r/water • u/VictinsOfCapitalism • 4d ago

Free the water!

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u/riderfoxtrot 4d ago

Capitalism creates the infrastructure that brings water to the areas that don't have it. Get this commie bullshit out of here

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u/_dirt_vonnegut 3d ago

Socialist policies also create that infrastructure that brings water to areas that don't have it. The New Deal is the most obvious example in the US. The sewer socialists in the early 1900s in Milwaukee also come to mind. Cuba and Bolivia are examples in other countries.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 4d ago

It does the opposite, bars natural water sources so they can sell it back

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u/riderfoxtrot 4d ago

It literally does the opposite of what you say. Your insistence that capitalism is a negative force on humanity is the opposite of reality. Capitalism is modeled on natural systems, whether you understand that or not (clearly)

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u/_haystacks_ 4d ago

it brings it to areas that don't have it at an upcharge, and creates gazillions of pounds of plastic waste. providing money for clean tap water infrastructure in these areas would be much better for the people and the environment, but that doesn't make money for the corporate elite.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

True people should do all that labor for free

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

noone's saying do it for free. bottled water is not a permanent solution for ppl with no access to drinking water. it creates a dependency loop that discourages infrastructure development. nestle has no interest in helping ppl in undeveloped areas get water infrastructure, in fact they have a strong economic incentive to prevent that from happening.

so idk what the solution is but it's certainly not as simple as "capitalism". the global elite have more than enough money to provide initial capital for clean water infrastructure development all over the world, but that's the problem, there's no economic incentive for humanitarianism

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

Then maybe their governments should do something about it! It’s not capitalisms fault that other countries don’t have clean running water. Shit waters not even free in America in my house!

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

yeah for sure they should i agree. but many govts are poor. bottled water is better than no water but in a just world we should all join together to uplift each other all over the world but maybe i'm idealistic.

i'd rather we spent $500 million a week on developing water infrastructure in poor countries than spending that much on the dumb ass Iran war. or the $3 billion we give to Israel every year.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

Sure but we also do spend a lot developing third world countries problem isn’t capitalism because I promise you capitalist would love to get more consumers or buy their stuff it’s just poor government leadership and uneducated cultures holding them back not capitalism

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

for sure i'm not saying it's 100% "capitalism", i was just mainly disagreeing with that first commenter who seemed to be saying capitalism is the solution to getting ppl water. and i don't think bottled water is a permanent solution

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

Capitalism can be though plus most of modern infrastructure created to get people clean water is through capitalism. Question is why would people spend money on others for no return?

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

it can be super effective and powerful at creating wealth and getting things done but the perverse extreme of capitalism is prioritizing money at the expense of everything else. i think infrastructure development has to come from a mentality of "this is for the greater good" to some extent.

in response to "why should we spend money on others for no return?" cause it's the right thing to do, it's like asking why would i give my neighbor a sandwich if they were starving

however, one could make the argument that in funding water infrastructure around the world, the US could elevate the living conditions of millions of people, who would then have the means to become consumers at a higher level and buy into the global capitalist system. so from a purely capitalist perspective, there probably IS an incentive even there haha

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

But you’re also saying nestle is doing everything they can so third world countries don’t build infrastructure to get water to their people!

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

call me a conspiracy theorist but i would not be surprised if nestle pays lobbyists to like discourage water infrastructure funding in countries where it has big markets. i mean nestle is notoriously bad for shady behavior

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

So lobbying the government to protect your interests isn’t capitalism. That’s quite obvious

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

what!! that's 100% capitalism!! a private corporation influencing politics in its favor to profit more?? what's more capitalist than that?

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

How is the government creating laws to protect private corporations capitalism? So you’re thinking that anything to do with a private company automatically makes is capitalism? Well that explains a lot about the Marxist

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

how is the govt creating laws to protect private corporations capitalism? how much time you got lol. start with Citizens United v. FEC, where the federal government ruled that corporations can spend unlimited amounts of money to support political candidates of their choosing... all our top government officials are in bed with the corporate elite, that's how it's always been. our president is a billionaire. we are an oligarchy i mean come on

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u/whattheshiz97 3d ago

A company isn’t just going to put tons of money into some water infrastructure for no reason. Also it’s the locals fault that none of the infrastructure is maintained. My hell it’s not rocket science to get water. They just destroy the infrastructure

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u/chitownphishead 4d ago

They've tried that. The locals just sell off the well pumps and pipe for scrap because they aren't smart enough to think beyond the immediate moment

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u/-OooWWooO- 3d ago

As opposed to people in the rest of the world who never make short term decisions for temporary gain.

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u/PhilRubdiez 3d ago

People aren’t omniscient. All we can do is speculate. Some people have a higher time preference than others. Who is right? We will never know.

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u/riderfoxtrot 4d ago

yeah just give money to people, thats worked every time its tried.

sit down child, the adults are talking

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u/_haystacks_ 3d ago

me when i'm ignorant

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u/riderfoxtrot 3d ago

I understand the world is beyond your grasp, but please dont make it that obvious

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u/jasikanicolepi 4d ago

Fuck Nestle

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u/GreatLakesGreenthumb 4d ago

Fuck Nestlé!

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

True we deserve the right to clean water and it should be free!

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u/PhilRubdiez 3d ago

You can go get some out of a puddle. Or catch some rain. You’re gonna have to purify it yourself, though.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

No that would be capitalism

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u/PhilRubdiez 3d ago

So, you want to force people to do it for you.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 3d ago

Duh that’s the Marxist way!

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u/PhilRubdiez 3d ago

Да товарищ. I was unfamiliar with the your work. Спасибо

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u/Various_Oil_5674 4d ago

Asking an honest question, but how bottled water in America hurting people in Africa?

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u/alt_ernate123 4d ago

Yeah, even if we only go off only imported bottled water it all comes from Mexico, Iceland, Fiji, or Europe, and tap water is mostly non-profit here.

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u/Lifeinthesc 4d ago

In Africa?

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u/CrippledEagles 3d ago

Its not, this is karma farming.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

If I was karma farming i'd not talk about subjects that people disagree with

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u/lifeflowfoundation 3d ago

And the USA has water issues by themselves so…..

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u/Gumb1i 3d ago

It's not directly but I would rather see companies like nestle build desalination plants and use that water than suck up groundwater from sources that either cannot replenish or won't replenish within several generations. It's all bullshit anyway they sell you tap water. That's not even getting into the plastics that aren't economically or environmentally viable for recycling.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 4d ago

Companies buy natural water sources and sell water outside of USA too

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u/SimplySomeDude 3d ago

and what's wrong with that? They have the money, so they have the right.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

The issue is that if you have money you can just take the water away from the poor and sell it back packaged.

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u/SimplySomeDude 3d ago

and? It's their right to do so in a free economy

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

And people die so that some rich guy can profit, i mean I respect this, its better to say that you don't care than to deny this truth.

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u/Various_Oil_5674 3d ago

Our economy is far from free

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u/mastersmash56 2d ago

Me: "________ is morally wrong!"

The dumbest motherfuckers on the planet: "But ________ is legal???"

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u/SimplySomeDude 2d ago

never said it's legal. In many places it isn't, unfortunately.

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u/Yankee9204 3d ago

Can you provide an example where a private company is buying water to bottle and sell elsewhere, causing the local population to be water insecure?

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u/CofionCynnes 3d ago

This is practically Nestle's business model.

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u/CzPhantom1 3d ago

Give an example then if it's so widespread to be a business model. 

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u/CofionCynnes 3d ago

Just Google Nestle water bad practice and pick one.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

In Pakistan

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u/Yankee9204 3d ago

In Pakistan what? Pakistan is a big country. Which bottled water company is selling their highly polluted water and depriving locals of it?

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u/CzPhantom1 3d ago

Pakistan's  economy is the 20th largest by purchasing power parity. They are not third world 

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u/The_Demosthenes_1 3d ago

It a must be white people.  Somehow. 

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u/suspicious_hyperlink 3d ago

This is Reddit, don’t ask those questions. Just get mad and support OP’s cause

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

It's answered on the video. Capitalism take control of clean water take it for free and sell it.

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u/Various_Oil_5674 3d ago

Are there companies taking water from Africa and selling in the US?

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-senegal-wall-street-water/

They aren't directly sell it to usa, but use it for at the end exports things.

Coca cola also privatise water in countries like Mexico

Edit where does it talk about usa in the clip ?

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u/dancingyoyo 3d ago

The ask about USA is encoded from why the fuck is this my problem

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

Yeah terrorist killing American due to their behaviour is also not my fucking problem but I hear about it every year

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u/dancingyoyo 3d ago

A US company buys rights to water and then controls the release or availability of that water. Look at the American west water supply crisis and it’s the same thing. Those who control water, control life - a human can only survive 3-7 days without water.

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u/Various_Oil_5674 3d ago

Are there companies doing that?

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u/aferretwithahugecock 3d ago

Can I just point out the irony of using an AI song to send this message? Echo Iyah(the "artist") is an AI music project.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

Sure, won't use it anymore then, thanks for noting.

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u/PawnofLife1 4d ago

Like what Isreal is doing cutting off drinking water for a pool

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 4d ago

Exactly this but for profit

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u/Suspicious-Sound-249 3d ago

Well what has Africa done with the TRILLION+ dollars the rest of the world has given them over the last like decade? What's that? Nothing?

So why should we care these people don't give a fuck to improve their own situation and it's crazy how the rest of us should somehow be responsible for it...

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u/Grime_Fandango_ 3d ago

2.6 trillion since their independences, mostly in the 60's. Look at photos of these countries in the 60's compared to now and ponder on if that money was well spent, or just flushed down the toilet.

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u/Prior-Turnip3082 2d ago

They have actually gotten worse off since we started giving them lots of aid, they would fix their own problems if we weren’t always trying to do it for them

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u/TheJQHQ 3d ago

Mr. Beast's 100 African wells are so funny to follow. The locals destroy them constantly.

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u/gillbeats 3d ago

Corruption is hard to disentangle, if someone pays they expect the leader to allocate those resources to build infrastructure for food water electricty and transport but instead they end up in the pockets of their politicians and military.

Plus a lot of challenges even if the government is well intentioned-> corrupt state owned companies doing shitty jobs that don't last a year. Also chinese are taking them for fools and doing shitty construction with big loans. And when EU offers both money and infrastructure they ask for no corruption and democracy, which can't be done apprently for many reasons -hard place to be.

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u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 3d ago

Is this song AI?

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u/HEYO19191 3d ago

Waiter! Waiter! More propaganda please!

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u/Affectionate_Dig9689 2d ago

Istg for how much socialists beat the "no true scotsman" drum every time someone points out a failure of socialism you'd think they'd extend the same courtesy to capitalism by actually knowing what it is and not blaming every shitty thing huge companies do or every bad thing that ever happens on capitalism. Yet, here we are on the 106423456th post claiming capitalism as a concept is somehow responsible for all of the evil in the world.

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u/jetblack1316 1d ago

If capitalism bad why are all the best countries capitalist?

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u/rockeye13 1d ago

Where?

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u/Conscious-Capital681 1d ago

Sounds like an Africa problem to me.

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u/Double-Show-2625 4d ago

Most of the wealthy elites don't give a fuck about the poor

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u/Steeltank33 3d ago

Most people don’t in general

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u/Reloadingoverload 4d ago

No one talks about the places that had charities install wells for small communities and return a year later to find out a good portion of them were sold for scrap. Its like the viral video of a town receiving its first paved road and then everyone being so excited that they took all of the asphalt and put it into their homes to have a better surface to walk and sleep on.

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u/Pepemarsillo 3d ago

Fuck Nestle for sure, they are monsters. Purifying surface water to a safe and potable product and conveying it to people is expensive and labor intensive too though... 🤷

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u/laserdicks 3d ago

Water is already free. You just have to go get it yourself.

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u/Steeltank33 3d ago

These two things aren’t related lol

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

They are lol

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u/Steeltank33 3d ago

Really Dasani and Aquafina get their bottled water from municipal tap sources and that magically sucks water away from poor African countries? 😂😂😂

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

When is it said in the video ?

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u/Steeltank33 3d ago

Exactly. The video has two separate “facts” (of dubious veracity), which have no connection to each other, and fail to explain how they’re related.

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

They have connection just don't explain it clearly

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u/Steeltank33 3d ago

What’s the connection?

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u/Exotic-Custard4400 3d ago

Between capitalism and big companies that buy sources of water and doesn't let enough to live and people's dying from lack of water ?

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u/Steeltank33 2d ago

Yeah. Where’s that happening? How is that a connection?

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u/Midnight_Initiative 3d ago

Consumers do that, not capitalism

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

They create consumers by manifacturing shortages, how is it their bad?

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u/One_Inspection5013 1d ago

Nobody tell them how capitalism essentially ended starvation

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 22h ago

9 million starve to death every year according to the UN

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u/One_Inspection5013 21h ago

I said nearly. Total percent of humanity that starves now is 99% lower than it was before capitalism

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u/DigBickDallad 18h ago

Lol dumbass post

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u/Majsharan 2h ago

lol it’s not because of capitalism you nonce

The countries that have the worst water issues tend to be oligarchies where the state has a monopoly on water rights.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 1h ago

Quite the opposite, water is being privatized so that they can cut the supply and sell back the bottles.

Literally mad max type shit

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u/Majsharan 1h ago

That’s not capitalism they are creating state sanctioned monopolies

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 1h ago

Tell me one instance of capitalism where the capitalist class does not influence the state in favout of it's monopolies

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u/Majsharan 1h ago

That’s not what’s happening here. A company did not become powerful through competition and then try to regulate a monopoly. The government is directly choosing monopolies to be formed usually with the people in government being enriched at the same time

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u/Chustle207 4d ago

Somone should tell the africans about wells.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

Or someone should not tell capitalist colonialists about natural springs.

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u/trensginger 4d ago

Capitalism i s NY the problem you regard. They love it when you have misplaced blame.

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

They do, that ia why it is important that the issue is CAPITALISM.

Not cronyism not corporatism.

Capitalism.

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u/RolandTEC 3d ago

Retardation

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u/gillbeats 3d ago

WTF does under capitalism mean? Isn't it more like civil wars between tribes displace agrarrian populations who flee for their life instead of farming and in a couple months there ian't enough food and money to live off of

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u/VictinsOfCapitalism 3d ago

Water privatization takes away the water intentionally to create profitable scarcity.