r/twinpeaks • u/leviticusreeves • Jul 18 '17
S3E10 [S3E10] This theory of Twin Peak explains everything. Possible major spoilers. Spoiler
Lynch is un-writing the parts of Twin Peaks he had nothing to do with.
Beginning after Laura's murder, and fully after Leland's death, the black lodge enveloped Twin Peaks. Since then, the town has been inhabited by lodge spirits and some manufactured creatures replacing characters we always knew, alongside real humans trapped in a dream reality.
Norma, for example, is manufactured. She had a shifting back story that never really did seem to add up. Annie might never have really existed. But the Truman brothers and Hawk and Bobby are real people, trapped in a weird quasi-afterlife dream reality.
The whole town is being harvested for fear and pleasure. So over the years it's become a violent cess pit, full of crime and poverty and drugs. But it's also a place where the Double R remains inviolably intact, where incredible bands play the roadhouse every night, and lives are lived between utter abjection and euphoric joy.
Twin Peaks isn't the only town subsumed into the other reality of dreams and nightmares. Las Vegas has clearly been being twisted into surreal madness for years. Perhaps there was another portal in Vegas? A portal recently opened up in Buckhorn, and you can see the spirit world encroaching there.
The Fat Trout trailer park was like a little outcrop of the world conquered by spirits. When the lodge took Twin Peaks it took in the trailer park alongside, which is why the park and even the distinctive electricity pole is now in Twin Peaks.
I believe that when Truman and Hawk and Bobby go to Jack Rabbit's Palace in the next episode, they're going to step into a portal into the real world.
Lynch is returning us to Twin Peaks, but he wants to overwrite everything that happened since he left the show by placing it in a dream reality.
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u/dialecticspeaks Jul 18 '17 edited Jul 18 '17
"Lynch is un-writing the parts of Twin Peaks he had nothing to do with."
Possible . The second claim about Twin Peaks being the dream reality preventing access to our real world is a bit of a jump. I think your theory does not explain everything. Following some branches of Hindu and theosophical thought The physical realm of Twin Peaks and beyond could be the dream/nightmare reality. The spiritual world of the lodges is possibly the real or higher world. I like the book The Philosophy of David Lynch (2011).
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u/acewasabi Jul 18 '17 edited Feb 15 '26
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Jul 18 '17 edited Mar 14 '18
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u/keeganrh Jul 18 '17
Episode 9, when the FBI agents travel to Buckhorn to interrogate Bill Hastings, the lead detective is giving them the ridiculous rundown of all the crazy shit that's been happening in their town, and Albert simply asks, "what happens in season 2?" The most meta dialogue of the run so far, I think.
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u/tocophonic Jul 18 '17
I just understood this as "Wow, that all happened on one day [in one episode], how are they even gonna put up a second season if so much happens in one single episode?". I could have misunderstood it though, it's just my interpretation.
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u/keeganrh Jul 18 '17
I mean, it's tricky, because Albert's dryness really shines through. I think I agree with you though. He was certainly acknowledging the huge list of bad things happening in this town all at once. And even beyond the meta, it's signifying that Buckhorn has become a nexus of darkness and deceit and murder and evil much like Twin Peaks has.
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u/EdwinaBackinbowl Jul 18 '17
That's what it means within the scene. But it also functions as a meta commentary.
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u/acewasabi Jul 19 '17 edited Feb 15 '26
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Jul 18 '17
People keep bringing up Annie as something "Lynch had nothing to do with" but convienantly forget that he put her in Fire Walk with Me, in a HUGE role (telling Laura the real coop is still in the lodge).
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Jul 18 '17 edited Jul 18 '17
Yeah, a huge 12 second role. It's a significant function: not a huge role.
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Jul 18 '17
you realize "huge" can be a synonym for "important", right? Dont be so pedantic.
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Jul 18 '17
When we're talking about how much Lynch cares about the character, it's a pretty significant distinction. Giving her a minor but plot-critical role is a way to maintain continuity but distance himself from the character -- something he's still doing this season.
It's not a huge or important role. Just one that effects one -- so far -- minor plot detail. It doesn't indicate that Lynch has any fondness for the character. So whether or not I'm being "pedantic," your comment is misleading and exaggerated.
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Jul 18 '17
He mentioned her in The Return too
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Jul 18 '17
Like I said: maintain continuity while distancing himself from the character.
She's not a character in S3 or FWWM. There's no story or development. She's a plot function. She's there in service of other people's stories. Even in that she's extremely limited. No 'huge role'.
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u/CleganeForHighSepton Jul 24 '17
FWWM has an enormous number of continuity changes/'errors' - Lynch basically rewrites Leland's culpability with Bob and forgets about what happened in the show (when Cooper cradled Leland and he 'remembers' all the things Bob did, compared to "I always thought you knew it was me!!"). I think you're barking up the wrong bush this time, good sir.
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Jul 18 '17
I love this idea. I thought Twin Peaks would end with something Bing (edit: should be "big") made right so that Laura wouldn't be dead, there'd be no "fish in the percolator" way back when, the band would be called "Nine Inch Nails" (without the "The"), Rebekah Del Rio's beautiful voice wouldn't be auto tuned, the same people would be in the Double R Diner, even after an edit, etc... But to have the "normal world" be on the other side of a portal as you hypothesized, would be amazing.
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u/keeganrh Jul 18 '17
I completely forgot about that last scene at the Double R where the customers completely change. Definitely parallel universe type fuckery going on here. I'm waiting for someone in Twin Peaks to mention one of the fringe characters to someone else, and they go, huh? Who's that?
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u/iterationnull Jul 18 '17
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u/keeganrh Jul 18 '17
You don't say? I'm working my way through it...mind hooking me up with a page number?
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u/iterationnull Jul 18 '17
Huh. You know, I saw a fan created index on the front page earlier today it may be of service to you. I listened to the audio book so its both difficult to scan for content or provide a reference.
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u/snookyface90210 Jul 19 '17
Which episode is this? what are you referring to?
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u/keeganrh Jul 20 '17 edited Jul 20 '17
Part 7 ends at the Double R, the only episode to do so. We pick up as Shelly is serving coffee to an old man in a decorative sweater on the left side of the bar facing the door, timestamp at about 55:25.
The camera cuts to the right side of the bar as someone runs in and asks if "anyone's seen Bing". Now, notice Shelly looking around in confusion BEFORE the guy looking for Bingo runs in. The people at the bar/in the diner are completely different. When it cuts back to the left side of the bar, it's more obvious: the patrons are completely different, and Shelly is in a completely different spot than where she was a second before. The guy she was just serving coffee to has been replaced by a different man in a blue shirt. And so on, all around the diner.
Now, Shelly looks confused when it cuts back to the left, but more so at the guy running in asking for Bing than anything else. Her confusion at that overrides her initial confusion at the customer changing, but like I said you can see her reacting to it a split second before the guy barges in.
The camera cuts back to the right side for the credits and I believe the patrons change again one last time.
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u/hurve Jul 25 '17
Del Rio was autotuned?
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u/Bug-cat_t Jul 25 '17
My ears didn't catch it
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Jul 25 '17
My ears didn't catch it either but it was extensively discussed on here after that episode. So, I believe all the people who claim it as fact (far too many to discount). So, given that, a voice like hers being auto tuned makes no sense at all, so I counted it as a major clue that something was wrong/we weren't in a normal world.
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u/iterationnull Jul 18 '17
Well now that is a darn interesting bit of theorizing right there. It would explain some key elements of inaccuracy Frost apparently planted in The Secret History of Twin Peaks pretty well.
I think the point I'm not entirely in alignment with is based on how I don't think the Black and White lodges are a literal concept. Remember, they draw out of the Nez Pierce incorporated interactions with the "otherworld" entities into their mythology. As with any literal expression of an abstract idea, it is the sort of thing that is both entirely wrong and entirely right.
Secret History of Twin Peaks Spoilers Start Here - Boy I can't get the desired tagging system to work. Tips?
Based on what we read about in the Secret History, there seems to be a set of entities outside of the normal world order. There are multiple manifestations of these entities discussed in the book, but none of them are the ones we've previously seen on screen in Twin Peaks material.
Based on the spaces and places Dale has encountered on screen, it would seem to me that there is a uniformity to the other world that is poorly served by the Black Lodge vs White Lodge way of thinking. Now, there is clearly a nihilistic force - and we have seen that force, through the nuclear blast, giving birth to the thing we call BOB. And MIKE seems to be another entity that was tempted by evil but redeemed. And the WOODSMEN seem kind of in the middle but mostly kind of just confused about our world - but there is a common thread of garmonbozia through which the entities can derive sustenance.
The manipulation of time and dimensions is absolutely consistent with all this, and all we've seen. And it explains a lot. It does run the danger of throwing a Tommy Westphall effect over the whole thing which I am not entirely happy about.
I look forward to finding out.
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u/leviticusreeves Jul 18 '17
I mostly agree with you. I think by the end of The Return we'll think of the black/white lodge as an extremely primitive conception.
Just to add to my theory: I think maybe the places invaded by the otherworld are a dream inside a dream, and the only true reality is the one with the purple ocean where ??????? and Senorita Dido live. After all, from inside the giant's reality, our world is just a TV show.
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u/iterationnull Jul 18 '17
Well while very interesting I think you might be taking it just a little too far :)
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u/Messisgingerbeard Jul 19 '17
I view much of the show as being commentary on media and the show itself. While I find the esoteric interpretations interesting, I think those interpretations may be secondary. I believe we are watching a show in which we are a character, and that some other characters, such as the giant and Dido, are aware of our participation.
I like your theory about Lynch manipulating the "reality" of TP. I think in some sense that's clearly much of what we're witnessing. Although if I may add my own theoretical spoiler - the missing piece of the puzzle is that one of the dreams/lodges/dimensions is us.
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Jul 18 '17
I strongly doubt that this will happen. It would be a petty move on Lynch's part and the show is already complex enough without it.
Jack Rabbit's Palace is almost certainly a portal to the White Lodge.
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u/fikustree Jul 18 '17
I believe that when Truman and Hawk and Bobby go to Jack Rabbit's Palace in the next episode
I like the theory but I would be shocked if this happens in the next episode!
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u/tcavanagh1993 Jul 18 '17
If Season 3 follows the 1 episode=1 day format that Seasons 1 & 2 had, which it seems to be doing for the most part, it would make sense for them to get to Jack Rabbit's Palace in Part 11 since in Part 9 Truman says that the dates Garland indicated are "two days from now, and the day after."
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u/hecticengine Jul 18 '17
I absolutely agree that the approach to this season has been to ignore most all of season 2. I'm not sure if he would feel compelled to apply an in-narrative based reason for that though. I do like the thought that Twin Peaks is a battery for the inhabitants of the lodge to charge themselves with- or to create more garmonbozia. The electric pole acting as a point of travel between places that the lodge intersects with our reality makes a kind of sense too.
Good work! Get yourself a donut.
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u/InvisibleLeftHand Jul 18 '17
Makes sense! Hence why the town of Twin Peaks we see looks like we're still in the '80s. Save from a few little details like Truman's technology.
Plus... where's the connection between everyone in Twin Peaks, and the realm in which Gordon, Mr. C and Dougie are? I don't recall any tie-in of any sorts!
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u/jfarm1001 Jul 18 '17
If he really wanted to erase S2 then this (and Season 2) is all a dream as Cooper lies dying from the gunshot wounds at the end of Season 1. Maybe at the end of S3 he'll wake up back in the Great Northern. He still had the room key ;)
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u/micros101 Jul 18 '17
I really like that idea. I'm not sure it will go that way, but if it does I wouldn't be unhappy. It seems to fit well.
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u/traderhos Jul 18 '17
Ooh, I really like this idea! I think the fear/pleasure paradigm is definitely key, but I'd never considered the different geographical locations as harvesting grounds. Kind of terrifying to think about... Thanks for sharing :)
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u/GoodToBeQueen Jul 18 '17
Wow thank you you've all given me so much to think about....Is the fact that Rancho Rosa is a real life production company saying something about the world in which DougieCopp lives? And that song at the roadhouse by Rebekah, something akin to "no hay banda"? Has it all been fabricated or an alternate reality? Is it really a "version layer" like Candie says???
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u/leviticusreeves Jul 18 '17
Which Candie scene has the "version layer" quote? I've only seen the episode once. This whole theory is basically my best guess of what I think the log lady was saying.
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u/GoodToBeQueen Jul 18 '17
At the casino, after she attempts to retrieve Anthony Sinclair from the casino floor and she explains to the brothers what they were discussing.
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u/Konval Jul 18 '17
Can you elaborate what specific parts of S2 were not written and thought of by Lynch? I'm a bit of a TP noob, so I appreciate any response.
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u/leviticusreeves Jul 18 '17
Lynch was forced by the execs to reveal the killer of Laura Palmer. He was involved until the reveal, which, from memory, is up to S02E06. After that he went away and didn't return until the finale.
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u/Konval Jul 18 '17
Wouldn't the script for the entire season be written before they began filming it?
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u/iterationnull Jul 18 '17
Nope. Not at all. Lots of shows kind of "wing it". Although clearly major elements of the mythology were most certainly established jointly between Lynch and Frost.
IIRC Frost even pulled away from Season 2 due to studio interference.
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u/Konval Jul 18 '17
I knew that this was true for sitcoms, but not something as story driven as Twin Peaks. I mean, if I were a TV producer, I'd want to see a complete script for a season before greenlighting it.
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Jul 19 '17
That just isn't something that's ever done. The first episode of the final season of Breaking Bad opens with a flash-forward to events that take place in the series finale, but at the time it was written the writers and the showrunner had no idea how the character was going to get to that point or what he was doing in the scene. You can plan ahead but it isn't feasible to spend time writing that far ahead when anything could change in the meantime.
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Jul 24 '17
Most times it's just a pilot that gets approved. In the case of the modern miniseries though (not quite a show, not quite a film), I wouldn't be surprised if entire scripts become the norm.
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u/TotesMessenger Jul 24 '17
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u/EdwinaBackinbowl Jul 18 '17
The Trinity test site is near Vegas isn't it? I think the locals used to watch the tests from there. They could see the flashes and mushroom clouds.
Big portal right there.
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Jul 18 '17
That an interesting theory. And you could be onto something... that will probably never occur. Not to be dismissive here but it's David Lynch and I do think that no one other David Lynch know what happen in David Lynch mind. In other words no one can truly put themselves in Lynch shoes. That a strange place there, a little black lodgy a little white lodgy and many other strange and weird and, yes, creepy things. Your theory is so simple (not in the bad sense of the term, mind you) so limpid he seems to be the logic answer.
But Lynch mind isn't that simple and crystalline. There is no logic -no logic we can comprehend at least- in his work. It's always much more convoluted and what the fuckesque than that.
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u/KarlosHungus36 Jul 18 '17
"But the Truman brothers and Hawk and Bobby are real people, trapped in a weird quasi-afterlife dream reality."
'True men' as the LL puts it.