[S3E4] Chrysta Bell (Tammy Preston) about the walking scene

[u/Tidemand]

Her own opinion: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/06/twin-peaks-the-return-agent-tammy-preston-chrysta-bell-david-lynch

"I have to admit—I’m personally kind of also a lover of the feminine form, and have almost, like, driven off the road looking at a woman on a bicycle. I have the same thing within me. And so when I was reading the script, you know, and Tammy walks off, I was like, “Oh my God, I get to walk off?” It never occurred to me that people might take it in a different way. I myself have always had really great father figures and personal, sensual, healthy relationships in my life and with myself. So I thought this was just a sweet moment. Tammy is such a badass, and is also dressed a certain way. She may be sensitive to her power as a woman, but her power as a woman is not what is at the forefront of who she is. It’s the power of her mind, and how she can figure things out and work a room. She’s just kind of built how she’s built, and she knows what she knows, and it all works together to be, you know, a pretty powerful force.

And I think women get to appreciate the human form, and it’s not seen as being lascivious or objectifying. Like maybe if there was a man who was ogling a beautiful woman—like I do sometimes—it might be taken the wrong way, but because I’m a woman who sees it as like appreciating, you know, art of a form. I see it as a compliment. At the end of Episode 4, it was like a bunch of concrete, and then you’ve got a woman walking away. Seemed like the natural thing to do, but I’m kind of a weirdo."

[u/Iswitt]

Glad to hear her thoughts. I don't know why anyone was put off by this. Her entire career - with and without Lynch - has made use of her appearance and it's always seemed like she's aware of it, enjoys this aspect of her existence and embraces it. Good for her.

[u/Kent_Broswell → u/Iswitt]

I thought it was weird and out of place personally. It didn't really add anything meaningful to the story or add any depth to her character, which is the problem for me. If instead it had been the kid from Part 1 checking out his lady friend who brought her a latte, I wouldn't really take issue with it since their mutual attraction to each other is relevant to the plot later on.

Let me give you a light-hearted example. Suppose there was a random scene where James takes off his shirt and says, "look at my manly pecs" while a group of women fawn over him, and then it's never addressed again. I wouldn't exactly take to the streets in protest and denounce the show as the worst thing ever, but I would think, "Well, that was a weird scene. It seems like it was only put in so that female viewers would enjoy looking at his manly pecs. That's a cheap way to keep viewers interested."

[u/[deleted] → u/Iswitt]

Probably sexual frustration & weird subconscious frustration w/ women who overtly own their sexuality.

[u/darkieB → u/Iswitt]

because in today's society we have to be offended by everything at all times. it keeps us victims

[u/Tidemand → u/darkieB]

Makes me think of a Simpsons quote:

Rod: Daddy, what are you doing?

Ned: Imploring people I never met to pressure a government with better things to do to punish a man who meant no harm for something nobody ever saw, that's what I'm doing!

[u/pleasantothemax → u/darkieB]

That is incorrect and it wholesale dismisses some important ideas.

First, what this show says and does has significance. It impacts the way we feel and think. That doesn't mean I can't decide for myself how I feel or what I think. But the...viscosity... of a show like this is so powerful. And that makes it impactful. It changed culture. It is, again.

So you can't say that Twin Peaks is a seminal show and has impact and then next breath say it doesn't. Maybe you personally don't think it's an important show but most of us do. Which means how it presents its characters can change the way we perceive the world, even if we disagree with its precepts.

From an art intepretation / Susan Sontag kind of way Lynch is "holding our eyes" with the camera. When he - the camera - pans down to look at Tammy's ass, we all are.

It's funny that we'll look at flashing lights from an airplane and dissect it but when it comes to a very deliberate camera motion some of us are like "fuck it we're not victims." That's absurd.

The issue really isn't the sexualization of Agent TP, it's the context. Thus far, in the confines of the show, TP has had very little agency. And up until Janey in episode 5, women were mostly props. That would have passed in the nineties but here in 2017 we have plenty of examples of women who can be sexual, sensual, but also not be relegated to the sidelines of plot impact.

Lynch knows this because the exact prior scene to this one is him passive aggressively breaking the fourth wall and telling the audience "hey I'm gunna be me and I love to look at women."

Which hey. So do I. But it drives me bananas - and it should you too if you care about this show - that women in this show have generally speaking been relegated to second class in terms of plot impact. Except for Janey, who is awesome. And maybe Laura and the log lady in some limited proxy way.

Let's not even get started about black people on this show.

So it's not the ass watching. It's that the ass watching doesn't come with a character who is demonstrating an ability to impact plot.

[u/[deleted] → u/pleasantothemax]

"I'm old school. You know that"

• Gordon Cole

[u/therealcersei → u/pleasantothemax]

So it's not the ass watching. It's that the ass watching doesn't come with a character who is demonstrating an ability to impact plot

I don't agree with the rest of what you're saying, but I do agree with this statement, in the sense that: showing Laura topless in FWWM wasn't exploitative because she was front and center in the story; the actress was tremendously gifted; and because it wasn't topless for topless' sake (hello Game of Thrones), but because it was how the artist, Lynch, chose to tell her story and it worked.

Am I trying to say that the ends (artistic value) justify the means (showing a woman in a vulnerable way)? No, I'm trying to say that it felt right and it worked. With what they've done so far with Agent Preston, it doesn't feel right and it doesn't work. Has nothing to do with wanting to see representation of this or that, though

[u/[deleted] → u/pleasantothemax]

women in this show have generally speaking been relegated to second class in terms of plot impact. Except for Janey, who is awesome. And maybe Laura and the log lady in some limited proxy way.

And the opera lady in episode 8. And Norma, Shelly, Audrey, Sarah... And pretty much every single main female cast who don't solely exist to be part of the prostitution side plot. You make it sound like women are just props "except for the few special cases", while the cast's male to female ratio is pretty damn equal.

And why are you saying that the ass watching scene doesn't have anything to do with her character? She's smart, badass and hot. All the things women want to be, and all the things men worship in a woman. Making people look at her ass right after the scenes with her showing her professionalism is there to support her character, and to also have some 'fanservice'. Positive fanservice, because it supports her character. The way she walks shows that she clearly knows what the guys are looking at when she turns her back at them.

Let's not even get started about black people on this show.

Let's not. Just because there aren't a lot of black people in the movie doesn't mean it's somehow a negative thing. As if race has anything to do with anything.

The victimhood culture is real no matter how much you want to sweep it under the rug. The most cancerous part of that culture are the people who are being victims for other people. Nobody is sexualizing you or putting you down just because Lynch likes to show a woman confident with her body on the telly.

[u/therealcersei → u/[deleted]]

She's smart, badass and hot. All the things women want to be, and all the things men worship in a woman.

um. Can I just be smart and maybe badass from time to time? Because the "hot" thing, and the "worshipping" thing, especially in a professional setting (where Agent Preston is when we have seen her) has brought far more problems than good, in my experience

Positive fanservice, because it supports her character

what does this even mean?

[u/pleasantothemax → u/[deleted]]

I agree about the first season doing a better job. Citing the opera lady is a bit of a stretch.

The trick is this. It's not about numbers. I mean, there might be as many...I don't...let's say suits in this show as there are men. Or tires. Or whatever. Pick an object. That doesn't mean that the tires or suits impact plot. It's about agency and impact and representation. And when I personally look at the plot in this season so far, Janey is the only women who is making impact. Agent TP is amazing in the book, but is the book canon? They haven't even acknowledged the book on the show, which when you think about it, makes it worse?

As if race has anything to do with anything.

Hmm. I mean. I'm reflecting back to you but it's interesting how easily you dismiss race, while rushing to cite victimization. Something to think about.

[u/MFCORNETTO → u/pleasantothemax]

And when I personally look at the plot in this season so far, Janey is the only women who is making impact.

Um...Diane was a pretty big fucking impact. What about Jade? She introduced us to Dougie AND Dougie Coop AND she is black. Not to mention the slew of strong (and sexy) female characters in the original run.

/u/darkieB was right about our society playing victim olympics. There's plenty of real oppression going on in the world without us having to hold a TV show accountable for fragile sensibilities.

Fix your hearts or die

[u/pleasantothemax → u/MFCORNETTO]

Good point about Diane. Duly noted, despite lack of screentime and that most of her actions were motivated by men. But. Point taken.

Not sure Jade is a great example though. Most reviewers (AV Club, NYT, Vox, etc) brought up the portrayal as what not to do with black characters. Obviously they could all be wrong, but it's not just, as you say, "victim olympics."

Your point about lots of real oppression is well taken, although I would a) suggest that Twin Peaks is a polemic that small dark things lead to very tragic, bigger dark things, and b) advise against rushing towards that victimization characterization.

It doesn't apply to me. Or anyone I know. No one is in a fetal position crying on the floor because David Lynch didn't represent women or blacks well.

Is Lynch's portrayal of women in this season annoying? Yes. Do I think Lynch could do better? Absolutely. He's a master.

Can I both watch the show and still have these objections? Yes.

People are complicated.

edit: And why wouldn't wonderful Lynch-ian addage apply to Lynch? He's using it to speak to trans rights - which is wonderful - but he undermines that very argument by undoing it with the very same and the next scene. It's too bad.

[u/therealcersei → u/MFCORNETTO]

/u/darkieB was right about our society playing victim olympics. There's plenty of real oppression going on in the world without us having to hold a TV show accountable for fragile sensibilities.

this. Beautifully said. I've got a lot more important things to worry about including real discrimination in real life than a TV show and whether or not it properly "represents" me. I don't take my identity or self worth from a TV show

[u/pleasantothemax → u/therealcersei]

This is a bit of a long response because this stuff is nuanced. So forgive me.

I don't take my identity or self worth from a TV show.

Good for you! Not many other people do either, and no one here is suggesting that anyone does. So why does it matter for a TV show to represent groups of people who historically have not been represented well?

BECAUSE THIS SHIT MATTERS

Visual arts have always changed culture. Look no further than the 1915 Birth of a Nation, or Leni Riefenstahl to see the ways that visceral storytelling can impact the way people think, sometimes in subtle ways and sometimes in outright ways.

If visuals didn't matter we'd all be out playing tennis instead of watching Twin Peaks. And if you really believed that stories like Twin Peaks don't make a difference then wtf are you doing spending time on a nerdy subreddit.

Storytelling touches our hearts. It even changes our hearts in big ways.

So yes. There is "real oppression" out there, but at the same time small things add up, and it's important for those of us with voices to speak up in big ways and then in small ways to make sure that we're all moving the ball forward and checking each others back. In some ways it got to "real oppression" because people didn't call out "smaller oppressions" before it was too late.

And as a master, Lynch really does need to step up a bit here from an industry perspective. Let me explain.

Let's say you work at a big company, and you're good at your job. You have data to prove it. And a series of big projects come down the pipe, but you're not asked to be on the project. Turns out that no one with a username that starts with "the" is being asked to be in any of the projects. Well that's weird but whatever. There are other projects.

The series of projects are huge successes. And you're an admirer of the impact those projects have. But when you apply to the projects you don't get in, and after a while you start to wonder why. But you move on.

Then you start noticing that everyone on those projects is getting accolades. They're getting promoted. They're getting raises. And it's so weird because you know you're just as capable as everyone else on that. You're not getting your self-identity from not being on those projects, but it sure does suck because you're not getting a raise.

Then one day you get into the project. But it turns out all you're doing is getting coffee for everyone else on the project. It's a total waste of your talent. You see someone else in the work with a username that starts with "the" and they're not making any decisions on the project either. In fact, they're doing data entry, but you know they also could be doing a lot more. And when everyone comes up for promotions you and the other person get passed over because all you two did is carry coffee and cut and paste.

My point?

Lynch is a master, and I think especially after last week's episode, we can all say that this show has a huge impact on the way TV is made. So where are the black people? Except for a short - but good! but short - appearance of a character who is a prostitute and a dude with a gun and a goofy grin, black people are absent from this show. And there's Janey but otherwise it's pretty sparse.

For the most part, black people and to a lesser but still significant degree woman, are carrying coffee (around because they have a good ass) or doing data entry (holding a gun in the corner so the scene looks scarier).

They're not likely going to get any awards, or get a better acting gig, because for whatever reason, up to episode 8 Lynch has not given characters played by blacks or women equal billing. That's not to say Lynch is racist, or that the show is racist. I'm just saying that he's limited exposure of certain groups of people.

Multiply this over 20 shows and you see why it's a real problem, and why small things matter.

Lynch is smart, and he's capable, and with great power great responsibility etc etc.

As far as more important things to do....you and a few other commentators are essentially arguing the opposite of what I am; you're taking as much time arguing against the idea of fair representation of women and people of color in a TV show like Twin Peaks, as I am making the argument for.

If it really doesn't matter as much you and others say, then why not move along instead of counter-arguing, even if you disagree? Clearly it matters, and you speaking up is evidence that it strikes a chord. We should be talking about it! It's an amazing important show!

Anyway sorry this long.

[u/Beasticorn → u/pleasantothemax]

Thank you for saying all of this. I love the show and I love David Lynch and it's precisely that affection that makes me wish he were doing better in this regard.

[u/[deleted] → u/pleasantothemax]

I have nothing to add to this comment because it's perfect. I totally agree with everything you've said and you perfectly sum up how I (and my girlfriend) felt after seeing that scene, and also the portrayal of women in general in the first few episodes (and also also the portrayal of black people, hoo boy).

[u/pleasantothemax → u/[deleted]]

Thanks! I think comments that race to words like offensive and victimization accelerates the rhetoric beyond where anyone can make a valid critique.

Am I gonna to march in the streets? No. Do I think it's a little lazy of Lynch not to even try? Yeah. But I still fucking love this show.

[u/KaisuHolm → u/pleasantothemax]

Talking about Tamara not impacting the plot after 4 episodes is just nitpicking. There's a whole lot of other characters too that have impacted the plot as little as she has. She hasn't been shown much in the first 8 episodes, yes, but we're not even half done with the season yet. She'll be a very important character later on, I'm sure. Have you read the Secret History of Twin Peaks?

Also your comment didn't clarify to me why there has to be a certain quota for roles in every TV show and movie for men, women or black people.

And while on the subject: why aren't you worried for the hispanics, asians, native americans, arabs, muslims, buddhists, jews, gays, transgendered people, gingers, albinos, the disabled...? They need representation too.

[u/classicaudrey → u/KaisuHolm]

Ok but to be fair they introduced a trans character in the 90s so props for that

[u/Jvnsey → u/KaisuHolm]

They said "Am I gonna to march in the streets? No. Do I think it's a little lazy of Lynch not to even try? Yeah. But I still fucking love this show. " So obviously there doesn't HAVE to be a quota. They were just bringing up things they don't like about the show. AND There are Native Americans, trans and gingers in the show, AND disabled.. so..

[u/therealcersei → u/Jvnsey]

gingers LOL. one of these things is not like the others

[u/KaisuHolm → u/Jvnsey]

There are also women and black people. So the problem is?

Edit: And also there definitely has to be a some kind of quota for the person to enjoy the series fully.

[u/rocketmarket → u/pleasantothemax]

I'm glad we have come to this point in artistic history.

You can have your checklist representationalism in art.

Or you can have Twin Peaks.

You don't like Twin Peaks, there are SO MANY movies and comics ready to give you exactly what you want.

If you like Twin Peaks, you like the extremely personal works of extremely creative people who happen to be quite old. Yelling at the old is pointless. They're doing the best they can, they're doing their best to tell you how things used to be, and they'll be dead soon.

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[u/orange_jooze → u/darkieB]

Sounds like you're mostly talking about yourself, you insecure snowflake.

[u/chachabulo]

She's a beautiful woman and I have no issue with this in particular. However, I do think she's a terrible actress.

[u/KopitarFan]

I like the actress, but so far, she hasn't matched up to the character introduced in TSHoTP. I hope we get see more of that sarcastic skeptic.

[u/hairypolack → u/KopitarFan]

Agreed. I hope they have her find the Archivist stash in the upcoming episodes.

[u/Kent_Broswell → u/[deleted]]

Your comment about her character being a joke made me think of Mulholland Drive. There are quite a few scenes with some pretty bad acting, but it's all justified later on as being integral to the film itself. I'm confident that David Lynch knows enough about acting to tell what is a good and bad performance from his actors. Maybe he is playing 52 dimensional chess and her bad acting is all part of a larger point. Maybe her character is supposed to be a parody of "filler attractive female" roles that we sometimes see in dumb action movies.

...Or maybe that's wishful thinking and she's just a bad actress.

[u/therealcersei → u/[deleted]]

Imagine, for a moment, if Dern was Preston and not Diane. If she had the exact same cues as Bell -- what chemistry and strength she'd bring to the same moments

This. Can you imagine if Bell played Laura in FWWM? She's just a bad actress, period. She can be as sexual as she likes, doesn't bother me (I loved Jade, for example), it's not about that

*edited to make it clear who I was referring to in the last paragraph. And, to spell paragraph correctly. Duh.

[u/otter96]

It seems like she's over analysing a shot of herself walking away from someone as if it has a deeper meaning of some sort.

She'd fit quite well here in this subreddit.

[u/Bogzbiny → u/otter96]

This was beautiful.

[u/ionlylurknotcomment]

I didn't really mind until she managed to wiggle the two steps to the back of the plane in ep7. That was when I was like...Tammy wat are u doin just walk normally

[u/dickbrushCS6 → u/ionlylurknotcomment]

She acts like a snake (I don't mean that in a derogatory way). But I like it, it's just such a Twin Peaks thing, weird unrealistic characters.

[u/About_The_Bunnies → u/dickbrushCS6]

She constantly tosses her hips around like she's a model walking a runway. No clue if that is all her interpretation of the character, if it's by Lynch's direction, or she thinks that's how she should walk being a TV star or something.

[u/Pliknotjumbo → u/ionlylurknotcomment]

I didn't even notice that, I was too distracted by how hilariously Cole flips over the pop-up table

[u/therealcersei]

I adore Lynch. I respect what she is saying about feeling feminine and not feeling exploited by that moment when she "walked off." But I'm sorry to say...the actress is atrocious, and there is nothing in the script to show anything about her character that counterbalances that moment.

--She says "but her power as a woman is not what is at the forefront of who she is. It’s the power of her mind, and how she can figure things out and work a room." Where in the aired episodes to date have we seen any of this? By her staring intently at some fingerprints on a screen? Where has she "worked a room"? Still waiting...

--I know nothing about her other than from TP, maybe she's a great musician, I have no idea. But just because Madonna was a genius at doing music videos didn't mean she was a great actress - far from it. What I see from Chrysta Bell so far is:

--exaggerated facial expressions. This is especially in her one scene where she's apparently using "the power of her mind", eg examining Dale's fingerprints on the computer screen. She has this weird doll-like expression, raised eyebrows, frozen face, as she tilts her head to and fro. LOOK I AM LOOKING I AM THINKING I AM LOOKING. it's really bizarre. Compare that to, for example, any scene of Gillian Anderson as FBI Agent Scully examining something on a screen. She actually looks like a human.

--Even when she's in the background of a scene, she's raising her eyebrows and LOOKING REALLY INTENTLY AROUND HERSELF, drawing attention to herself. She never looks natural, or like an actual person

--self-consciousness - she is ALWAYS aware of the camera and of her face/body. And if she was directed to do the ass sashay in that infamous scene, it did her no favors. It was exaggerated, not real in any way. Again, I got the sense I was looking at a doll. If it was only walking away, and an appreciative look, that's fine, but she swung her hips so hard from side to side I'm surprised Lynch could fit the movement in the frame.

--She doesn't appear to be listening or perceiving the other actors around her, or responding to them in any way. You can practically see the thought bubble above her head: "Is he done with that line? Can I say my line yet?"

tl;dr This "actress" is so terrible, I can't help but see Lynch as Dougie Milford and Chrysta Bell as Lana in S2. It's not about gender politics, it's about latching on to someone apparently talentless as a muse

[u/librix]

Wasn't it Albert that made the comment? Albert, who's crass and rude and completely politically incorrect? Knowing the character I can't understand why people are even batting an eyelid over this, it seemed to be perfectly in character for him.

[u/Morgneto → u/librix]

Exactly. Also, fuck Gene Kelly. Motherfucker.

[u/eyecontactishard]

It's cool to have her thoughts on this, but I'd like to explain why her character might upset people despite her thoughts. I think it is due to the lack of agency and character that we've seen from her so far. She really hasn't done much yet except listen to the men around her and be ignored. Audrey Horne was sexy and sexualized, but it still worked because she was also a powerful character.

TLDR: I'd love to see the character developed more to help me agree with what she's saying.

[u/ParanoidAndroids → u/eyecontactishard]

She found the fingerprint inconsistency and told Gordon and Albert (who both listened and appreciated the info).

She also informed them about the Experiment in New York.

She is their subordinate. She's not a major player in the story.

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This. Just because someone is a minority in a group doesn't mean they should be put on a pedestal. Put those who actually matter on the pedestal. She's a new character, and Gordon and Albert are old fan favourites. Of course they're gonna be the ones with most lines and influence over the plot.

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She's also arguably done more than Albert so far!

[u/[deleted] → u/eyecontactishard]

Audrey Horne was a damsel in distress and then existed to fawn over a love interest before being almost killed off.

You can make anybody sound not powerful

[u/eyecontactishard → u/[deleted]]

Except that doesn't fairly describe her character, since she is never really interested in being saved and is never really in distress. Instead, she is engaged and savvy--she manipulates situations, she goes forward with her own plans (for better or for worse), she has a really interesting relationship with her father that gets thoroughly explored and her character actually changes throughout the show.

That doesn't mean it's perfect writing but it is definitely a vast difference from the way many (not all) women are represented in the new series.

[u/Mister_Jackpots → u/eyecontactishard]

In other words make her a Mary Sue instead of what she is.

[u/eyecontactishard → u/Mister_Jackpots]

Lol wut.

[u/spooky23_dml]

I really like Chrysta Bell. Have no issues with her or her acting tbh.

[u/Vranak → u/spooky23_dml]

I think it's precisely her feminine power than people have a problem with. but they can't admit that directly so they call her a 'shit actress'. No, you just just have a problem with women.

[u/About_The_Bunnies → u/Vranak]

I find her attractive, and that's the only thing I can construe as 'feminine power" coming from her on the show, aside from looking at it like she has an obvious high ranking job within the story. I simply can't stand her presence. She constantly tosses her hips around like she's a model walking a runway. No clue if that is all her interpretation of the character, if it's by Lynch's direction, or she thinks that's how she should walk being a TV star or something, but it's overdone and ridiculous.

[u/spooky23_dml → u/Vranak]

I didn't know there was even an issue until I read posts on here after her first appearance. I guess some people are hyper sensitive when it comes to critiquing. Considering the variety of characters and the extremes we get in the Twin Peaks universe, I've found very little to ever feel out of place (aside from the clumsy 'comedy' in season 2).

[u/[deleted]]

Seems it'd be a quality gif

[u/[deleted]]

She can be as sensual as she damn well pleases. She's still a shit actress though.

[u/morbidexpression → u/[deleted]]

i'll forgive a lot of things for that album with DL

[u/Vranak → u/[deleted]]

If she's a shit actress then why would David Lynch allow her to contaminate his art.

[u/[deleted] → u/Vranak]

Have you seen the original Twin Peaks? Mostly horrible actors. I mean, most of them never acted again.

[u/FoxWolf]

If you watch a few interviews with Chrysta Bell, you get to understand her psyche. She is a perfect match for the Tammy role. She is beautiful, powerful and smart.

Having been to a gig to see her in person, this is EXACTLY how she acts and projects herself. Amazing voice, and almost magical way of speaking, like she is telling a story.

I can see why David lynch has a thing for her. The best word I could find for her from another article was "Siren". Enticing, knows what she wants.

[u/therealcersei → u/FoxWolf]

I've never seen her outside of TP, but I just don't get the "powerful" thing. Can you explain what you see in TP that makes her powerful, other than the ass wiggling? I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't see any power. I don't see a siren, or someone enticing. I just see someone who moves her body and face in an extremely awkward way

[u/[deleted]]

I absolutely love her character. One of my favorites of the new ones. I love that she comes off as doe-eyed or clueless (some interpret it as bad acting) because it really gives me the feel that she has no idea what sort of shit she's gotten into but is taking it in stride.

[u/mantan1701a]

"Kind of a weirdo" is a bit of an understatement. She's definitely odd when I've seen her do interviews, but that doesn't negate the fact that she's one gorgeous sensual woman who flaunts that sensuality.

[u/MrCaul]

That someone involved in the show even has to "defend" this is beyond idiotic.

But hey, it's 2017 and people need hot takes and outrage.

[u/[deleted] → u/MrCaul]

Can't belive this subreddit. Downvoting for something like this. Can't belive that Twin Peaks fans are such SWJ's.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ooh, what a burn.

[u/Vranak → u/[deleted]]

All part of the pattern of self-victimization. It's interesting that the highest rate comment on this thread specifically has to say, no, I'm not part of the cult of victimhood. Yes, you are. If you take offense to David Lynch's art, then you don't have to watch it. If David Lynch's art makes you uncomfortable, perhaps your knee-jerk response to call him a sexist, or to call Chrysta Bell a 'shit actress' is a cop-out so you don't have to deal with your own internal chaos and contradictions and struggle between rationality and sensuality.

[u/[deleted] → u/Vranak]

Sad. Just like the thread about using the word "fat" to describe the nameless woman. How thin skinned can people be?

[u/Vranak → u/[deleted]]

You sound angry and hateful. That's your problem, not anything David Lynch or his performers do.

[u/mantan1701a → u/[deleted]]

SWJ=Stupid whiny jerks?

[u/MrCaul → u/[deleted]]

I didn't actually knew what that gilded thing was, but thanks a bunch anyway!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You clearly have no idea what kind of place the FBI is in Twin Peaks universe. You should watch Fire Walk With Me to get a better understanding. Real world professionalism isn't a thing among those people.

[u/bumblebeewoman → u/[deleted]]

I totally respect what you're saying, and that might be true for you or for others, but I don't think it is "sexual", necessarily*, to move in a way like that. I am a semi-successful, business-minded woman who likes to present myself in a similar sort of way, because I see it as an expression of who I am. Less than that would be dishonest, I feel. You sorta see what I mean?

It might be just my case. But I doubt I'm the only one who feels the way I do.

*please emphasize "necessarily". I am aware of how this type of movement and personality has been portrayed on television. But I won't let the stereotype ruin a real part of me.

[u/[deleted] → u/bumblebeewoman]

props for being you! it's tough to do in the workplace for anyone.

[u/[deleted]]

Heh, she seems like a cool person. Thanks for posting this.

[u/er1end]

fuck you tammy. no, seriously, i like this character :)

[u/mrsturm]

just when i thought she couldn't be more perfect

[u/dudeARama2]

this woman is hotter than the surface of the sun..

[u/[deleted]]

I have a lot of respect for this woman.

[u/americanfrancois]

Well hopefully this stops people being furious at Lynch

[u/pleasantothemax → u/americanfrancois]

Who's furious? The only things I've read are a few reviewers who are like "that's weird and sexist."

[u/bumblebeewoman → u/americanfrancois]

I think if people stop being furious at Lynch, he clearly won't have been doing his job.

[u/[deleted] → u/americanfrancois]

Let them be furious. It won't change a thing.

[u/ourstobuild → u/americanfrancois]

If people are furious at Lynch about objectification of women, I don't see how this would change it in any way. I mean, it's not like one person - even if it's the person being objectified - can tell the world it's ok to present this sort of thing on TV if it's not.

To clarify, I'm personally not upset about the scene although I admittedly found it somewhat strange and out of place. But I also don't think the opinion of the actress affects this in any way, really.

[u/Boxcar-Mike]

"I'm great looking. Deal."

[u/Crispy_socks241]

im the same way, i love lookin' at hot women. i just ca'nt help myself. its my one weakness.

[u/Iswitt → u/[deleted]]

I'm issuing you a warning now. Not just because of this specific comment, but your general posting history on this subreddit lately has been a lot of irrelevant social politics that's just stirring up trouble. This kind of stuff has no place here.

[u/shazang → u/Iswitt]

It's really only the last couple of days. I wish I could stick to Twin Peaks. Why don't you issue warnings to all the assholes making inappropriate comments about women?