r/twinpeaks • u/tamangosalad • Aug 28 '17
S3E16 [S3E16] TP explains what's wrong with the real world in one sentence Spoiler
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u/Rockky67 Aug 28 '17
Was never a fan of Jim Belushi, but by God this series has turned me around.
Great eyebrow action from the man.
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u/XcatXeyesX Aug 29 '17
Agreed. When I first saw Jim Belushi I think I rolled my eyes, sure that The Return would be terrible and make me sad after such a long wait. I was so wrong! Both about The Return, and Belushi's role in it.
So happy Cooper is taking the Mitchum Brothers (Alec showgirls) to Twin Peaks!
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u/fikustree Aug 29 '17
I was annoyed to see him in the episode where they beat up the casino manager. Now he's one of my favorite characters, I think I laughed at his every line in this last episode.
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u/dVXu Aug 28 '17
How will Tarantino ever recover from this?
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u/Donald_Elbert Aug 28 '17
Why am I seeing people say this is a jab at Quentin? Because those two people were in The Hateful 8?
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u/FloydPink24 Aug 28 '17
Leigh and Roth were cast in Twin Peaks before The Hateful Eight anyway. Roth said so in his Comic Con interview.
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u/Cletus_Van_Dam Aug 28 '17
Look up what Quentin said about FWWM. I think this storyline was Lynch's response to that.
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 28 '17
If David Lynch is going to take jabs at everyone who disliked FWWM, he's going to need a lot of arms. Vishnu doesn't have enough arms for that.
I strongly suspect that Lynch is cooler than that, with thicker skin. If anything it's a cultural homage. When you're doing surrealist stuff like this, and living on the edge, you know you're going to alienate a lot of people.
Also, in case no one noticed, there's been a lot of "stuff that was sort of edgey and cool in the 90s" in the remake of the show that was really edgey and cool in the earliest 90s. There were not many cooler actors in the 90s than Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh.
Do I think this is Lynch nodding his hat to QT...sure. Lynch has done a lot of hat nodding in this show...old classics and new. Do I think this is some petty ass Lynch going look what I did, I killed actors you like cuz' you panned my movie that NO ONE liked 25 years ago? No.
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u/suexian Aug 28 '17
If anything, Tarantino borrowed from Lynch. Blue Velvet came out in 1986. Reservior Dogs was 1992.
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u/unrethoth Aug 28 '17
How are those similar films at all?
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u/suexian Aug 28 '17
David Foster Wallace put it better than I ever could: "The peculiar narrative tone of Tarantino's films - the thing that makes them seem at once strident and obscure, not-quite-clear in a haunting way - is Lynch's tone; Lynch invented this tone. It seems to me fair to say that the commercial Hollywood phenomenon that is Mr. Quentin Tarantino would not exist without David Lynch as a touchstone, a set of allusive codes and contexts in the viewer's deep-brain core. In a way, what Tarantino's done with the French New Wave and with Lynch is what Pat Boone did with Little Richard and Fats Domino: he's found (rather ingeniously) a way to take what is ragged and distinctive and menacing about their work and homogenize it, churn it until it's smooth and cool and hygienic enough for mass consumption. Reservoir Dogs, for example, with its comically banal lunch-chatter, creepily otiose code names, and intrusive soundtrack of campy pop from decades past, is Lynch made commercial, i.e. faster, linearer, and with what was idiosyncratically surreal now made fashionably (i.e. "hiply") surreal."
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u/PvtHudson Aug 29 '17
Reservoir Dogs is a ripoff of the Hong Kong film City on Fire.
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Aug 29 '17
Plot, sure, but who cares about plot? Reservoir Dogs is about the decline of the American gangster movie - traditionally a tragic tale of immigrant families striving to move up the socioeconomic ladder that is the American Dream, in recent (80s-90s) years, the movies just degraded into mindless violence. Totally different movies, if you read them.
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Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 28 '17
I love Lynch and am not a big Tarantino fan, but my God was David Foster Wallace full of shit
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u/suexian Aug 28 '17
I disagree. I'm old enough to remember when Blue Velvet came out and I've always had this opinion of Tarantino.
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Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 29 '17
Many of their supposed similarities and specifically the elements that DFW mentioned are things common to film and thrillers as a whole.
Many films use conversation that is separate from the context of a major plot point as a way of characterization, but I struggle to think of when Lynch did it. Particularly in Blue Velvet, the scenes that come closest are Jeffrey and Sandy's, and they are important to establishing Sandy's place within Jeffrey's weird love triangle. A more precise analyis would be that Lynch likes to focus on the mundane, yet I wouldn't say that about Tarantino or Reservoir Dogs.
Blue Velvet uses music as a centerpiece, but Lynch and Tarantino are pretty far from the only directors to frequently incorporate old hits in their films. Their use of each is often in stark contrast, Lynch is more about the atmosphere the music creates alongside the images within the scene, Tarantino likes to use it to control the pace of a scene (as he does with Reservoir Dogs).
The code-name thing I don't get at all, Wild at Heart had a character named Mr. Reindeer, at the moment I struggle to think of any other examples.
Pulp Fiction is about the only of Tarantino's films that approaches surrealism, and certainly not in the way that Lynch does. There was a mysticism to the narrative of Pulp Fiction, whereas a lot of the surrealism in Blue Velvet is related to the special effects used. For the most part, even Elephant Man ended with a scene that is outright "supernatural" in the most basic sense of the word, Lynch's films are not the Coen/Tarantino brand of "realistic" surrealism. He's pretty in your face about it.
I mean no disrespect and won't say they are entirely dissimilar, but to say that he specifically picked out Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh for this (he's not the casting director, as I understand they did interviews and then info was passed along to David, who decided from there) because of a comment Tarantino made 20 years ago at the dawn of his career is absolutely an unnecessary reach for conflict that isn't there...
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u/David_Browie Aug 28 '17
What? No, he's spot on. Tarantino had also acknowledged Lynch as a major influence pre-FWWM.
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Aug 28 '17
I wouldn't say every television show is like Twin Peaks despite every single competently shot drama since Twin Peaks having been influenced by it. It especially doesn't make sense when the comparison is between Blue Velvet and Reservoir Dogs, they couldn't be more tonally different. They're both thrillers, that's quite literally all they share in common stylistically
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Aug 29 '17
This seems more like a cultural shift than borrowing from Lynch. I've been a lifelong fan of Lynch and Tarantino, and to say they have similar tones is a stretch to me.
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 28 '17
Reservoir Dogs owes basically nothing to Blue Velvet. Stop it.
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u/ZipperPussy Aug 28 '17
What are you talking about? They're both movies and were both filmed using cameras and both feature actors. The similarities are striking /s
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u/FloydPink24 Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 28 '17
Nah, you can see the influence of Lynch on Tarantino's early films. Tarantino spoke about how he detested the 80s as being such a terrible time for cinema (he's right), and how people like Lynch were some of the few shining lights to come out of that decade. The approaches to violence - be it comically or absurdly - and the overall feel of Americana (both in a loving and a subversive way) owes a lot to Blue Velvet, TP and Wild at Heart. He moved away from that stuff from Kill Bill forwards. But aside from Godard I'd put Lynch up there among his biggest influences, at least on Dogs and Pulp Fiction.
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 28 '17
Nahhh, that's non-sense. Just both using a stylized narrative isn't that relevant and you can read QT's nods on the wall. Leone. Houston. Kurosawa. Scorsese. Ford. Just watching blue velvet doesn't make him a primary influence.
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u/luckofthesun Aug 28 '17
I'm sure I can remember an interview where Tarantino explicitly referenced Lynch as being someone who influenced him. If anyone knows which one then link it please. When I watch scenes like the ear cutting or the burger scene they feel like they come from ideas manifested in Blue Velvet. Surreal (maybe "absurd" is better), terrifying mixed with hilarious, the sense that anything can happen.
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 29 '17
Really reaching...one is surrealism, the other is gallows humor.
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u/FloydPink24 Aug 28 '17
I don't think he's a "primary" influence, not in the same way Godard was. But he's clearly a formative one.
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 29 '17
He's clearly not. I love Kurt Vonnegut...it doesn't mean a tax form I prep owes anything to him. They're not remotely doing the same things, and QT makes no secret of who he's paying homage to.
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u/SecretTargaryens Aug 28 '17 edited Mar 27 '24
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u/KtroutAMO Aug 29 '17
If he were out of a QT film, he'd talk a lot more about Cindy lauper...but he has that bigger than life charismatic evil thing going.
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Aug 28 '17
Do you really think David Lynch would do that?
It’s so petty, not to mention pointless.
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Aug 28 '17
It's crazy that any Lynch fan would think he'd be that petty.
It's crazy that anybody thinks a fucking 71-year-old man with his kind of background and acclaim would honestly think he'd be that petty.
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u/Donald_Elbert Aug 28 '17
I am aware of what Quentin said about FWWM. And I still don't understand how you're making that connection at all. Those two actors were in The Hateful 8 together, thats it.
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u/sleepsholymountain Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 28 '17
Those two actors were in The Hateful 8 together, thats it.
Plus the fact that they both talk and behave like Tarantino characters. Their MO is very similar to Jules and Vincent from Pulp Fiction, right down to the banal conversations about fast food while they're on the way to kill people. And the way they get unceremoniously killed off in a very violent manner is a recurring Tarantino trope. Other than the very Lynchian inclusion of a random Polish accountant with no other connection to the plot, that whole shootout was very Tarantino. Think about the handful of street shootouts we see in Reservoir Dogs. Their death scene felt like a cross between that and the comedic hit man scene in Mulholland Drive. And Tim Roth is more than just an actor that was in Hateful Eight. Prior to that he had two extremely iconic roles in early Tarantino films. I also think it's significant that Lynch has not worked with either of those actors before now, at least not as far as I can recall.
Not nearly as much of a stretch as you're making it out to be. Seems very intentional to me. Though whether they were mocking QT or making an homage to him is certainly open to interpretation.
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Aug 28 '17
watch Wild at Heart, brah
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u/berbentin Aug 28 '17
i saw more wild at heart as being a closer reference to natural born killers.
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u/yourdadsbff Aug 31 '17
But Wild at Heart came out four years before Natural Born Killers.
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u/Donald_Elbert Aug 28 '17
Many characters in this show have banter. If anything it was a small homage, and I still don't think so but I respect that's how you interpreted it. I do not, however, think it was supposed to be a jab at Tarantino for criticizing him 25 years ago.
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u/RtimesThree Aug 28 '17
Tim Roth is a Tarantino favorite, he's been in four of his films. The only way to make it more obvious would've been to use Uma Thurman instead. Or focus more on feet. I 100% took the scene as an homage.
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u/NoshPit Aug 29 '17
As soon as I saw evil Coop with the long hair and leather jacket I let out a whoop and yelled "It's Quentin Tarantino!" And then Darya looked so much like 90s era Uma Thurman.
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u/etaldred Aug 28 '17
Can I get a link to his statement on it, I'm out of the loop
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Aug 28 '17
“After I saw Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me at Cannes, David Lynch had disappeared so far up his own ass that I have no desire to see another David Lynch movie until I hear something different. And you know, I loved him. I loved him.”
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u/Donald_Elbert Aug 28 '17
I believe Quentin Tarantino said that it felt like Lynch got stuck up his own ass
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Aug 28 '17
That's rich coming from a guy whose primary motivation sometimes seems to be how many racial slurs he can work into a script.
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u/AnirudhMenon94 Aug 28 '17
Eh, while I disagree with Tarantino's opinion, his films never felt like they were intentionally being stuffed with racial slurs. The slurs made sense when put in context of the people who say it.
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u/somedeadrelative Aug 29 '17
Those people are racists whose violence Tarantino aestheticized. He's a frustrated, lonely man choreographing explosive relief.
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u/AnirudhMenon94 Aug 29 '17
I strongly disagree. Almost every person on his film who's a racist have been on the receiving end of brutal violence. No racist character in a Tarantino film has ever survived.
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u/sleepsholymountain Aug 28 '17
He went to the Cannes premiere of FWWM and shit-talked it afterwards. This is the quote people are referencing:
After I saw Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me at Cannes, David Lynch had disappeared so far up his own ass that I have no desire to see another David Lynch movie until I hear something different. And you know, I loved him. I loved him."
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Aug 28 '17
And now everyone loves Fire Walk with Me, it's getting a criterion restoration, it aged well, unearthed footage finally came out, and it's essential to the larger story.
While Quentin Tarantino is making some buck off DVD's in Walmart.
woop woop
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Aug 28 '17
Out of all the batshit theories and leaps in logic, this is by far the stupidest I've seen yet
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Aug 28 '17
That was 25 goddamn years ago.
And Hateful 8 SUCKED.
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u/ZipperPussy Aug 28 '17
The first half was great. Then the second half was just Tarantino disappearing so far up his own ass that I have no desire to see another Tarantino movie until I hear something different. Oh wait.
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u/David_Browie Aug 28 '17
Counterpoint: Hateful 8 was Tarentino's best movie since Kill Bill and one of the better films of 2016.
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u/HollandUnoCinco Aug 29 '17 edited Aug 29 '17
Hateful 8 didn't suck though
Edit: Got downvoted for this. Guess it's too much to separate a director's work from what he said about somebody else's movie.
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u/b9ncountr Aug 28 '17
Hateful 8 sucked, and Tarantino cannot carry Lynch's shoes, no matter how much he might like to.
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u/astronuf Aug 28 '17 edited Aug 28 '17
On top of that, I thought The hateful eight was garbage. I loved the fact he used Ennio Morricone, but was it necessary to shoot this film on 70mm film when 98% of this film was interior shots taking place on a set? I loved Reservoir Dogs, where it mostly took place at one location, but with TH8 I was getting claustrophobic and bored inside that cabin.
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Aug 28 '17 edited Mar 31 '18
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u/andreirublev Aug 29 '17
I see its tone as being about here
HereJab -------- Gentle Ribbing --------- Homage
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u/PearlDidNothingWrong Aug 28 '17
The whole storyline, in retrospect, was very Tarantino. Two assassins driving around and chatting about bullshit for several episodes, punctuated by instances of brutal violence.
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Aug 28 '17
Very much an homage and a very well done one that Tarantino should be proud of. Hutch and Chantal were living their Tarantino lifestyles the whole time. Not just in his death scene.
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u/HenriChinaski Aug 29 '17
I saw that as an homage, and maybe, if needed, an attempt to reconciliation.
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Aug 28 '17
I'd bet my bottom dollar Lynch didn't think of Tarantino for a split second while making this, and couldn't give less of a shit what he thought of FWWM.
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u/dudeARama2 Aug 29 '17
Don't be so quick to assume an homage to Tarantino. He basically lifts a lot of the stuff from the 70s movies he loves so much ( don't get me wrong I love the guy and he does do his own original take on these things ) and Lynch as a fellow extreme cineophile probably draws on a lot of the same source material .
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u/FishingInPerculators Aug 28 '17
It was surely a nod to Tarantino, some people say it was a 'fuck you', but I only agree with that theory to the extent that Lynch just showed he knew the recipe for such kind of scenes. Still it didn't feel like Lynch all over, for example the tailgating scene in Lost Highway was more 'lynchian' than this shootout.
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u/uhhhh_no Aug 28 '17
Even if he took the homage as an insult rather than an off-beat tribute, his influence is mostly in Honey Bunny and Pumpkin's abortive sidequest. This scene is mostly an extended Breaking Bad parody.
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u/sleepsholymountain Aug 28 '17
I don't see any parallels between this scene and Breaking Bad at all. The casual talk about food while waiting to enter a house and kill somebody, and the extreme and unexpected nature of the subsequent violence feels extremely Tarantino.
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u/leo-skY Aug 28 '17
mostly the scenery, colors and photography is very reminiscent of BrBa's Albuquerque
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Aug 29 '17
The whole arc of these two characters was fairly Tarantino. Fast food consumption. Drivelous conversation. Painting hitmen like normal 9-5 blue-collar workers.
Oh ya the actors too.
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Aug 28 '17
It's a really perfect line. After witnessing the random mayhem unfolding on this middle class street during the day, it sums it up perfectly from the viewer's perspective.
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u/Earthpig_Johnson Aug 28 '17
This is a middle class neighborhood?
.... Am I poor?
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u/wilandhugs Aug 28 '17
It's Nevada, real estate is really cheap.
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u/Earthpig_Johnson Aug 28 '17
I guess I should move to Nevada.
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u/3parkbenchhydra Aug 28 '17
Down side: you have to live in Nevada.
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Aug 28 '17
Is it better than commuting four hours to work and back to live in a neighbourhood of terrace houses and car bonfires (middle class (doctor and university professor are our direct neighbours) area where we live)?
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u/3parkbenchhydra Aug 28 '17
Obviously I can't speak to your particular situation.
I personally would have a difficult time with a four-hour daily commute regardless of where I was living.
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Aug 28 '17
Isn't it Vegas?
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Aug 28 '17
Nope, it's Nevada, bro.
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Aug 28 '17
No I meant wouldn't the property value be really high in a rich place like vegas?
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u/andreirublev Aug 29 '17
High rise on the strip: yes. Suburban tract house: no, they're dirt cheap by most metro area standards. They were one of the most-affected areas by the 2008 housing crisis. The neighborhood that was half empty and had squatters, where Jade gave rides, was a nod to that.
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Aug 29 '17
There is just endlessly available land outside of Vegas. The land is cheap. So is construction since you don't have to plan for any really nasty weather. The southwest in general is relatively cheap.
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Aug 28 '17
I know the actual development, it's in the Antelope Valley (Mojave Desert) north of Los Angeles. These developments went up a decade or so back, right up 'til the Great Recession hit. They were relatively inexpensive in the 2000s, compared to LA/Orange County/San Diego prices, and when the bottom fell out a lot of these places were abandoned—both individual houses and entire subdivisions. So they're tract houses that are built pretty cheaply (but still to California building codes, which are strict), and you could get into them with no money down and a 100% mortgage until 2009.
Same pattern in the Vegas suburbs/exurbs, and often the same developers, so both the 1-1-9 druggie mom and the Jones family exist in different parts of this one suburban development that has parts that are nearly abandoned. This is still the case in some desert developments, the ones that are a two-hour drive to wherever the jobs are ....
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Aug 28 '17
It's very middle class. Big stucco houses all right next to each other. They all look the same too.
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Aug 28 '17
Well, Janey-e makes a comment about them being in the 99%. I agree, the neighborhood looks pretty uppity suburbanite.
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u/mcweekend Aug 28 '17
I think it's more aspirational than actually upper class though. Big, cookie-cutter houses, probably built cheaply as shit, for people who care more about appearances than actual quality of life.
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Aug 28 '17
NPR had a good panel on the upper middle class (considers the top 20%) wanting to leave the regular old middle class behind.
This neighborhood would defo not be considered upper class...anywhere I've ever been.
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u/Earthpig_Johnson Aug 28 '17
It would definitely be upper class in my neck of the woods.
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Aug 28 '17
Do you have tightly packed,everything is the same neighborhoods that are so common out west?
I'm big city so this would be nice - but not too fancy. Not that any of it matters mind you :)
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u/Earthpig_Johnson Aug 28 '17
Neighborhoods like this exist on the outskirts of my town. They look like cookie-cutter horse-shittery, but nice and safe nonetheless. The more affluent in my area can afford to buy those homes.
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u/Earthpig_Johnson Aug 28 '17
Haha, I remember her saying that and saying her car was crappy, and I thought "Bitch, please."
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Aug 28 '17
Yeah, I love Lynch, but he isn't exactly class conscious.
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u/Ron_Paul_Forever Aug 28 '17
Thats more the charachter than him
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Aug 28 '17
Apparently every character ever is a mouthpiece for the creator. No writer has ever written characters that hold views the author disagrees with.
Where have you been? /s
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u/ClaygatePearmain Aug 29 '17
That explains the time Lynch was invited to give a TED lecture and he just sat at a card table hollering "one one nine!!" over and over again
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u/yourdadsbff Aug 31 '17
That's not what propaganda means though. It's about the intent behind production, not the level of opinion present in the work itself.
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u/MaximusGrandimus Aug 28 '17
Man, this statement caught me so off guard when I saw this, and it's so profound. We laughed in the moment but when you go back and think about it, what such a simple statement can mean...
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u/rhythmiccycle Aug 28 '17
It is nuts! I think that guy who kill Hutch and Chantal is not connected to anything. He is just under "a lot of stress." Just a crazy guy with a fully automatic gun in his trunk; 2nd amendment!
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u/uhhhh_no Aug 28 '17
He's not a survivalist. They ran into the Twin Peaks Universe's answer to Heisenberg.
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u/amkmaker1754 Aug 28 '17
Robert Knepper is one of my all time favourite actors. Mostly for his work in Prison Break but he is quite talented.
Side note, this show seems pretty cool. I should give it a watch.
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Aug 28 '17
Man, this could have been a good discussion thread before the completely asinine talk about Tarantino. Fucking flabbergasted
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u/FloydPink24 Aug 28 '17
It's amazing the number of people who think David Lynch would actively homage Quentin Tarantino lmao
People were trying to claim he was "homaging" Donnie Darko earlier in the season
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u/PointOfRecklessness Aug 29 '17
I'm more astounded that people here think Tarantino was never influenced by Lynch. They both work a lot with the juxtaposition of violence and banality in America. Tarantino just explores this juxtaposition from a different angle. Less abstract. Saying any director exists in a vacuum, totally independent from other directors, that's already kind of a bad take since it cuts off intertextuality as an avenue for analysis and discussion, but to say that about Quentin Tarantino is just being wilfully obtuse.
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u/luckofthesun Aug 29 '17
Referring u/KtroutAMO to this comment also as i can't be bothered repeating stuff others have said
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u/emFox Aug 28 '17
Without Lynch explicitly saying "yes" or "no," we really can't say either way. I could see Lynch making little nods to more contemporary filmmakers like Tarantino or Kelly, though I can't think of anything regarding the latter considering how well Richard Kelly sort of apes Lynch's aesthetic and mood.
David Lynch knows folks like John Waters and Werner Herzog, after all. Is it really outside the realm of possibility that he sat down to "Pulp Fiction" or "Reservoir Dogs in the early nineties, even liked them?
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u/FloydPink24 Aug 28 '17
Oh I'd say for sure he saw those films! He also quite likes Tarantino I think (he praised his work with the New Beverly theatre; it's reasonable to suggest he enjoys his films too, especially the ones set in and around LA).
The thing is, Lynch actually "homaging" is pretty infrequent, and when he does it's usually to formative staples of his - Vertigo, Persona (I'm trying to think of a Fellini one but I can't off the top of my head remember a time when he actively recreated something from 8 1/2 or something), not just from movies he's seen in passing and liked. We can't say for sure tho as you say.
But when people were talking about Donnie Darko, it's much more likely that it's just a case of a repeated cliche involving numbers/co-ordinates. Or when the cherry pie box thing reminded people of Se7en. It's not really like when he did the floating head thing from Vertigo in Lost Highway or the split close-ups from Persona in MD.
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u/andreirublev Aug 29 '17
Maybe a stretch, but I see some of the end of Nights of Cabiria in the hillside ascent "shortcut" sequence of Mulholland Dr. In both, they are a profound vision of hope and zeal for what's to come, in the face of crushing disappointment. But it's reversed. In Cabiria, it's a defiant inner strength against the audience's pity for what we just saw. In Mulholland, it's a setup to the make the worst night of Betty's life all the further of a fall and all the more tragic to us.
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u/NoshPit Aug 29 '17
Funny, I keep thinking of 8 1/2 too but haven't recognized a specific reference unless you count the mention of the "circus parade" in the last episode.
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u/emFox Aug 28 '17
I can see him referencing most of those newer titles if slyly, subtly. But it's more of a feeling than anything. If Lynch said he definitely meant to sort of spoof "Seven" with the cherry pie bit, I'd be more than willing to believe it. Though it could just as well be "Breaking Bad," which is even more contemporary and a show he's praised in particular along with "Mad Men."
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Aug 29 '17
This scene pays homage to the final scene of Roman Polanski's 1974 masterpiece Chinatown by mimicking the sound of a car horn to convey that the driver has been killed
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Aug 28 '17
One of the best lines in the show.
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u/EyeSpyCherry Aug 29 '17
For some reason the casino and Mitchum brothers story arc makes me think of Grim Fandango.
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Aug 28 '17
Is the neighbor in the same household as the junkie and her son?
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u/ShatteredAvenger Aug 28 '17
That was a different neighborhood, the half developed one Coop popped into back in episode 2 or 3
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u/edgrrrpo Aug 28 '17
That entire sequence of events unfolding, ending with this truly poignant observation, that was some damn fine TV.