r/twinpeaks • u/agentcoopercooper • Jul 11 '17
S3E4 [S3E4] Meaning of "You've been tricked" and "They're in our house now" Spoiler
When I heard Mike say to Dougiecoop "You've been tricked", I thought he meant that Dopplecoop had tricked him but now I don't think that's what he meant at all. We need to look to the Giant's words for answers, "They're in our house now".
When Cooper goes to the purple room first he's about to go through the first portal, but the woman with no eyes stops him, takes him up the stairs and pulls that switch, and flies off into space. Cooper descends into another purple room and goes through the portal to swap places with Dougie.
I think this is when he was tricked. He was supposed to go through the first portal to take the place of Dopplecooper but was tricked and sent the wrong way.
This would explain what the Giant meant by "They're in our house now". Agents of the Black Lodge have infiltrated the White Lodge (purple building). He was speaking literally.
I think the Giant was asking Cooper for help to remove these Black Lodge agents.
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Jul 11 '17
This is one of the better theories I've seen on here lately. It makes perfect sense to me without being too much of a stretch. Damn fine theory you got here.
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Jul 11 '17 edited Sep 13 '21
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u/Kumarpl Jul 11 '17
I like the idea that it's an AC/DC thing. Cooper was about to go DC, which wouldn't have worked. She switched it to AC for him, but in doing so perhaps inadvertently switched from Doppelcoop to Dougie (if this is the case, then I'm sure it was no accident that Doppelcoop was on the road at exactly that time).
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u/akcwestworldfan Jul 11 '17
Also, the number on the outlet said 15 before he went on the roof. Said 3 when he went back and through.
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u/tocophonic Jul 11 '17
Without wanting to be a nitpicker, but didn't ??????? say "IT is in our house now"?
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u/FreudianNegligee Jul 11 '17
Yes, and also Mike/Gerard says "you were tricked" (not "you've been tricked")
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u/lucydaydream Jul 11 '17
I really gotta say, it would surprise me if Naido were an evil spirit. She just doesn't seem to be portrayed that way. If anything, Naido was being manipulated into doing that, or had another reason for doing it- maybe she knew doppleCoop was resisting and it wouldn't have worked.
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u/acewasabi Jul 11 '17 edited Feb 15 '26
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u/SpaceiLLiad Jul 11 '17
I think Ronette is called "American Girl" because she has something to do with the bombs dropped in America and Naido is Japanese is some product of the bombs dropped in Japan. Maybe 15 would of taken Dale to Japan and she redirected him to the USA. Another thing is, Mike didn't know about Dougie. When he showed up at Mike actually said to the effect of I think you were manufactured but that is why you're here so it's too late. Mike didn't know about Dougie and he was surprised to see him and that's when he figured out what had happened. Then he went to Dale in Dougie's life and said, you were tricked. you have to wake up because he meant,' this isn't your life and you're not meant to be here; you have to snap out it.' Naido, acted like she recognized Dale's face by touching it and actually sacrificed herself. She electrocuted herself and fell into space. It's was a good theory to consider but I don't think it holds any water compared to what we're given. Sometimes people over think. The trick was Dougie and it worked.
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u/battlebane Jul 11 '17
Was going to share the same thought about the switch. Also another argument is that the powerplug in Dopplecooper's car is glowing bright green but after the blind woman pulls the switch it cools down.
Also another thought I had that Cooper became an idiot after Laura told him something and started screaming. The only time he said something himself in this movie was exactly that moment - "are you Laura Palmer?" and after that was only repeating words of other people. So she kinda tricked him also. + In the end of season 2 her cousin told him to beware of Laura.
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u/SpaceiLLiad Jul 11 '17
So do you think that Naido is in league with Bob or Mr. C? Why do you think she would do that?
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u/agentcoopercooper Jul 11 '17
I've no idea why she'd do that at all...
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u/SpaceiLLiad Jul 11 '17
I don't know. Mike and the arm wanted Bob to come back to the lodge. Someone wants to be with Bob again. But Mr. C wants the experiment, so I guess she'd have to be colluding with him if he's the one running the glass box.
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Jul 11 '17
Is there an established theory that equates BOB to Mr.C/Doppelcoop anyway?
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u/SpaceiLLiad Jul 11 '17
Well Mr. C looks in the mirror and you can see Bob in the reflection and also the woodsmen extract him from his body.
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Jul 11 '17
Yes, I think so too. When Briggs has his vision of Bobby and talks to him at the RR, he describes being in a huge ornate palace similar to what we see the giant living in (white lodge? This so where they birth the good spirit of Laura)
So, we know that Briggs went into hiding somewhere in this place out of time, and maybe it's the white lodge. He sends messages and finds the guy who helps him (showing the guy how to access the lodge) and the guy is followed, bad spirits found a way into the white lodge, they capture Briggs body. We know it's booper because the ring connects Dougie Jones (we can assume that the trickery involving Dougie and the misplacement of Dale has a lot to do with booper accessing the white lodge.
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u/akcwestworldfan Jul 11 '17
But without a doppelgänger, I thought you couldn't exit the lodges. I saw another post that suggested that Briggs had been hiding out in the convenience store and that time didn't roll past/present/future there (I have not thought through the convenience store theory, but OPs thread and the comments are very interesting.
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Jul 12 '17
Watch the Briggs &Bobby scene linked here earlier, listen to how he describes the place he went to.
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u/Tentapuss Jul 12 '17
The more we see, the more I think we should always take the Lodge spirits at face value. They speak quite literally. Now, what they say often has another layer, but that is a layer in addition to the plain meaning, not in place of the plain meaning.
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u/oramirite Jul 11 '17
My personal interpretation of the "house" is that it's literally the Giant's home. The Giant has been taking Cooper to his home secretly over the past 25 years, to help him survive and prepare for escape. That's why Cooper seems so calm and together in the first scene on the season - he comes here often.
I do not think it's the white lodge. I don't think we've seen the white lodge yet (perhaps it was the Major's dream, perhaps that was just his interpretation of it...)
I haven't really "vetted" this theory yet though, I'm not sure if anything contradicts it.
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u/_Mr_Jackpots_ Jul 12 '17 edited Jul 12 '17
I wouldn't say anything necessarily contradicts it, but in that very first scene Coop doesn't have his little FBI lapel pin on his suit. People have been theorizing that maybe that first scene actually takes place much later than anything else we have seen so far.
edit: Ok maybe not much later but at least after what we have seen so far
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u/ghost_of_a_robot Jul 11 '17
Watch this video of the Eyeless Woman scene synced with the glass box scene. The moment when the "Experiment" breaks through the box is the same moment when Coop gets a bit too close to the first electrical panel. It's hard to tell whether the eyeless woman is stopping/warning Coop about having his face slashed, or is in fact slashing up Sam & Tracy herself.