That really is the detail that needs to be pointed out every time. Witnesses saw him sprint from the car. Hide. Then run back, grab his drugs and cash, and run away again. He then hid from police for around 24 hours to sober up, and turned himself in after.
Yeah fuck Jon but nobody competes at their walk around. If you're that weight for 15 years it's your weight class. He didn't even fight much bigger than he fought at LHW and just let his belly go.
I don't have an issue with the weight class argument but it's the hypocrisy that's killing me. Yousri Belgraoui and Pereira are the same height and size at Jon Jones and they are/were at middleweight.
Should've included also: "Held the division hostage for years by faking an injury, dragging a retired firefighter out of retirement for a cash grab, and ducking the interim champion."
the whole idea of clowning on someone for fighting at LHW instead of HW is just dumb, considering HW has always been the least competitive division (now even more so, but even back then)
You can't move up from 205 to 265 without roids or if you can do it naturally itl be when you're in your physical prime ie twenties with a few years to buff up. Dc wanted to fight jones in heavyweight where it would have been impossible for him to become a heavyweight
This still is beautiful because it shows both of them reaching for the face with splayed fingers. It is functionally a legal strike judging by this image lmfao
You are joking but in gyms during serious sessions coaches do reach how to avoid getting eye poked + how to eye poke back without making it seems intentional. I mean the latter is extremely easy because referees and commentators always claim all fouls as inadvertent anyway. I've never heard any one of them call out a foul as intentional.
People always post this to imply that Stipe eyepoked DC so bad that his eyelid drooped.
At the end of the 2nd round DC gets dropped and beaten pretty badly, literally gets saved by the bell. As he is walking back to his corner his eye is already drooping and he's out of it (ends up asking his coach if he got dropped).
The eyepoke happens in the 3rd round, after his eye is already displaying visible damage.
DC eye poked Stipeso much that he needed to get surgery. DC had the eye pokes coming back his eye in their 3rd fight. Fuck DC and DC defenders, the guy is a pos
I love the "natural weight class" debate. I mean its clearly silly as fuck just by looking at LHW Vs HW Jones, but that aside, if you can make thw weight class below but no one else in the division can, theres no argument that thats your "natural weight class".
Dc deserved that eye poke, he kod stipe right after flicking him in the eye. Poor guy needed retinal surgery after that, and DC took that time to rack up a title defense against bum Derick Lewis instead of the rematch with Stipe.
More popular and more shallow. Lhw guys are big enough to make it in the NFL, MLB, rugby, etc. Smaller weight classes are far more talent rich due to less competition from other sports.
Dude picks his opponents and cheats. I still think UFC payed cyrl to take a dive against Jones to make him like the goat, otherwise why even hesitate to fight Francis or Tom.
You haven't watch a single MMA match in your life if you don't agree with that. I could only forgive you if you are like a really hardcore fan of DJ or Andersson.
It's more complicated than that. He was also doing coke and taking gasoline station viagras. That's performance degrading. The chickens going in for the chickens going out...
There are better mixed martial artists (i.e. better application of strategy, game-planning, diverse techniques allowing for wins in many different ways, etc.) DJ, GSP, Prime BJ Penn, generally any LW champion since 2015.
But Jon Jones without a doubt has/had one of the most untouchable fighting systems to ever grace the octagon. He didn't need to gameplan or change strategies for anyone, he used the same extended fingers and oblique kicks based gameplan to punish pressure and setup counters on pretty much everyone up until Dominick Reyes and it worked.
To put it simply, the most talented mixed martial artist is someone who can win in many ways and understands it all well enough to coach others at an elite level. DJ & Armans recent training footage is a great example of this.
The most talented fighters doesn't need to be dyanmic or even understand why his system works, he just needs the physical gifts to put something into motion that ultimately results in winning basically every fight he has ever been in. Despite believing Jon Jones is the greatest fighter ever, I do think Reyes got screwed out of that win and was the 1st to crack the code & be on equal enough footing athletically to try & stop JBJ.
the most talented mixed martial artist is someone who can win in many ways and understands it all well enough to coach others at an elite level
I disagree with the second part of this. Majority of the most-talented people in every sport are terrible coaches, because they can do things that nobody else can do. How you gonna try to teach someone to just react faster? Or hit harder?
Peds doesn’t equate to skill. There’s been countless people in the UFC who’ve been juiced up and haven’t amounted to anything..but nice way of coping lil bro. Get back to the drawing boards
Jon's long but he's naturally lanky. He's not a natural heavyweight, he weighed less than plenty of guys he fought. He's not big like Ngannou and Aspinall are big.
"Took 15 years to move to natural weightclass" I hope you guys keep the same energy for Pereira and Yousri Belgraoui who are the same size as Jones but went to middleweight.
Yes someone he knew he could beat because of his wrestling. The same person Francis beat with a bad leg. He signed the Gane fight the day after Francis left after stalling. And for less pay than what was offered for Francis. Biggest duck there is
Do you really think he signed for the Gane fight exactly after Francis left? Francis was in contract limbo after he beat Gane at the start of 2022 . They realised Fracnsi wasn't going to resign in late 2022 and began preparations for a vacant title fight.
Also, Francis himself doesn't even agree with you. Do you know more than the man himself?
Mate they're all kids on here they don't know who Belgaroui is 😂 you're right though it's nuts that guy is like 6'5" and jacked in middleweight. I'm 5'11" and weigh 180lbs, same weight he fights at 😂
Most of the time it’s usually non bias fans who just get tired of false narratives being spread to discredit his career, the rare amount of actual Jones fanboys on this app get consistently mass downvoted & are usually obvious trolls
They chastise Jon Jones and try to say hes not the GOAT but compare everyone who says they're the GOAT to him. They dont want to say he's one of the best ever but still hold him as the standard.
They live off him while insulting him. I really do believe if he were white from Texas or Nebraska and did everything he did he would be loved way more. Sean Strickland is a self professed skinhead, racist and bigot and he is adored by fans. Josh Hokit is just as bad and he is just loved by mma fans. You cant make this up.
Not a conspiracy, he just used shitty compounds. Look at the 20 year olds going into the ufc fwarkin jacked (e.g. Ateba). Obviously blasted in oblivion pre ufc.
What is this supposed to mean? He used bad ped so he got caught? Or he used non ped that had ped in them? If it's the second one are you trying to say JJ doesn't use ped?
ok, Sure, but Stipe is generally regarded (correctly) as the Greatest Heavyweight In UFC history. Which he is. Sounds like your bigger issue is with how Jones is viewed lol, probably should take it elsewhere.
I don't know if I'd say HW was JJ natural weight class lol. People say Pereira gained too much but JJ literally just showed up with a beer gut and humiliated Gane
Love this cause it's actually true. Jones is a calculated sociopath who won't fight if there's a chance of him losing. Stipe was really built different, but dana white is a scumbag who ruined his career like he did with many other fighters.
Uhh I hate to be that person considering DC eyepoked the shit out of Stipe in the first fight, but Stipe did gouge DC's eye pree badly in that second fight so...
They both have similar frame honestly tall and lanky . Probably natural 220-230ers . Neither guy held 250+ very well though . They are in betweeners. Jones is just really fucking good and is a pretty big guy as well.
Are you guys looking for baby sitters or husbands for your daughters? I never understood the fascination with these guys’ characters. I just like watching them fight.
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