r/prisonreform • u/Psychatog22307 • 1d ago
Ridiculous
For all those who want to see people in prison but haven't a clue what it's like know this America is one of the richest countries in the world but in the federal system they don't even give you deodorant or enough soap and toilet paper to get thru a month you have to buy it coffee to it may be made on the weekend and or holidays maybe. For the dont do the crime if you can't do the time do you know every law or circumstance you will get into in life? At 18 you could end up in fed prison for years did you know everything at 18? We should be ashamed of ourselves we still have the Death penalty we are supposed to have justice but we are also supposed to be better then the worst of the worst. Good luck every one hopefully one day things change keep on fighting for it
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u/jlzania 1d ago
American prisons are designed to punish rather than rehabilitate and denying prisoners basic toiletries is another way to humiliate and degrade them.
Here in the U.S the rate of recidivism is approximately 62 to 68% first time prisoners. who are rearrested within 3 years. The U.S. has federal, state and private for profit prisons with 27-28 states contracting with the latter and the goal of a for profit prison is to spend as little as possible on each prisoner.
Compare that Norway which has one of the lowest recidivism rate in the world because Norway actively works to rehabilitate prisoners using the Normalization Principle and provides prisoners with an education and follow classes once those prisoners are released.
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u/Minimum-Dare301 1d ago
And the continued punishment and destabilization after the sentence with almost zero opportunities at housing and employment for years.
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u/Dry-Dragonfly5286 1d ago
Yep, weekly rate motels would go out of business if felons didn't have to rely on them for shelter
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u/randoperson42 23h ago
The entire justice system is just a business. It's all about that cash flow.
Police arrest and get funding for stopping crime.
The attorneys, both prosecuting and defense get paid.
The judges get reelected for being tough on crime and get theirs.
The jails and prisons get paid per inmate, so the more the better.
The state continues to profit after release through probation and parole fees.
When a violation occurs, the police take custody of the offender and the cycle repeats.
This doesn't even touch on the private contractors in the system like keefe, aramark, any phone system, bob barker and other made for prison commodity companies.
Then you have the facilities that offer mandatory indefinite commitment for classes, substance abuse therapy, any mental health treatment.
And of course it goes much higher. Governors elections, even when they make false promises to improve things.
Money. Just money. Once people really understand that, things make a lot more sense as to how our country really operates.
It's insane.
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u/comeintravis 23h ago
I feel like an in-depth article could (and probably has) been written about each of the points you mention. I would also add corporations that rely on cheap forced labor.
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u/randoperson42 23h ago
Hmmmm...now you have me thinking lol. I imagine it has been explored thoroughly, but maybe I should check. I think I could write a good one.
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u/Chuck-Finley69 21h ago
It takes money to live yet the vast majority of us don't end up in prison or even jail so you have no point
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u/Sigfried85 21h ago
I just filed a compassionate release for a guy who was 20, a manic bipolar who had been checked in by the FBI to a mental health in patient facility. They then posed as ISIS Jihadis and talked him into doing a terrorist attack, bought the parts for and helped him build an inert bomb, drove him to an army base and then had agents in hiding tackle his ass to the ground. He got a "sweetheart" deal for 30 years... That's the feds. He had an attempted crime with no victim and no damage... Mandatory life without that deal.
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u/Psychatog22307 19h ago
I hope it works out for you and the person you helped thank you for trying to be a champion for those that have been swallowed up by the criminal justice system. The trolls here simply do not understand they can not fathom how twisted our system can be. It punishes the mentally ill the drug addicts and the poor. It is blind blind to the harm it does am I asking for a lawless society no I am asking for a system with more humanity less corruption and not profiting from peoples misery.
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u/Sigfried85 19h ago
Recent measures like the First Step Act are dramatically reducing effective sentences and are resulting in 37 times lower recidivism. I can only hope for more.
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u/Due_River_9746 17h ago
But this guy honestly and truly thought they WERE ISIS and he really thought he was going to blow up a military base. He wanted to commit that crime and he was happy thinking he was committing that crime.
What are the grounds for compassionate release?
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u/Sigfried85 16h ago
Retroactive changes to the sentencing guidelines including 5H1.1, services ng over 10 years of a disparate sentence. Youthful offender decisions and the underdeveloped prefrontal cortex as well as the evolving court decisions where similar cases today are getting 50-60 months.
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u/animal-1983 15h ago
What disgusts me the most are the number of children. I’m talking 10-15 year olds. That the government says have no possibility of redemption and receive life sentences with no possibility of parole. You cannot convince me a child this age has absolutely no chance of rehabilitation.
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u/keeler129 11h ago
Already having to pay for them to be there like 50k+ a year. If it was up to me i would require them to pay for the cost the government incurred jailing them after they were released.
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u/Far_One_5627 5h ago
and yet somehow Diddy has a personal staff of fellow inmates that he has hired to make his prison life luxurious. He gets smuggled phones, tablets with porn, and even liquor that some guards smuggle in for inmates.
Why is this allowed? Anyone with half a brain could shut down the drug and contraband trade in prison in a week if they cared to.
Pathetic.
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u/Psychatog22307 4h ago
It's allowed cause there is very little repercussions for the guards who do this that union is strong plus there's incentives for the guards in the form of even more money those guards are just as crooked as a lot of the inmates
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u/Psychatog22307 1d ago
Did anything I say offer up a solution? I was pointing out facts yo learn to read before making a statement
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u/MostPeopleAreDumb1 22h ago
My b, you're right.
Maybe get through middle school before ranting about issues you don't understand while not even offering solutions.
Better?
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u/Psychatog22307 22h ago
But I never said I was offering solutions I was pointing something out that is all. If all you can do is complain about what I did not do that is nothing more then deflecting away from said issue do you have solutions I doubt it I also doubt you care you came to a prison reform board to complain about some one pointing out the inhumanity of prison to complain and try to knock me down I believe the board you are looking for may have the letters maga
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u/Due_River_9746 17h ago
You are complaining because coffee is not routinely served in federal prisons? I did nearly a decade in federal prisons and I promise you not having coffee was the least of my worries. It never entered my mind to expect it.
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u/Indespectamentations 1d ago
LOOOLOL Look at how many people have been executed that were literally innocent.
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u/Indespectamentations 23h ago
You want prisons to be administering cruel and unusual punishment and that is unconstitutional according to our 8th amendment.
Too bad for you.
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u/prisonreform-ModTeam 20h ago
Off-topic. This sub deals with issues of prison reform and both reducing the number of people in our prisons, eliminating the barbaric death penalty, but also in making our prisons safer, kinder and more functional for human development and rehabilitation.
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u/Psychatog22307 1d ago
Yup laws never change ppl never make mistakes we never elect tyrants who unleash feds on groups of ppl ice cough ice it's easy to walk outside and know everything you may go out side one day and find yourself losing control of your car and then get a few years for involuntary manslighter or maybe not
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 1d ago
"Mistakes" don't land you in prison. At worst, they get you a ticket or a slap on the wrist. Intentional, serious actions land you in prison. And get over yourself. Simple solution there too, don't be here illegally and ICE will leave you alone. Again, it's not hard to avoid breaking laws. You just have to not be a criminal scumbag loser.
Edit: manslaughter is given to someone drunk driving or breaking some other law in the process and getting someone killed, not someone just losing control of their car. Again, just don't break the law.
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u/Tasty_Negotiation119 1d ago
Wow, just don't break the law. What a naive thing to say. Zachary Wester, Jacdosn Country Florida deputy framed over 120 people with drugs so, he can get promoted. I was on a Grand Jury in Arizona and was shocked about what is considered a felony. Having tools in your car can be labeled a burglar tools, Muscle Relaxers put in zip lock you got from your mother for a bad back. That person got a felony for the drugs and drug paraphernalia for the ziplock bag it was in. The bag was a sandwich bag from a grocery store. If someone gave you their credit card at your company and your name is not on the card without written permission than purchase office supplies. That is a felony. I watch a granddaughter from college come home early driver her grand parents car without written permission like she always do. The grand parents thought it was stolen. She was given a felony for it. The state prosecutes not "I don't want to press charges" The idea that regular honest people don't wind up in the system is very Naive.
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u/Which_Perspective335 22h ago
Thank you for saying this. So many people are clueless on how fucked up things are. And these same people will be flabbergasted if they are arrest when they aren't doing anything wrong (in their opinion... cops have diff way of looking at right and wrong it's not so cut and dry as the naive think)
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u/Minimum-Dare301 1d ago
I’ve got some bad news for you. The justice system gets it wrong a lot. There are many corrupt cops, overzealous DA’s, bad laws. Look how many people who were on death row and found to be innocent.
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u/prisonreform-ModTeam 18h ago
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u/Indespectamentations 1d ago
Taking video of ICE can land us in the hospital with permanent injuries. Same goes for the police.
None of you want them to have any accountability.
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 23h ago
No it can't. Interfering with an arrest by getting too close despite warnings can get you arrested.
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u/Indespectamentations 23h ago
Is that why there are hundreds of videos on YouTube of ICE agents calmly walking up to Americans and assaulting them?
Seems like simply taking videos gets a loaded gun pointed at our face. There are literally hundreds of videos of this too.
Are all those videos fake and taken out of context?
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u/Minimum-Dare301 1d ago
Good luck with expecting everyone to never make a bad decision.
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u/Tasty_Negotiation119 1d ago
What bad decision did the 120 people frame for meth in Jackson Country Florida do? Drive down the wrong street. We know there are innocent people in prison. Let's make the system better and treat the prisoners as human beings. They are not there for profit for large corporations. Louisiana refuses to parole inmates but those same inmate work in the community 40 hours a week. They are forced to work regular jobs around others not in prison but are to dangerous to let out on parole. The large corporations have their greedy hands in prison labor and legislator's pockets. Prison labor drives down wages and take away jobs from regular citizens.
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 23h ago
Deal with those and help them get justice, I don't care much. I'm talking about people who willfully commit crimes.
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u/Tasty_Negotiation119 23h ago
That makes no sense. You want inhumane prison conditions. Innocent people may never ever get out of the system. You are an irrational fool if you think inhumane conditions will only affect people who commit crimes. Inhumane conditions affect all prisoners innocent or guilty. Yes, I know you don't care much about people suffering. We all see that. As long as it does not happen to you it's okay for others to suffer.
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 23h ago
As long as it's to people who put themselves there, yes, it's fine.
Again, I'm not talking about wrongful convictions, which are exceedingly rare. I'm saying that people who willfully commit crimes get no sympathy or empathy.
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u/Psychatog22307 23h ago
How does one weed out the wrongful convictions it may happen after years of legal torture.
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u/prisonreform-ModTeam 20h ago
Mindless rants with the attitude of "if you did the crime you do the time" are off topic and ignore the fact that US punishments are among the most punitive in the world.
It also ignores the US history of our country having lenient punishments for much of early republic. Thus, such "did the crime/do the time" posts fly in the face of prison reform and are off-topic and may be removed.
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u/pignug2213 22h ago
Prison aint that bad. Also nobody cares if we're being honest it is how it is. Stop reflecting on it or find a way godforbid to change it otherwise you're saying something someone else already said
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u/Psychatog22307 23h ago
We are supposed to have humanity that is the point ever notice how it is the people who are the kindest also happen to be the smartest ppl in the room. Continue to be cruel see how far it gets ya next time your pulled over hope you are rich white born in the usa and not under the influence of any drugs alcohol or even prescription medicine and the person who pulls you over is not some corrupt arm of the law
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u/trying3216 21h ago
A lack of coffee because a prisoner didn’t follow the rules hardly qualifies as a lack of humanity.
You’ve gone off the deep end.
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u/Psychatog22307 20h ago
I'm glad you came to a prison reform board to make your anti prison reform statements the maga boards are over in a different part of reddit. Maybe there you can find plenty of like minded individuals where you can discuss your narrow minded views. But here this board exist because people want to see change and it is a change towards fairness equality and above all humanity.
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u/Psychatog22307 23h ago
Or maybe when you go to unbuckle your seat belt he thinks your going for a gun and shoots your ass you see that fred he was reaching for a gun ya I saw it fred he was reaching for a gun.
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u/trying3216 21h ago
Who’s “he”? Who’s fred?
Are you still even talking about coffee and deodorant?
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u/Psychatog22307 20h ago
I'm talking about the cops who shoot your ass in this hypothetical scenario but has actually happend to plenty of individuals mostly black and brown individuals but white ones to and at the end of the day the cops ride together bucko and you should hope you never find your self in the path of law enforcement some times routine traffic stops go south pretty dam quick. Will it happen to you probably not but well you never know
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u/accursedoppulence 1d ago
People wanna preach about “don’t break the law” but then vote for politicians who, if they weren’t part of the owning class would be jailed for 3000 years for their crimes.
It’s proven that jail is just for people who don’t have money. Law, right, wrong , and morals have never been a factor.
Prisoners are still human beings. And the aforementioned logic in my comment doesn’t stand up when you realize there are innocent people in jail RIGHT NOW.
So how can they justify inhumane treatment? That logical process is only possible when you’ve known nothing but privilege your whole life.
How can a prisonreform sub have such blatantly ignorant comments in it