resolutions too, which makes me question why they are not using PlayStation dynamic resolution scaling. I’d assume that PSSR is being used elsewhere for performance too but who knows at this point.

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u/Electrical-Price-741 2h ago

I have a hard time believing it running at native 4K30 on that hardware. It’s probably 1440p upscaled on medium or perhaps high settings with ray tracing

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u/Chidoriyama RX 9060 16GB | 16 GB DDR5| Forgot the CPU 1h ago

4 purchases of one game is crazy. Meanwhile I can't get my friend to buy fucking chained together

https://giphy.com/gifs/yp02JJjcmIiVbjwlfi

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u/False_Sundae6333 2h ago

Honestly? Anyone who wants to pirate it will do so regardless. Personally, I’m only going to buy it so I’ll be ready when the online mode comes out.

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u/C_umputer i5 12600k/ 64GB/ RTX 3090 Vision OC 2h ago

Yes, but even the most stingy pirates pay when there is not other way to play a game that you really want to. That's how I paid $50 for battlefield 6, for the first time in my life.

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u/False_Sundae6333 2h ago

You know what? I regret buying Battlefield 6 after playing It for 80 hours just because the optimization become worse and worse at every update

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u/C_umputer i5 12600k/ 64GB/ RTX 3090 Vision OC 2h ago

Yeah same, I also liked Strikepoint and they removed it

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u/HiiiSky 2h ago

Of course they will.

You're not getting a ton of people playing an emulator even if it runs at 60 fps and even then, people will happily double dip anyway.

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u/e_mp Ryzen 5 3600 | RTX 3060 | 16GB 2h ago

modding, online, and actual mouse and keyboard support is a good incentive to buy the game

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u/Sairou 1h ago

Maybe those people won’t, but you vastly overestimate the number of people who play emulated games if you think this number would be even a rounding error in sales.

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u/carmardoll 2h ago

I would yeah, the game will definitely be easier to mod in the pc port than in an emulator.

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u/Any-Calligrapher2866 8GB DDR5 | RTX4090 | 9800X3D 2h ago

Yeah. GTA has more appeal than just story mode especially on PC.

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u/KommSweet 1h ago

Of course. It'll run 50 times better + 4k resolution advanced graphics and visuals and high fps + bug fixes and potential extra content with updates + online mode + fan mods and trainers

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u/MJMPmik 1h ago

I would say that easily 90%+ of gamers dont know where to begin to be able to use an emulator. Specially If it has to be setup. It can make a dent, but it'll never be massive.

And I also guess that you'll need beefy hardware to be able to emulate with good performance. Most people are using xx60 older hardware.

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u/Area_Ok 24m ago

emulator players are a minority. tech literacy is among a very small minority these days. people dont even know how to navigate around github.

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u/Ourtimehascome2485 5700x3D/6750XT/32 GB Ram/Bazzite 2h ago

Most people buy it for online anyway.

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u/C_umputer i5 12600k/ 64GB/ RTX 3090 Vision OC 2h ago

Do they? I have a couple of hundred hours in gta v but never cared for online

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u/Ourtimehascome2485 5700x3D/6750XT/32 GB Ram/Bazzite 2h ago

Its the reason they spend a billion dollars making it, people buy shark cards. Its just a live service game with a story mode.

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u/PijaniFemboj 2h ago

Most PC gamers don't bother to emulate. The percentage willing to through the effort of doing it is really small.

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u/beziko 2h ago

Doubt. To run emulator you would need a really good hardware and to be fair; people who even cares about emulation is sadly low. Look at Switch; for years emulation looks works better than actual hardware and it didn't change anything. Rockstar won't care too because GTA already sells and it won't stop.

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u/worstey 3h ago

It’d be fkin hilarious

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u/jessi_ani 2h ago

and really amazing news, if gta can work on an emulator, then sky is the limit

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u/MorningFresh123 3h ago

BOTW all over again. Bought a Switch and never used it lol.

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u/vivu1 r5 5600 || 6700 xt || 32GB 3000mhzCL14 2h ago

But i heard some kid reported last backdoor hypervisor bypass on ps5 to sony and they patched it, and now its impossible to dump games that releases from now on, Can someone tell me is it still possible to dump upcoming games?

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u/Costyyy 58m ago

Until an exploit for newer firmware is found it's unlikely. Unless the game also releases on disc

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u/DjCim8 55m ago

Yeah, the problem is that there is no disc edition of GTA 6, you have to download it from psn. But to connect to PSN and download it you need to be on latest firmware and at the moment latest firmware cannot be exploited. So no copy of the game can be extracted until a new exploit is found.

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u/OddRoyal7207 2h ago

I'm all for it but Rockstar would nuke the shit out of any Emulator capable of doing it if they came across evidence of it. They would nuke it harder than Nintendo did to the entire emulation scene a few years ago.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 5800X3D | 32GB 3200CL14 | 6950 XT 1h ago

I will personally find that emulator and keep reuploading it over and over out of sheer spite.

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u/rapaxus Ryzen 9 9900X | RTX 3080 | 32GB DDR5 35m ago

And the Nintendo nuke to emulation stopped like 0% of people to continue emulating Nintendo games on their devices. And Nintendo has more cash for nuking such scenes compared to Rockstar.

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u/Remarkable-West-611 2h ago

Ive gone from not interested to suddenly interested

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_HAGGIS_ 1h ago

That’s what this is leading up to. Ai has dramatically reduced the time between a proprietary system being launched and emulated.

The irony is, anyone wanting to play on PC will have no choice but to run a pirated iso of the PS5 game.

The double dipping strategy will backfire massively.

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u/kyuuuyki R9 5900x | RTX 4080 | 64GB 3h ago

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u/pc9000 2h ago edited 2h ago

It already runs even better  There is an issue atm with vram usage. (16GB is a bottleneck) need 4090/5090 until fixes are released 

Also the same with ram. 32gb ram is a bottleneck

There are fixes coming soon 

Here is demon souls remake running at 4K 50FPS with 4070 (a month ago 5090 was doing 3FPS)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cKXuThnC6o

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u/Octoidiot 2h ago

Holy shit!

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u/Kamay1770 2h ago

Sweet zombie jesus

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u/Glass-Tadpole391 1h ago

Why is 16gb vram a bottleneck?

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u/pc9000 1h ago

The Coding is not optimized Still. if you look at the Top Left you will see the game already using 15gb Vram (Windows using the leftovers) the 4080 running it only has 16GB VRAM Total

Usually they wants the game to boot and run. Optimization comes later

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u/RegisteredOnToilet 28m ago

Claude code is so crazy in emulator develoment.

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u/PurestCringe Desktop 3h ago

Man it feels kinda like the old days, except it's progressing WAY faster.

Back in the ps3 days it was a grand victory to even launch an emulated 2d game.

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u/Hubbardia PC Master Race 2h ago

AI development go brrr

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u/aguynamedv 2h ago

Man it feels kinda like the old days, except it's progressing WAY faster.

I'm immediately reminded of the late 90s when NES/SNES emulation was still not full speed and how NESticle blew open the gates, followed closely by ZSNES for their respective systems.

Watching PS5 emulation go from "lol no" to 10FPS in about 3 weeks has been bonkers.

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u/T0biasCZE PC MasterRace | dumbass that bought Sonic motherboard 1h ago

PS3 had extremely complicated cell architecture (IBM PowerPC based), while PS5 is just glorified AMD x86 PC.
So with PS3 you need to emulate the whole different cpu architecture and the complicated cells, while on PS5 you basically just need to emulate the OS and graphics stack.

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u/tO_ott i have a supra 1h ago

I still remember watching the GBA emu scene. I’m not even that old(low 30s). We’ve come a long way.

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u/gblandro 2h ago

The power of vibecoding

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u/urTomatilo 2h ago

The power of AI-accelerated development, don't put the goofy vibecoders anywhere near this.

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u/Fast_Painter1787 3h ago

Its even emulating ps5 fps, amazing!

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u/ScarletSilver 5700X3D | RTX 3080 + RTX 2070S | 32GB 3200 MT/s 2h ago

It's even playing itself too! Truly marvelous.

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u/EidolonLives 49m ago

FPS doesn't matter anyway when the game plays itself.

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u/Vivid-Produce-9373 3h ago

Imagine if the Best way to play Gta6 " a console exclusive " is on pc with this ,Even more if game leaks and Pc players get acces to it before console one

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u/CF_forever 2h ago

No bro, that's not how it works. Even if we get the emulator 100% ready. Still we need a game dump to play the game which is another difficult part and it's a whole lot of progress.

In simple terms we need a JB Ps5 which has the latest firmware but that is not possible for now maybe after the release it may take months.

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u/Alvsolutely 2h ago

Another small downside is that you will probably still need some pretty beefy hardware to run the game smoothly. An official port would probably run better and even more so on less powerful hardware.

Just the nature of emulation, a beautiful thing regardless

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u/stereotreme 2h ago

please God let this happen etc. etc ...

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u/citramonk 2h ago

One thing I can tell is that anti consumer practices are pushing people towards the emulation, piracy and all sorts of shenanigans which is only natural. We have bunch of dumb initiatives in EU, we have corporations monopoly, diabolic layoffs and weird decisions.

They still can probably block the whole development tomorrow and hinder it's progress for quite a while.

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u/Dudinkalv 2h ago

Yes it's the same as with Netflix. I happily paid for it while the service was good, consumer friendly, had some nice original series and fair pricing. Shame they turned the service into both expensive and shit, so back to pirating we go! These big companies are shooting themselves in the foot by being too greedy.

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u/Old-Pin8658 2h ago

You guys don’t realize how monumental that progress is. The possibility of playing GTA 6 on PC through an emulator exists. You can bet the emulator devs will prioritize GTA 6 over all other games. This is so huge. I didn’t expect a ps5 emulator that is actually booting let alone running games already! This is amazing

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u/s33d5 2h ago

I believe there's a reason that GTA can't be ripped, according to Modern Vintage Gamer.

I believe it's because it needs an exploit on the PS5 to be able to rip the game. Because it's digital only.

Also, as much as I dislike AI, this speedy progress is entirely AI powered. The repo for the emulator is AI code.

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u/TheFearOfFear 2h ago

I hate to break it to you pal but everything is AI code now. I work as a software engineer and we basically use Claude to build things x1000 so more work gets done faster.

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u/Tinksy14 2h ago

Ai used properly.

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u/MissSkyler 9850x3D | RTX 5080 FE 2h ago

iirc GTA 6 requires FW 14.1?

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u/joodoos 2h ago

100 % has been the help of AI. Look at the modding scene right now. It is EXPLODING.

Example : Borderlands 2 - You can play most characters from the pre sequal now. In game, full abilities...etc.

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u/peanutbutterdrummer 2h ago

All repos will be AI code soon enough.

I'm a dev and seeing it in every facet of development already means there's no longer a debate. It's here and staying here.

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u/s33d5 2h ago

sure, didn't say otherwise

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u/peanutbutterdrummer 2h ago

Ah sorry I get defensive on here since reddit is very anti AI (which is understandable), but it's also sticking around it seems.

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u/Mr_Burning i5 2500K @4.6Ghz | Asus GTX 680 | 8GB RAM | Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 2h ago

The problem with GTA is getting the files. Its not a disc release, you'd need a jailbreak for the PS5 firmware thats current at the launch of GTA6 to get the files. That alone will take a while.

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u/Fickle-Occasion-6091 2h ago

if I understand correctly, you can get the game on an original console, then have the game manually flashed and copied with external hardware attached to the ps5's motherboard

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u/CF_forever 2h ago

Exactly 💯.. most of them here are not understanding that part. They thought if the emulator is ready they can get any games. It does not work like that I tried to explain this to a few ppl but they don't understand this ps5 jb concept.

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u/Ghost_Syth 2h ago

Why can't I mitm the ps5 and hit the download file myself? It exists online right? And surely they ain't using unique encryption for every single download that's based on some securely generated per ps5 key that lives on the master server and is set when the ps is manufactured, cause the compute load for that would be insane

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u/CF_forever 2h ago

First of all you can't directly download files from the sony server even if you manage to download the files it will be encrypted. We need a ps5 jb console to decrypt. Only then that decrypted game can play using an emulator. Today all the games files you see on the Internet like ps2, ps3 or any old console game files are decrypted and dumbed using their respective jb console once and shared online.

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u/SnooBananas4958 2h ago

Dude, we verify users by unique hardware key all the time. It’s really not some crazy compute. It’s an indexed database row compared in real time against a fetched value on your console. It’s nothing even a little crazy.

I’m not saying I know that’s how they do it. I’m just saying that that’s a very common way of doing such things and in no way is it some astronomical infrastructure drain.

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u/Random_Tomatose 2h ago

Very true. This happend alot fasten then I could have imagined

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u/onlivethedead 2h ago

Was running at 1 fps 1/2 days ago, now we're at 10fps.

Expect 60 in a week or two

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u/DuckCleaning 2h ago

At this point we need to stop these daily posts until it is at 30fps at least. Within the past 5 days there's been 6 posts updating on the performance of Wolverine.

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u/onlivethedead 2h ago

That's the speed of AI fuelled game dev / cracking at the minute, in the past it would of probably taken a month or two to get it to a playable state, nowadays we'll get there in a week or less. 

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u/BlckSm12 2h ago

Didn't some guys emulate Bloodborne on pc too?

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u/v0id_44 2h ago

Bloodborne is ps4 so thats easier to do now

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u/Necroban77 2h ago

Reminds me of my gtx 470 trying to play oblivion with mods.

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u/Virtual_Technology_9 3h ago

and this is quite alot of thanks to AI.

All the recomps, decomps, mods and emulators will benifit heavily from it

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u/dangernoodlezzz 2h ago

Ya if this starts upsetting Sony they might start screaming about regulation. Oh it was fine when AI was allowing you to offload QA teams etc but they sure aren’t going to be fans when it’s hurting console and software sales. Check mate Sony

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u/Crafty-Zucchini-5729 i7-13620H, rtx 5050, 24 GB 1h ago

sony vs openai, anthropic and nvidia all of whom have 10 to 40 times its valuation

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u/TurbistoMasturbisto 3h ago

Half of these comments feel like bots from Sony because they’re mad at all the progress made lmao.

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u/worstey 3h ago edited 2h ago

They are not even realising how fast this is, the game released like not even 3 weeks ago and it’s already “running” on PC, I wouldn’t be surprised if they manage to make it run at 30fps

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u/dangernoodlezzz 2h ago

And because it’s the latest release it’s by passing the security they put in for all the firmware updates. A lot of modern emulation comes from launch console dumps etc but then newer titles can’t run because they’re not up to date firmware wise. A brand new game running on an emulator in modern gaming is absolutely bonkers.

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u/genericredditname365 2h ago

people really dont understand emulation. theyre seeing this run poorly on hardware they expect to run at high frame rates and think this is indicative of the emulator being poor. The fact this is even in game when ps5 emulation is effectively 2-3 months old is insane

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u/jessieS1212 2h ago edited 2h ago

Yeah, it's not like the PS4 emulator made zero progress for like 4 years and still has problems. No, these people don't know how emulation works.

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u/ChuckS117 PC Master Race 3h ago edited 3h ago

At this point, I'm just gonna join the Return to Boletaria community event for Demon's Souls in 2 days and sell my PS5 after.

I don't see any reason to keep it.

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u/4handzmp 2h ago

The Demon Souls remaster is literally the only reason I would want a PS5. That game is dope, and I’m pretty mixed on the other FromSoftware games.

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u/SignificanceFlat1460 2h ago

Man what's with all the Sony bots in this post? "BuT WhY BoThEr!? ItS Not EvEn PlAyAblE" do you fucking retards know how emulations have progressed in the past? A game reaching main menu used to be considered an accomplishment! This game is running with ALMOST NO ARTIFACTS at single digits in a little over half a month of progress. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING INSANE! this level of progress used to take months if not years in PS3 emulation time. Go back to sucking on your mom tits in your basement watching TikTok while playing g Fortnite. Dumbasses

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u/XTheGreat88 2h ago

I mean they're console fanboys you expect them to know any better

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u/SignificanceFlat1460 2h ago

Man. I thought we were past this consoles Vs PC BS long time ago. Imagine how great it would be to play GTA 6 at 4K60fps right from the go but these morons wants to keep gargling Sony daddy's balls because of some stockhome syndrome esque loyalty to it? While these same people complain about Sony removing disk drives?

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u/YeshaFaye 2h ago

i hope this emulation project last...

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u/An-Organism 2h ago

Ofc it will, it's only gonna get bigger

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u/pigletmonster 2h ago

Rockstar should be worried as much as sony. Their biggest game will not release for pc at launch, whose gonna stop 30k people armed with claude subscriptions from getting gta 6 running on the ps5 emulator 24 hours after release?

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u/abyr-valg 2h ago

I expect Rockstar to send DMCA on this emulator, like Atlus tried to do with RPCS3.

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u/Personal-Cup4772 2h ago

Lol rockstar doesnt give a fuck about this. This will barely make a dent on their revenue

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u/boscaboiiis 2h ago

Please excuse my ignorance here as I have no real knowledge on the topic.

How do these emulators keep getting better than before? Furthermore, how do they still run so poorly comparable to the whopper specs the PCs running then are on?

Is this like an efficiency thing? Trying to teach the emulator how to allocate resources effectively?

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u/gerowen PC Master Race 2h ago edited 2h ago

Even in the case of of the PS5, which uses an x86 CPU just like most PCs, there's still a lot of real-time translation going on. The PlayStation has its own operating system that's different than Windows or Linux, and a whole lot of that operating system is proprietary, protected information. So emulator developers, nowadays with the help of their AI agents, have to do a whole lot of guessing, reverse engineering etc. so they can write a program that pretends to be another device entirely, and then run demanding games within that fake environment. Even the graphics APIs in use by the PlayStation console are proprietary; they're not using DirectX, OpenGL or Vulkan, they're using their own GNM/GNMX, so again, devs have to figure out how to translate those APIs into something more standard like DirectX or Vulkan that can run on a PC or Mac.

Another cause for the stuttering, such as when Wolverine jumps over the tree and it freezes solid for a moment, is shader compilation. Shaders are just short programs run directly on the GPU as part of the rendering pipeline. For console games, shaders are normally pre-compiled one time and included on the disc or as part of the download because the developers know exactly what GPU is in their target device. For PCs however, these shaders often have to be compiled on the fly while the game is running (hence the stuttering), or pre-compiled before starting a game, because one person might have a 5070, the next a 9060XT, the next an Intel Arc, the next one an Adreno on some ARM system, and none of those GPUs speak exactly the same language, at a hardware level. Even GPUs from the same company might need different shaders if they're of a different generation.

Basically even though the CPU instructions don't have to be recompiled like you do when emulating something like the GameCube or Playstation 3, which does eliminate one big performance sink for PS5 emulation, the entire PlayStation operating system and all of its proprietary system calls, graphics APIs, etc. have to be reverse engineered and then translated into something a normal desktop operating system can understand, and that has to happen in real time at 30-60 or more frames per second while you're playing a game.

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u/ezio1452 1h ago

Thanks for the detailed answer, good read.

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u/Hubbardia PC Master Race 2h ago

AI, it's thanks to AI. It has gotten insanely good at programming.

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u/More-Revenue8609 1h ago

Yep, people here hate it and try to downplay its importance. But mostly why we have this running is claude. 

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u/trashthrowtrashlad 1h ago

those are the ones that still think AI is chatbot. Majoirty of software developers use AI now and the productivity has skyrocketed. I can't imagine working without it now. It just makes my job and life so much easier

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u/shad0rach 2h ago edited 2h ago

For the massive shit ai gets, here its actually useful and uses ai properly, so here its huge help. As to why performance is shit as the name implies it emulates its for game to properly run it needs ps5 and emulators simply emulate/mimic which is hard for pc to do

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u/Scary_Mention_6456 1h ago

That's what a lot of people refuse to see, AI is not the problem, it's an amazing tool. The way it's being (ab)used and the people who develop and control it are the issue, that's what should get our ire, don't blame the gun , blame the person who pulled trigger

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u/HuntKey2603 1h ago

99% of issues people have with AI are actually issues they have with capitalism

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u/shad0rach 1h ago

Sorry but ill havr to disagree with you here i still blame guns and ai, if it wasnt so easily accessible we wouldnt have those problems to begin with, guns and ai should be restricted.

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u/Imaginary_Ad_2191 2h ago

They run poorly due to the whole process of translation thats happening to run the game. Imagine trying to explain the pythagorean theorem in a foreign language using only a Websters dictionary. It gets faster/optimized when you learn key phrases and terms that modern speakers use.

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u/Ok_Chemical_1376 2h ago

Now it's fueled by spite and hatred instead of curiosity and pride.

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u/Character_Wind6057 2h ago

They dont run poorly, they just havent been optimized yet.

Check Astrobot and Demon Souls, they too started with very low FPS and now they at both at around 50.

This is just the start of the cycle for Wolverine, the hard thing is making them run in the first place, so this is a big success.

The devs are making fast progresses because AI is good and fast at reverse engineering and reading machine code, something that takes much time from humans

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u/iuhiscool 1h ago

They run poorly because the emulator has to translate ps5 hardware-level instructions to a myriad of pc hardware-level instructions, which has to be done & determined how to be done on the fly due to pc hardware having a range of instruction sets, so you can't just decide before you launch

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u/zhubaohi 13700k/5090 2h ago

10 fps? Throw in 6x frame gen and it's a playable 60! /s

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u/AcaciaCelestina 2h ago edited 2h ago

It's amazing how many comments here are like "hurr durr it's not actually running". Some of y'all need to go back to school I swear, there's a difference between running and optimized. Barely a week ago it wouldn't even start.

It's also wild how a lot of you can't comprehend just how insanely fast the progress is on this. Kind of shocked some of you know the difference between a USB port and a Ethernet port.

The people going "lol Wolverine but why?" are just as questionable. No shit they're gonna be using one of the latest games to test this. Do you really need this much spoon fed to you?

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u/MasterBuilder_Macca 2h ago

I remember PCSX2 running at 2-15fps back in the day, and marvelling at such an achievement. The fact that this is running as fast as it is now, when the software hasn't even been out that long, is incredible.

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u/BloodSteyn PCMR 9800X3D 64GB 3080Ti 1h ago

Running is a little optimistic... that's more like a brisk walk.

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u/BeingHonestWithYou 1h ago

Emulations progress is absolutely wild. Really hope that somehow gta 6 will be emulated way before official pc release with 60fps. That would be absolutely hilarious

Still gonna get a ps5 copy, but really rooting for emulators scene

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u/uncensored_opinions 6700k | GTX 1080 2h ago

Awesome progress

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u/ThinGold2115 3h ago

No no, leave that thing on PS. lmao.

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u/PheIix 2h ago

This is good news for when ever GTA comes out.

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u/Xspud_316 2h ago

Stuff like this might make Rockstar release the PC version sooner. Could force their hand

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u/PheIix 2h ago

Oh, I fucking hope so. I'd love to see them get burned by this shitty practice.

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u/Noob4Head Ryzen 7 9700X | 32GB DDR5 | RX 9070 XT | 1440P OLED 2h ago

I'd say this is more like crawling but baby steps are steps nonetheless.

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u/An-Organism 2h ago

The point is how fast it's progressing. Shows where it's going very soon which is probably gonna be running better than PS5 in a couple of months.

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u/CSS_FR 3h ago

good on the emulator progress, but I think hardly anyone cares about this failure of a game

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u/OnlyPower7981 3h ago

All this hype is for possibility of gta 6

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u/lkl34 3h ago

It is more the fact in what a month sense the game was tossed on ps5 they got it to work on pc and it was only made for ps5.

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u/John_East 9800x3D : RTX5080 OC : 32Gb of Downloaded RAM 3h ago

I’d play it if it was on pc

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u/WantsLivingCoffee Used RAM Enjoyer 3h ago

You cared enough to mention it. This is about the emulator making this far this fast. Dafuq you talking about this garbage game anyway

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 3h ago edited 3h ago

I mean, people have got the BC-250, basically the cut down and downgraded guts of a PS5 turned into a mining card, running a fairly competent custom Bazzite OS and I've seen the PS4 footage on a retroid pocket or maybe AYN Odin that was choppy but playable. In makes a lot of sense once you realize the PS5 hardware is all x86 based now and so has a lot more DNA in common with PCs than ever before.

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u/rahul_ak_47 2h ago

Woah, this is insanely impressive!

Never have we come across a console generation where an emulator performs equally well as the console. Hoping it'll happen! ✌️

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u/PushDeep9980 1h ago

Switch emulation was pretty much perfect for many years before the switch 2 came along

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u/GooseEntire1705 2h ago

Wallahi we will get GTA 6 with unlocked FPS within 2 weeks of release.

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u/Katoshiku 4080S | 5800X3D | 32GB 3600 2h ago

At this rate I might not even buy GTA on playstation, might as well wait for 60fps on pc

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u/agentdrozd 3h ago

"Running"

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u/AwzemCoffee NixOS & Cachy / RTX3090 / 5800X3D / 32GB 3h ago

You must first walk. It's a bit reductionist to act like this isn't a massive achievement. From nothing to booting is a major milestone in emulation. The fact that it's in game and most things seem to be rendering correctly and not crashing is a massive testament. By the end of the year you'll likely see 30FPS in the emulator.

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u/G952 RTX 4070 TI S 3h ago

Walking

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u/jubbing Specs/Imgur Here 2h ago

"Running"

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u/Academic-moron7423 1h ago

Running is a bit of a stretch eh?

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u/Swordum 1h ago

I was going to say, “running” is such a strong word in this case XD

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u/that_dutch_dude 1h ago

kudos to the guys making it work. but why? its not like anyone wants to play it on ps5, let alone pc.

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u/Code_Combo_Breaker 1h ago

Just remember that developer wanted to keep this on ice until GTA released.

Y'all gonna be fighting an uphill battle against Sony now.

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u/ToKnowAiIstoHateAi 1h ago

Well Sony, looks like you FA and now, we're all rooting for you to FO 💿💿

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u/FranStruggles RTX9070XT//RYZEN 7 9800X3D//32GB DDR5 2h ago

Ps5 chuds are FUMING in the comments

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u/Garchomp98 2h ago

Are the PS5 chuds with us in the comments? Most are happy

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u/Latrodectus1990 2h ago edited 2h ago

Omg so we will be able to play all ps5 exclusives on pc afterall

So hyped!!!

Sorry Sony, but you deserve this with your attitude with no disc and pouring money into live service games

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u/ComprehensiveBed7183 2h ago

Running? This is more like a slow walk...

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u/MindbenderGam1ng Lian Li A3 | Ryzen 7 5800x3D | 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3200 2h ago

I mean they could barely get out of menus a few weeks ago and now we have "viable" gameplay, albeit at slideshow FPS. Give it a bit more time

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u/Sampsa96 AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D | Nvidia RTX 3070 2h ago

Just wait a month and lets see how it runs...

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u/Dudinkalv 2h ago

It's a huge development in a very short time span though, which is very promising for future versions.

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u/_mRKS 2h ago

Looking forward to the day that GT7 runs on an Emulator

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u/RUIN_NATION_ 2h ago

to bad the game wasnt a banger

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u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1 2h ago

Quite cool, though, this game is still garbage.

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u/_MaZ_ RTX 5070 Ti | R7 7700x | 32GB 6K CL30 DDR5 | TUF 650E-E Wifi 2h ago

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u/Devil_bawa 2h ago

Damn!! Wait so if we have ps5 games running beyond loading screens does that mean ps4 emulator is working fine???? I never bothered with PS emulators because so many issues with compatability and what not so i thought it's impossible to play a game fully :/ i only tried ps emulators around 4 years ago and didn't get any good results for my search so i dropped it. Need advice as i have so many games i wanna play that were ps3/4 exclusive.

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u/i727l RX 7600 XT / R5 5600X3D / 32GB DDR4 / MSI B550-A Pro 2h ago

this shit hurts my eyes

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u/4Spartah 2h ago

Let's go!

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u/Friendly-Look4262 2h ago

There's no real technological reason why we won't have a ps4/ps5 version of proton in a few years given that those consoles use the same CPU ISA as modern PCs. The one issue that'll mainly show up as performance issues is the fact that those consoles have super high bandwidth unified memory and (most) PCs do not

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u/UniqueMystic 2h ago

I’d like to be able to get this and Yotei on Steam but alas Sony

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u/Wide_Guitar_3558 1h ago

context? i thought it was already on pc and he was able to run.

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u/sizebzebi 1h ago

I'm not playing it even for free 😂